Account: bishop says "You can't be an authentic Catholic and pro-abortion." --As pro-abortion "Catholic" in U.S. takes the public eye

[VanitasVanitatum]

It would seem so.

That’s hardly a restriction and it only applies to one state, I don’t see how that could qualify as major.

 

[vz71]

, I don’t see how…

You are welcome to an opinion.
You are not welcome to discount the facts.

Facts say that these justices have made a difference.

 

[jeannetherese]

Another article on the way legislation is shaping the culture and building a culture of life.

What is the future of pro-life legislation?

 

[VanitasVanitatum]

You are welcome to an opinion.
You are not welcome to discount the facts.

Facts say that these justices have made a difference.

I’m not disputing facts since I said they haven’t made major changes and its true.

 

[vz71]

I said they haven’t made major changes and its true.

No, that is an opinion.

 

[VanitasVanitatum]

No, that is an opinion.

The facts don’t contradict it so at best nothing can be said.

 

[jeannetherese]

The facts don’t contradict it so at best nothing can be said.

Here are some facts that you might have missed, from Planned Parenthood!

2016​

2016
18 states enact 50 new abortion restrictions

Oct. 19, 2016
Trump promises to nominate judges who would “automatically” overturn Roe v. Wade

Aug. 22, 2016
Planned Parenthood announces the closure of its Appleton, Wis., health center
This is the sixth health center to close in Wisconsin since Gov. Scott Walker “defunded” Planned Parenthood in 2011. None of the other five were facilities that provided abortions.

2017​

Anti-abortion legislative efforts soar in the states
Nineteen states adopt 63 new restrictions on abortion rights and access — the largest number of abortion restrictions enacted in a calendar year since 2013.

June 30, 2017
Anti-abortion politicians force the closure of four Iowa Planned Parenthood health centers
The closures — which follow anti-abortion Gov. Kim Reynolds’s signature of a “defunding” measure into law, over vehement opposition by thousands of Iowans — leave nearly 15,000 Iowans without access to their trusted health care provider.

January 31, 2017
Trump nominates conservative judge Neil Gorsuch to the U.S. Supreme Court
… to fill the seat held open by anti-abortion Senate members’ unprecedented obstruction following Justice Antonin Scalia’s death. The Senate moves quickly to confirm Gorsuch — placing him on the U.S. Supreme Court by April.

Jan. 23, 2017
President Trump reinstates and expands the global gag rule
… almost immediately after taking office — severely restricting access to reproductive health care abroad, and endangering the health of millions of women and girls in developing countries.

Timeline of Attacks on Abortion

 

[jeannetherese]

I’m adding the Planned Parenthood fusses about pro life legislation for 2018 and some 2019 also. We are making inroads. It takes a long time for cases to make it to the Supreme Court but we have a decision this summer to look forward to.
Feb. 22, 2019
The Trump-Pence administration issues a Title X gag rule
… in an attempt to ban providers in the Title X program from telling millions of patients how they can safely and legally access abortion — and “defund” Planned Parenthood health centers by making it impossible for Title X patients to obtain birth control there.

Feb. 4, 2019
U.S. Supreme Court stops Louisiana TRAP law from taking effect – for now
In a 5-to-4 split, the justices vote to enjoin the law and review the case. Justice Kavanaugh votes to let the law take effect, writing that abortion providers should have sought admitting privileges before their appeal — even though the TRAP law, if efforts to obtain admitting privileges failed, would leave the entire state with only one abortion-providing clinician at one clinic.

2018​

2018
15 states enact 23 new abortion restrictions
Among the new restrictions: a 15-week abortion ban in Mississippi, an even more radical 6-week ban in Iowa, and a host of attacks on patients’ access to care and information in other states.

Oct. 6, 2018
Senate confirms Brett Kavanaugh to a lifetime seat on the U.S. Supreme Court
Anti-abortion senators plowed ahead with Kavanaugh’s confirmation process despite mass outrage over credible allegations of sexual assault. Kavanaugh’s appointment solidifies an anti-abortion majority on the Supreme Court — supplanting a key vote that affirmed the right to access abortion with a justice known for voting to undermine Roe.

Sept. 26, 2018
Federal appeals court upholds a Louisiana TRAP law
In a sharp apparent departure from the U.S. Supreme Court’s 2016 decision in Whole Woman’s v. Hellerstedt, appeals judges hold that forcing Louisiana abortion providers to obtain hospital admitting privileges would not impose an undue burden on abortion access — even though the law, if enforced, could wipe out access to abortion in the state except at one New Orleans health center.

 

[jeannetherese]

And here’s the rest of 2019 and 2020 thus far with that Supreme Court decision to come!

2020​

Spring 2020

Some anti-abortion politicians seized on the COVID-19 pandemic to try to impose abortion bans. See the timeline of the new coronavirus-based abortion bans and our fight against them.

2019​

May 15, 2019
Alabama enacts a near-total ban on abortion
The Alabama legislation — the most extreme signed into law in any state since Roe v. Wade in 1973 — includes no exceptions for rape or incest. Anti-abortion politicians in the state say they hope legal challenges to the law reach the Supreme Court, where anti-abortion justices can undermine or overturn Roe

May 7, 2019
Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp signs 6-week abortion ban into law
… making the state the fourth in 2019 to enact an unprecedented — and unconstitutional — ban on abortion at a point in pregnancy before most people even know they’re pregnant. (Missouri will enact a similar ban the following week).

May 1, 2019
States have adopted 37 new restrictions on abortion rights and access
… since the beginning of 2019.

Winter and Spring 2019
Trump spews inflammatory lies about abortion later in pregnancy
In press remarks and at rallies, Trump echoes rhetoric used by a growing number of anti-abortion politicians — manufacturing outrage against safe, legal abortion by accusing pro-reproductive health politicians of supporting infanticide.

Timeline of Attacks on Abortion

 

[upant]

I dont vote for the party I vote for the person

Biden is the only choice.

Biden supports the DNC platform. He is the party candidate.

a vote for a democrat supports more than just abortion, don’t limit it.

by voting for a Democrat, you support the entire LGBT agenda, euthanasia, embryonic
stem cell research, transgenderism, identity politics, the destruction of the family, contraception, socialism, breaking the seal of the confession, federal funds to pay for abortions, forced abortions in Catholic hospitals, the selection of liberal judges who will uphold these policies, etc

which of these policies agree with church teaching?

Nothing is going to be done by either party at the national level to change abortion law

this is incorrect, the Dems want the federal government to pay for abortion. this will increase abortions. the Dems will eliminate the Mexico City Policy and start supporting abortion around the world, how many kids will this kill?

“I strongly oppose the limitations on the ability for the United States to contribute to organizations in these countries that, in fact, provide women’s health alternatives for choice,” Biden said.

“We should end that limitation,” he added. “It’s called the Mexico City Rule. We should end that.” 2-28-20

Trump would adopt whatever abortion position got him more votes.

so does Biden, as he did with the Hyde Amendment, he switched his opinion due to liberal backlash: votes

but to stabilize someone’s life and then push them into training, work or entering back into society…I’m very much in favor of that.

the democrats do not do this, their welfare policy has destroyed the family unit. there aren’t fathers to teach the kids to fish anymore.

 

[upant]

Check out Democrats for Life… great organization that is trying to change the Democratic Party from the inside… pro life for the whole life

the DNC has said there is no room for pro-life candidates and 2 of the last 3 were just beat in primaries. you have 1 left.

On Friday, Perez said that there was no place for pro-life politicians in the party. “Every Democrat, like every American, should support a woman’s right to make her own choices about her body and her health,” he said. “This is not negotiable and should not chance city by city or state by state.” 4-27-17

what did Pete Buttigieg tell voter Kristen Day, who asked “So, do you want the support of pro-life Democrats, pro-life Democratic voters?

“And again, the best I can offer is we may disagree on that very important issue, and, hopefully, we’ll be able to partner on other issues.”

in other words, there is no room for you.

and later

“Doubling down on abortion extremism, last night Mayor Buttigieg could not identify a single instance where he would limit abortion, or even acknowledge room for debate on the issue within the Democratic Party. This is a mistake,” Susan B. Anthony List President Marjorie Dannenfelser said in a statement made available to the Washington Examiner.

 

[pnewton]

Just for balance, I would suggest ignoring those that speak for the Church’s voice on voting and will link again what the Church has actually said.

http://www.usccb.org/issues-and-act...onsciences-for-faithful-citizenship-title.cfm

In the United States, we do not have platforms or issues on the ballot, but people. That is how we vote.

 

[jeannetherese]

n the United States, we do not have platforms or issues on the ballot, but people. That is how we vote.

However, those people do represent platforms. they become candidates by joining and proving themselves in a party which has adopted those platforms. When you vote for the person, you are likely to get that party platform package deal.

 

[pnewton]

When you vote for the person, you are likely to get that party platform package deal.

I understand that likelihood. It is one factor I consider, but not the only one. Not even the top one. But more to the point, the Catholic Church sets the guidelines for considerations. The (edited) syllogism to vote for this person or that, simply aren’t the voice of the Catholic Church, but of only one Catholic, like my opinion is. Note

 

[jeannetherese]

May God bless all who visit our thread.
Amen.

 

[pnewton]

May God bless all who visit our thread.
Amen.

Amen

edited - I see how you thought I was referring to your. I deleted it. You have my apology. I did not catch that it would be seen as a reply to you.

Okay, now that I made my goof for the year, I’m good.

 

[Ignatius]

DNC has said “There is no room in the Democrat Party for pro-lifers”. So, you can either be a Democrat or a Catholic; it’s one or the other.

 

[pnewton]

So, you can either be a Democrat or a Catholic; it’s one or the other.

Or you could not trust everything every Democrat says.

At this point, personally, I cannot support either party.

 

[Dobby]

The Presidential election is important. I must vote. I cannot vote for Trump. It’s pretty obvious that << MY >> only choice is Biden. I will be voting for him.

 

[JoeFreedom]

Or you could not trust everything every Democrat says.

I think you said more than you thought you said all in one statement.