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mdgspencer
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This shows the spiritual state of many people.
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Account: College Student Tells of Her Disbelief, in Disturbing Interview (That Is, Disturbing to Christians)
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This shows the spiritual state of many people.
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Dan123
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Is it really “disturbing”? It’s a young woman unsure of her faith, taking a lot of the moral teachings she received as a child and reconciling them with her own lived experiences, hoping she’s able to do enough good to make up for bad things she’s done that she regrets.
I get that she isn’t living a proper Catholic life, but she doesn’t describe herself as Catholic, only as having grown up in a Catholic family. That there are non-Catholics in the world doesn’t seem very newsworthy, calling the interview disturbing seems to suggest judgement instead of seeing it as an opportunity to hear why some fall away from the church.
I get that she isn’t living a proper Catholic life, but she doesn’t describe herself as Catholic, only as having grown up in a Catholic family. That there are non-Catholics in the world doesn’t seem very newsworthy, calling the interview disturbing seems to suggest judgement instead of seeing it as an opportunity to hear why some fall away from the church.
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1Lord1Faith
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Why does someone need to study auto body paint. There actually are some things that shouldn’t require any schooling. Many blue collar jobs would fall into that category. In fact, many white collar jobs would also fall into that category.
Most employers would like nothing more than for their greenest employees to forget everything they learned in college about their career of choice.
The whole point of hiring a trade school grad or college grad is so the employer has some assurance that the person they are about to hire isn’t a complete loser. If a new employee is straight out of college the employer has the additional assurance that the person needs to work in order to pay off a large debt. That is pretty much the only reason people need to go to college.
Most employers would like nothing more than for their greenest employees to forget everything they learned in college about their career of choice.
The whole point of hiring a trade school grad or college grad is so the employer has some assurance that the person they are about to hire isn’t a complete loser. If a new employee is straight out of college the employer has the additional assurance that the person needs to work in order to pay off a large debt. That is pretty much the only reason people need to go to college.
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RolandThompsonGunner
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Yeah, it doesn’t really strike me as shocking. It’s someone who was raised Catholic and retains some Catholic identity but is essentially agnostic. There are millions of these people. It’s hardly news.
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Dan123
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It’s a 2 year degree from a school offering several such courses and likely offers benefits like job placement and so on. It’s 25 units and it appears to be $46 per semester unit. This is not a $50,000 education it’s trade training. Don’t dump on people trying to better themselves, job competition is rough and no employers aren’t going to hire someone with zero experience over someone with any experience.
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RobertAdams
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she like totally sees through all the religious stuff man
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1Lord1Faith
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I’m not. I’m pointing out the absurdity of a jobs environment/market in which someone feels, whether rightly or wrongly but that’s not the point, that they need to pay for what basically amounts to on the job training. People used to get paid to train for a job. Now they have to pay. That’s an absurd trend.
I’m not onboard for everyone having to pay to play just to get a chance at a job, even more so for an auto body shop.
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HerCrazierHalf
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A side effect of the trend towards standardization. The way acme inc builds widgets is nearly identical to ACE Inc. I think part of it is liability. Training presumably includes safety training wrt hazmat and physical hazards.
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goout
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She’s another confused kid that has obviously bought into relativism. That’s what’s striking: the “whatever-ism”.
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TC3033
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You honestly sound like someone who knows nothing about Auto Body. It’s not a job that you can just roll into and get OJT. Usually an auto-body cert takes less than 2 years (I think when I got my AAS I think the auto body program was 12-15 months (depending if you took the summer off).
There are a lot of tools and techniques to learn…just on the body side of it, the paint side is becoming more and more of a science. It isn’t your dad’s time where you just rolled in and it was “red”.
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1Lord1Faith
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You’re right I don’t know anything about body work. But having skills in a particular industry used to be something that was learned on the job, and in some fields it’s still that way even though that particular field may require years of experience.
If an employer has a choice to hire someone at starting wage who has already paid to have some kind of training then I’m sure that person would have a better shot at getting a job than the person who has no training. But my point is that it’s not necessary, and that the whole trend of paying for your own training doesn’t benefit anyone but the employer.
If an employer has a choice to hire someone at starting wage who has already paid to have some kind of training then I’m sure that person would have a better shot at getting a job than the person who has no training. But my point is that it’s not necessary, and that the whole trend of paying for your own training doesn’t benefit anyone but the employer.
That is the employer’s prerogative. There is nothing so inherently complex about any trade that on the job training cannot be used to train people.
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Tis_Bearself
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Please provide examples of these jobs.
Virtually every trade wants you to come in with some basic training, even if you will learn a lot on the job as well.
Employers are not going to take an employee with zero skills and train them from the absolute ground up unless the person is their son, daughter, nephew or niece. Also a lot of trades need you to get some kind of certification that shows you took X units of training.
In any event, as someone else said, the young woman is trying to better herself. She should be applauded rather than get a barrage of criticism on here.
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1Lord1Faith
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It’s any trade. Like I said, it’s the employer’s prerogative who they want to hire. But usually the smaller the business is the better shot someone with less or no training will have in getting a job.
I’m sure that a car dealership that takes up 5 acres of city land and has an enormous auto body shop is going to require some training and some certifications from its tradesmen. This isn’t necessarily the norm, it’s just a trend that is found in the larger businesses.
Again, I’m not providing a barrage of criticism of anyone who goes through trade school. I am criticizing the job market trend of having to go to school for a blue collar job.
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catholiclala
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@1Lord1Faith The bigger point (besides the woman’s education choice kind of being off-topic from the thread) is the whole market is different. As technology advances a “blue-collar job” isn’t as simple anymore because the production technology and consumer demands have gotten more sophisticated. It doesn’t matter what an employer “should” be doing if the industry isn’t capable to do it and make a profit while maintaining efficiency. Also, formal education does benefit more than the employer, it teaches discipline and critical thinking which can only enhance on the job experience.
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Tis_Bearself
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I would gently suggest you have not had much exposure to trades in USA in the last few decades.
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F_Marturana
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Some community colleges have practical classes, like culinary studies, auto body repair etc. They are certificate programs, not degree programs.
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Annie
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The problem is the small business doesn’t want to put a lot of resources in training someone just to have that person leave for a higher-paying job once they are trained and experienced.
Yes, it used to be that you did not need a degree or certificate in something to get a job doing it. But it also used to be that people worked for 40 years for one employer, and the employer felt a responsibility to keep their employees.
No more; hence, trade schools.
(All this in addition to the fact that things have gotten more complex. I have watched this happen with auto repair.)
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oldgraymare2
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You’re right.1Lord1Faith:
The problem is the small business doesn’t want to put a lot of resources in training someone just to have that person leave for a higher-paying job once they are trained and experienced.
Yes, it used to be that you did not need a degree or certificate in something to get a job doing it. But it also used to be that people worked for 40 years for one employer, and the employer felt a responsibility to keep their employees.
No more; hence, trade schools.
(All this in addition to the fact that things have gotten more complex. I have watched this happen with auto repair.)
Everything has become more technical, and more computerized, too.
My Dad worked for his Step-Dad’s family business for many years.
It was sold, and my Dad was kept on with the new owner.
My Dad had trouble adapting to the computerized system that the new owner had implemented for orders and for inventory, etc.
My Dad didn’t know that much about using a computer, and he struggled through having to learn that system.
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Gorgias
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It’s called “Moralistic Therapeutic Deism”, and it’s a pretty common ‘belief system’ these days.
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