Accountablitly of possesed

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My Aunt and I were talking not all that long ago and we got onto the topic of Judas and started to wonder how much accoutablility does a person who is possesed have for his/her actions while possesed? Would be Mortal veniel or not a sin at all? What does the church say?
 
Montie Claunch:
My Aunt and I were talking not all that long ago and we got onto the topic of Judas and started to wonder how much accoutablility does a person who is possesed have for his/her actions while possesed? Would be Mortal veniel or not a sin at all? What does the church say?
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Judas made the plans to kill Christ even before he was possessed so he was culpable for the sin of betrayal. Futhermore, a person cannot become possessed without willing it so, Judas is also cupable for that.
 
Montie Claunch:
My Aunt and I were talking not all that long ago and we got onto the topic of Judas and started to wonder how much accoutablility does a person who is possesed have for his/her actions while possesed? Would be Mortal veniel or not a sin at all? What does the church say?
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It is my understanding that some of the sins that are committed after the possession may be mitigated because not all the tests for mortal sin are met (i.e deliberate consent). However, because the person will be held responsible for the sins that allowed the Devil to overtake the Holy Spirit in their soul (thus why sin against the Holy Spirit is called the unforgivable sin) and such sins are by definition mortal. A person who dies with an unforgiven and absolved mortal sin is condemned to death.
 
Think of possession as Dracula outside yoru window - he can’t come in unless you invite him. This is the mortal sin that seperates the possessed from heaven.
 
From what I understand, possession typically occurs through some action on the part of the possessed, but that there are incident’s that occur through no fault of the person in question, but that it is God’s will. I will try to come back with a source for this.
 
From what I understand, possession typically occurs through some action on the part of the individual, but that there are incident’s that occur through no fault of the person, but that it is God’s will. I will try to come back with a source for this.
 
Here is one written by The Very Rev. Dominic Scymanski, O.M.C., D.D., Co-Founder of Marytown in his writings The Truth About the Devil.

“PERMISSION BY GOD. For the greater glory of God, and for His triumph over His enemies, God sometimes permits that the devil take possession of perfectly innocent people. These are His “Victim Souls,” who offer themselves to God to suffer every possible torture in order that sinners may be saved. In such cases there is no question of guilt, or just retribution for faults committed; but such possession is permitted in order that the powers of Hell be weakened and glory be given to God.”

I’ll see if I can find some more.

God bless!
 
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Here is one written by The Very Rev. Dominic Scymanski, O.M.C., D.D., Co-Founder of Marytown in his writings The Truth About the Devil.

“PERMISSION BY GOD. For the greater glory of God, and for His triumph over His enemies, God sometimes permits that the devil take possession of perfectly innocent people. These are His “Victim Souls,” who offer themselves to God to suffer every possible torture in order that sinners may be saved. In such cases there is no question of guilt, or just retribution for faults committed; but such possession is permitted in order that the powers of Hell be weakened and glory be given to God.”

I’ll see if I can find some more.

God bless!
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This is the question that is in the mind of theologians because of the issues brought about by the case concerning Emily Rose. This is not an issue that the Church has made any official ruling on nor is there historical presidence in demonology concerning this possibility.
 
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This is the question that is in the mind of theologians because of the issues brought about by the case concerning Emily Rose. This is not an issue that the Church has made any official ruling on nor is there historical presidence in demonology concerning this possibility.
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I actually ran across this teaching (not the particular quote) quite a few years ago while researching the Cure D’ars. I am not arguing whether the Church has made an official position on it, but it certainly has been a teaching of the Church before the case of Emily Rose.

God bless!
 
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Ana:
I actually ran across this teaching (not the particular quote) quite a few years ago while researching the Cure D’ars. I am not arguing whether the Church has made an official position on it, but it certainly has been a teaching of the Church before the case of Emily Rose.

God bless!
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Thank you for letting me know that there is indeed something beyond the Emily Rose case. It is something to research a bit more - but one can say that it is possible as God is only bound to what He Himself has bound Himself to in the economy of salvation.

Technically speaking all possessions happen due to an action of God’s will. However, it is what is called His “Permissive Will.” However, what we are talking about is God’s use of His “Active Will” to cause a person to become possessed. It is an interesting point that requires some thought.
 
I have also read of instances concerning exorcisms, that in some cases the devil WANTS to leave, but that God will not permit it. The devil is stuck unwillingly causing merit for the soul he intended to damage.

Also, I have encountered in Church teaching that another way for possession to occur is through spells and curses. From what I understand these possibilities are covered in the prayers of the Rite of Exorcism. And again in this situation it is possible for the victim to become possessed through no fault of his/her own. Marie des Vallees, (1590-1656) is one such example. Abbe Saudreau writes if she “had not had the courage to undergo this ordeal, which became a long and terrible martyrdom, she would not have attained the pitch of heroism which earned her the title of Saint of Coutances.”

I think there are specific cases you could look to if you’d like to research it further. Fr. Surin in the 1700’s. The case of Antoine Gay.

Also the case of Nicole Aubrey of Vervins (1565), was a case of an innocent possessed. Supposedly, a considerable number of Calvinists were converted as a result of her suffering.

Interesting, isn’t it? I had always thought possession could only occur if the person somehow “did something.”

God bless!
 
This is a very interesting subject and I do remember the issue with curses magic etc, but it did not come to mind. I am always amazed with the way in which God makes His glory manifest. On one end it makes perfect sense but on the other it presents a challenge to the believer.
 
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This is a very interesting subject and I do remember the issue with curses magic etc, but it did not come to mind. I am always amazed with the way in which God makes His glory manifest. On one end it makes perfect sense but on the other it presents a challenge to the believer.
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His way of keeping us on our toes, I guess! 😃
 
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