Achbp O"Brien On Ordinations

[Orionthehunter]

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Please see post #47.

I read your post and it is one view of the situation. I posit another as I’m not totally comfortable relying on theory that begins has at its roots “conventional psychiatric” theories.

1. “Conventional wisdom” comes from “secular” psychiatry. This is the same sources who have “intellectualized” and “normalized” so many sins that we now live in an age of relativism. Now that homosexuality is a disorder, is gluttony (also one of the 7 deadly sins) next? If the lawsuits against McDonalds are an indication, it may be.
2. In my humble opinion, to the secularists whose agenda is to tear down faith and religion, making the sexual abuse of minors scandal about homosexuality and not a parallel to rape serves their agenda. I see it in the arguments they are now saying that “if Priests could marry” or “if the Church was more accepting of human nature” etc. they wouldn’t have had to seduce these young boys. In other words, the secularists argument implies it isn’t the homosexuality that is wrong but the Church.
3. These secular “psychiatrists/psychologists” don’t place alot of reliance on God as the source of the solution (in fact, some of them blame God as part of the problem). If the mental heath industry (and it is an industry) can’t counsel you to health, they will give you a prescription. If neither work, they call it a pathology that is hard-wired for which we need to accept the “patient” as they are. I am one who believes that all sins can be overcomewith God through Confession, prayer and God’s grace. All of us can overcome our sinful nature with God’s help, even homosexuality.

Reliance on the “dogma of Same Sex Attraction (SSA)” as a disorder that is “hard-wired” and can’t be overcome has serious theological implications. Intellectually, I have a hard time distinguishing this “dogma” with Calvin’s predestination argument. Both argue that outcome is “hard-wired” in us at conception and the die is cast. Predestination is a serious heresy condemned by the Church. I would hate to have the Church have to someday “recant” their reliance on “conventional psychiatric wisdom” as they did when the Church admitted that Galileo was right when he said the Earth was round and the Earth revolved around the sun.

Bottom line: I pray that collectively we cease to celebrate this development as a positive but instead weep because we have to specifically select this sinful nature for extra-ordinary remedies for the good of the Church and potentially to protect our young people. (I say potentially because if the ultimate disorder is closer to rape than homosexuality, we may have actually done nothing to protect our young people)

 

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Orionthehunter:

I read your post and it is one view of the situation. I posit another as I’m not totally comfortable relying on theory that begins has at its roots “conventional psychiatric” theories.

You will not meet a bigger critic of psychiatry/psychology than me. The citation I gave, in general, is criticizing psychology. The author was arguing against the psychologist from St.Lukes.

My point is most of psychology would agree with your view, not mine. They are the ones who want to claim homosexual inclination is not the problem, but so-called pedophelia is the issue.