Acknowledgement of Orthodox Saints

[dochawk]

even canonize saints for all of the particular churches to venerate, or are our canonizations Roman specific?

The individual churches remain quite capable of doing so, but it seems, unfortunately, that in the last century or so, a saint canonized by Rome seems more prestigious.

The Eastern (and older western) process is for the local veneration to spread until wide acceptance.

When will that happen? I don’t see the Roman Catholic Church willing to agree to much of anything suggested by Metropolitan Seraphim for the reunion to take place:

But for the Russians, +Frances and +Bartholomew could come up with a universally acceptable plan over a long weekend retreat. For that matter, I am certain that but for the Russians, +Benedict and +Bartholomew would have done so . . .

When you exclude the lunatic fringes from both sides, it’s really not hard to reconcile, including infallibility, Filioque, bearded and married priests, whatever . . . it’s the need for the other side to profess “Uncle! We’ve been wrong all along!” that comes from the fringe.

 

[AlNg]

it’s really not hard to reconcile

How do you propose to reconcile on the Roman Catholic dogmas of papal infallibility and universal papal jurisdiction?
Also do Catholics deny the uncreated nature of divine grace?

 

[Tis_Bearself]

This is not true for the vast number of post-schism but pre-union saints. The Eastern Catholics brought their saints and calendars with them into communion. These saints never underwent the formal process of canonization.

I think there was some confusion here as I was thinking in terms of making new saints, not whatever the Pope allowed unifying churches to bring in.

However, that got me curious as to which saints were brought in and do they have feast days on the calendar? Can you name some examples of such post-schism pre-unification saints and is there a list?

 

[RyanBlack]

However, that got me curious as to which saints were brought in and do they have feast days on the calendar? Can you name some examples of such post-schism pre-unification saints and is there a list?

St. Gregory Palamas is perhaps the best known example. He is on the calendar of the Melkite Catholic Church and the Ruthenian Catholic Church, and perhaps others.

 

[dochawk]

How do you propose to reconcile on the Roman Catholic dogmas of papal infallibility and universal papal jurisdiction?

I am not going to be the one doing it.

But I can easily see a council explaining the VI requirement of collegiality in a manner palatable to the East, possibly even citing the papal ratification of early councils. Universal jurisdiction could be handled in a similar manner, narrowing immediate jurisdiction.

 

[Ghosty1981]

I think you might really like St. Gregory Palamas, Tis_Bearself. His writings are a bit obtuse from a Latin perspective, but his perspective is a perfect compliment to traditional Latin theology. I recomend “Gregory Palamas: The Triads” from the Classics of Western Spirituality series. Ignore the anti-Latin polemics in the introductory portions and meditate on the spiritual insights about God Himself.

I’m grateful that we have both Aquinas and Palamas in our patrimony; their approaches are like two lenses that focus one another. I like to think that Palamas speaks for Aquinas when he was struck dumb by his vision of the Divine Nature, and that Aquinas puts Palamas’ thoughts into a worldly language.

Peace and God bless!

 

[babochka]

I don’t know of a comprehensive list, but a few who come to mind are St. Anthony of the Caves, St. Sergius Radonezh, Saint Seraphim of Sarov. I’ve seen a list of 20 or so Russian Orthodox Saints, but I am not sure where at the moment. I’ll keep looking. I have no idea if there is a comprehensive list somewhere, but I doubt it.

 

[OrbisNonSufficit]

I imagine only no-no’s would be those venerated for their opposition to Rome- being venerated in spite of it is fine I guess. Most sui iuris Churches are able to canonize their own Saints, but they kinda seem to leave that to Rome as that is a safer approach that actually makes those Saints be venerated really globally.

I mean, practice where Saints would be venerated locally and then globally was only banned in the West after some unworthy people were canonized by local Bishops and Rome did not agree, and because of centralization it was kinda easy to reserve such privilege for the Pope (to prevent abuses). Correct me if I’m wrong though, and don’t quote me on this