Acts 15:11 and Sola fide

[guanophore]

What Scriptures also was James, known as James the Just, Righteous, known as brother of the Lord by all the Apostles, St Paul< who sought to gathered to, when dealing with issues of the Community of the Faithful?

The writing is difficult to decipher here, but I think you are trying to “prove” that James is drawing from the books of Moses for the Nazarite vow. What is the purpose of all the >>>>>>?

You are correct they were not relaxed, were they? All has to continue to flow when it comes within His Spoken Word, He clearly tells us, I am the same today as yesterday? Isaiah taught us how to read Scripture, line upon line, pretext upon pretext, line upon line, guess cherry picking was not the Great Prophet Isaiah ways was it. maybe?

Changing/relaxing of disciplines does not mean that the Truth does not flow from Scripture. Yes, He is the same, but the rules can change.

But I agree, cherry picking texts is not the correct way to read scripture.

Theses Laws( Torah) were not new to the Hebrew Israelites and how to live by, but theses 4 Torah Laws (Torah Laws which Jesus taught) of Moses would be new to gentles pagans?

Although Jesus had declared all foods clean, and the Jewish Christians understood that Gentiles were not required to be circumcised and follow the Law of Moses, they wanted such mixed communities to be in harmony together. Paul goes into much more detail on the principle of expediency in Corinthians.

 

[MT1926]

You are correct they were not relaxed, were they?

I’m correct that they were relaxed? or I’m correct that you are the one saying they weren’t relaxed?

All has to continue to flow when it comes within His Spoken Word, He clearly tells us, I am the same today as yesterday?

No it doesn’t have to continue to flow, Jesus can change whatever He wants when he wants to change it.

Isaiah taught us how to read Scripture, line upon line, pretext upon pretext, line upon line, guess cherry picking was not the Great Prophet Isaiah ways was it. maybe?

I’m not sure if you realize it or not but pretexting scripture is reading your own ideas into the verse regardless of the context. Pretexting and cherry picking are the same thing.

Jesus commanded to his listening audience, to search the Scriptures

I don’t see Jesus teaching us to search the Scriptures to find the truth, maybe you could point to some verses.

I’m not sure why you believe God cares whether I eat my steak rare or well done?

God Bless

 

[guanophore]

I’m correct that they were relaxed? or I’m correct that you are the one saying they weren’t relaxed?

I think @rose321 considers these immutable Divine Laws.

No it doesn’t have to continue to flow, Jesus can change whatever He wants when he wants to change it.

Jesus will change disciplines, but not Divine/Moral Law (such as the 10 commandments).

I’m not sure if you realize it or not but pretexting scripture is reading your own ideas into the verse regardless of the context. Pretexting and cherry picking are the same thing.

It may be that @ rose321 has some fundamentalist ideas.

I don’t see Jesus teaching us to search the Scriptures to find the truth, maybe you could point to some verses.

Jesus pointed out that the Jews had this practice.

“You study the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life. These are the very Scriptures that testify about me,” John 5:38

 

[MT1926]

Jesus will change disciplines, but not Divine/Moral Law (such as the 10 commandments).

Yes agreed, I should have been more clear.

Jesus pointed out that the Jews had this practice.

“You study the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life. These are the very Scriptures that testify about me,” John 5:38

Yeah that was the verse I was thinking she was speaking about but wasn’t sure, that’s why I was hoping she could point to verses before I said anything.

Thanks for the clarification,

God Bless

 

[rose321]

I’m correct that they were relaxed? or I’m correct that you are the one saying they weren’t relaxed?

What one is questioning where in Scriptures that those 4 Laws to be observed were it states, is written in Scriptures were relaxed or by St Paul or others? His letter to the Romans seem to state other wise?

I don’t see Jesus teaching us to search the Scriptures to find the truth, maybe you could point to some verses.

Being taught through otu NT Jesus commanding to Search the Scriptures by those who written within Jesus teachings

I don’t see Jesus teaching us to search the Scriptures to find the truth, maybe you could point to some verses.

1 John 4:1-5 Search the Scriptures
2 Timothy 3:3:15-17 Study to show thyself reproved
1 Corinthians 12:100:
Acts 17:clock11:
1 Thesselonians 5:21
Matthew 7:15-20
Peace

 

[MT1926]

1 John 4:1-5 Search the Scriptures

This says to test the Spirits, not search the Scriptures. read verse 6

6 We are of God. Whoever knows God listens to us, and he who is not of God does not listen to us. By this we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of error.

They are saying test the Spirits against what they orally taught, not what you think they meant by what was written.

2 Timothy 3:3:15-17 Study to show thyself reproved

Yes agreed the scriptures are profitable, but nowhere does it say us learning scripture on our own will guarantee we will find the truth.

1 Corinthians 12:100:

There isn’t a verse 100 so not sure on this one.

Acts 17:clock11:

Here’s a good article from Steve Ray about the Bereans

Why the Bereans Rejected Sola Scriptura | Catholic Answers Magazine

1 Thesselonians 5:21

Sure test everything, but it’s not saying against scripture. Read verse 12

12 But we beseech you, brethren, to respect those who labor among you and are over you in the Lord and admonish you, 13 and to esteem them very highly in love because of their work.

St Paul is saying to respect the ones he has handed on the authority over you to teach you. In this context he is telling them to test everything against their teachings not against what you think the Bible is saying.

Matthew 7:15-20

This one confuses me why do you believe Jesus is telling us to search the scriptures here?

 

[guanophore]

What one is questioning where in Scriptures that those 4 Laws to be observed were it states, is written in Scriptures were relaxed or by St Paul or others? His letter to the Romans seem to state other wise?

Not sure what you mean by this, but you sound like someone suffering from Sola Scriptura. If that is so, then you do not accept that the Word of God is present in the Church as well as the Scriptures, so you may be looking to find something in the Scriptures that was never intended to be included. The New Testament was not designed to be a full compendium of the faith.

What are you reading in Romans that leaves you thinking the Church does not have the authority to relax disciplines.

Being taught through otu NT Jesus commanding to Search the Scriptures by those who written within Jesus teachings

Perhaps English is not your first language? I am having trouble understanding this. Who are “those who written within Jesus’ teachings”?

Where do you see searching the Scriptures being “taught through otu NT”? Perhaps you are thinking of the Bereans?

1 John 4:1-5 Search the Scriptures

“Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, 3but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.”

There is no reference to the Scripture in this passage.

2 Timothy 3:3:15-17 Study to show thyself reproved

There is nothing in this passage about studying the Scriptures.

1 Corinthians 12:100:

There are not 100 verses in 1 Cor. 12. There are no verses in 1 Cor. 12 that refer to study of Scripture.

 

[guanophore]

Acts 17:clock11:

@webmaster unfortunately the new forum uses colon signs to make the emojis, and there are so many of them that certain bible verses cannot be referenced without the emoji language being substituted. I have had to use semicolons on many verses to prevent this. One would think an apologetics forum would allow for all bible verses to be referenced before an emoji, but I guess that is a reflection on modern social media.

Jesus is not directing anyone to study the Scriptures in Acts 17. And just for the record, what made the Bereans “more noble” is that the “received the Apostolic message with joy”, unlike the others who heard it with a different attitude. Certainly searching the scriptures is also noble, but one is better benefitted when first receiving instruction from the Apostolic faith.

1 Thesselonians 5:21

21 but test them all; hold on to what is good, 22 reject every kind of evil.

This passage has no mention of Scripture either. I think the pattern here indicates that you are confined to the Scriptures when it comes to “testing”, so that you evaluate your experience by how you perceive what is written in the Scriptures.

Matthew 7:15-20

15 “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.

This passage also says nothing about searching the Scriptures for anything. On the contrary, it states that you will know them by their fruit.

Perhaps you don’t think that Catholics have bibles, or read their bibles, or that we are so ignorant of Scripture that we will just take it for granted that all the examples you have given here are “Jesus telling us to study the Scriptures”. I think your examples have fallen quite short to prove what you claim they prove.