Ad Orientem in Tulsa

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The bishop of Tulsa has decided to restore the practice when he celebrates mass. When I read about and realized why the priest always celebrated mass facing the same way as the congregatin it made absolute sense. I hope it catches on.

dioceseoftulsa.org/eoc/eoc200909.pdf
 
Ohiomom said:
The bishop of Tulsa has decided to restore the practice when he celebrates mass. When I read about and realized why the priest always celebrated mass facing the same way as the congregatin it made absolute sense. I hope it catches on.
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Yes. Contrary to the position taken by those who are imbued with (or, more accurately, drowned in) the "spirit of Vatican II’ (ugh!), there is a reason for using the ad orientem posture. It’s nice to finally see a bishop in this country actually embracing it publicly.
 
Here’s hoping the priests in his diocese follow his example.
 
malphono said:
. It’s nice to finally see a bishop in this country actually embracing it publicly.
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Here is ArchBishop Allen Vigneron of Detroit saying Mass on the Feast of the Assumption

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You can if you go to Old St. Patrick Church in Ann Arbor. The priest has been celebrating Ad Orientem for quite a while now at all daily Masses and the 10:30 Mass on Sunday.👍
 
A2SciTeach said:
You can if you go to Old St. Patrick Church in Ann Arbor. The priest has been celebrating Ad Orientem for quite a while now at all daily Masses and the 10:30 Mass on Sunday.👍
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Is it correct to presume that this also represents the “reform of the reform” OF?
 
Dai_Yoshida said:
Three cheers for Archbishop Vigneron. 👍

I would love to see this in the Diocese of Lansing.
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You probably could.

When Bishop Boyea was an auxilliary bishop here, he regularly said the EF Mass. This was even before Summorum Pontificum came out 🙂 He even learned the rubrics for the Pontifical High Mass and said that on occasion (Easter and such).

So he is certainly NOT opposed to an ad orientum Mass. 😃
 
Brendan said:
Dai Yoshida:
Three cheers for Archbishop Vigneron.

I would love to see this in the Diocese of Lansing.
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You probably could.

When Bishop Boyea was an auxilliary bishop here, he regularly said the EF Mass. This was even before Summorum Pontificum came out 🙂 He even learned the rubrics for the Pontifical High Mass and said that on occasion (Easter and such).

So he is certainly NOT opposed to an ad orientum Mass. 😃
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Yes, I knew bishop Boyea personally “back in the day” (never mind the exact years ;)). Anyway, that plus his clearly demonstrated interest in the EF, leads me to suspect he is kindly disposed to ad orientem, for any liturgy (even the OF). I hope I’m not wrong.
 
malphono said:
Yes, I knew bishop Boyea personally “back in the day” (never mind the exact years ;)). Anyway, that plus his clearly demonstrated interest in the EF, leads me to suspect he is kindly disposed to ad orientem, for any liturgy (even the OF). I hope I’m not wrong.
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Cool, I know him reasonably well as well. He was the episcopal moderator for our Vicariate.

I was in the diaconate program for 3 years. I had applied in one vicarate and was accepted, and then our family moved into another vicariate (which he moderated).

He called me at home, pretty much just to chat. He wanted to know all the people involved with either Orders or religious life personally. I thought that was pretty cool.

When kids #4 and #5 came along and my wife and I were trying to decide if I was needed more in the pews helping my wife or on the altar, Bishop Boyea cleared 2 hours from his calendar for us to chat about it. ( He recommended that we hold off a few years, which I am doing 😃 )

Great and Holy Man!!
 
This is my diocese! :extrahappy::dancing::bounce::love:

We just recently finished remodeling our church. The first Sunday back in it I looked up during the Eucharistic prayers to find myself staring at Father’s back. 👍 It was the first time in my life that I have participated in a Mass like that.🙂 Our altar is set up so that Mass can be done both ways. Bishop Slattery is coming to our parish next month for the official celebration and the blessing. :yyeess:
 
Ohiomom said:
The bishop of Tulsa has decided to restore the practice when he celebrates mass. When I read about and realized why the priest always celebrated mass facing the same way as the congregatin it made absolute sense. I hope it catches on.

dioceseoftulsa.org/eoc/eoc200909.pdf
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I often wondered “why?” myself. And how did the priests feel about this in it’s beginnings?
One reason could have been Christ Himself was facing the people during His Crucifixion even though His Oblation was to the Father (but FOR us). Perhaps that’s the answer. The priest who becomes Christ on the altar offering himself to the Father(through his ordination) not only FOR us but NOW with us as a pure oblation because of Him and with Him who suffered once and for all time the perfect sacrifice to the Father. Amen! Amen! nannyma
 
nannyma said:
. The priest who becomes Christ on the altar offering himself to the Father(through his ordination) not only FOR us but NOW with us as a pure oblation because of Him and with Him who suffered once and for all time the perfect sacrifice to the Father. Amen! Amen! nannyma
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Either way, the priest is certainly with us, it’s not like he is somewhere else 🙂

But the sacrifice that the priest offers is not the same sacrifice that we offer. And we do not offer the sacrifice that the priest does.

We can only offer what we have what we own… In the case of the ordinary priesthood, that is ourselves. We offer that in conjunciton with the sacrifice that the priest offers.

The priest, being in persona Christi, has Christ. Christ can offer himself to the Father, and does so throught the priest.

As the good bishop noted (and so did Pope Benedict, in his book “Spirit of the Liturgy”), this is best done with the priest leading the people towards the East, the Resurrection.

It is ALLOWED for the priest to face the people, at least in the Latin Rite ( is in not permitted at all in the other Rites), but it is not the theologically ideal way. That is clear from the Pope’s own writings, and he is the one who should know better than you or I.
 
Brendan said:
It is ALLOWED for the priest to face the people, at least in the Latin Rite ( is in not permitted at all in the other Rites), but it is not the theologically ideal way. That is clear from the Pope’s own writings, and he is the one who should know better than you or I.
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I only wish it were true that only the Latin Rite has been tainted with versus populum. Unfortunately, the dreaded “spirit of Vatican II” has had the same unwanted effect in some of the Orient as well, and that despite the explicit “instruction” from Rome that ad orientem is to be preserved. Rather a case of monkey see, monkey do. 😦
 
Sabda said:
This is my diocese! :extrahappy::dancing::bounce::love:

We just recently finished remodeling our church. The first Sunday back in it I looked up during the Eucharistic prayers to find myself staring at Father’s back. 👍 It was the first time in my life that I have participated in a Mass like that.🙂 Our altar is set up so that Mass can be done both ways. Bishop Slattery is coming to our parish next month for the official celebration and the blessing. :yyeess:
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You all are fortunate in Archbishop Slattery. We are down near OKC. Archbishop Beltran is not the same sort of fellow. A godly man, yes. But not like Archbishop Slattery.
 
slyboots said:
You all are fortunate in Archbishop Slattery. We are down near OKC. Archbishop Beltran is not the same sort of fellow. A godly man, yes. But not like Archbishop Slattery.
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We truly are. He is one bishop who really is listening to Rome and trying to teach the faithful what he hears. 👍
 
I was at a conference this week and was having a casual chat about this topic with a couple of priests - one Byzantine Rite and on Latin Rite. The Latin Rite priest (who only says Mass ad orientem) said that he was approached one time by someone who was new to that posture and say, “why do you turn your back to me?” Father told him, “because I don’t want to look at you”. LOL!! He said this with the proper intent and explanation of course - but it makes the point perfectly. He also added that it is interesting how people will make this issue about themselves when it really is not about them seeing the priest, but about them having their focus on Jesus Christ.

~Liza
 
Brendan said:
You probably could.

When Bishop Boyea was an auxilliary bishop here, he regularly said the EF Mass. This was even before Summorum Pontificum came out 🙂 He even learned the rubrics for the Pontifical High Mass and said that on occasion (Easter and such).

So he is certainly NOT opposed to an ad orientum Mass. 😃
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I’m not so sure Brendan. In the Lansing-Jackson area, only St. Joseph the Worker parish has EF Mass. About a year ago, he sent our parish a letter promising an upgrade from personal parish status to territorial parish status. About a month ago he abruptly told our pastor that he is being transferred to Our Lady of Fatima and that our parish will now be downgraded to a chapel.

I can understand this if our parish was losing money. But in the last 5 years we’ve shown huge upsurge in both EF Mass attendance and income.

Now we are under administrative leadership of a pastor who is not keen on EF Mass and we are losing our RE program and youth ministry.

I don’t think we would be seeing ad orientem OF mass in this nook of the woods anytime soon.

Please keep us in your prayer.
 
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