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I’ve always known “BC” stood for “Before Christ.” I’ve always taken this to mean before His birth. And “AD” means “Anno Domini”, meaning “in the year of the Lord.” I know it’s one of those things that aren’t really known, but wouldn’t Jesus have been born in the year 1 AD? He wouldn’t have turned one year old in that year, but it was the year He was born, so it would be the year of Him, right? I’m confused about this, because I’ve read Herod died in 4 BC, and that seems to be a known fact. How could Herod have died in the “Before Christ” era? This makes no sense to me. Also, I expect this question has probably been asked many times here, and I’ve searched for a thread similar but couldn’t find one so thought I would just ask.
I used to think “AD” meant “After Death,” but now I know it doesn’t.
 
I’ve always known “BC” stood for “Before Christ.” I’ve always taken this to mean before His birth. And “AD” means “Anno Domini”, meaning “in the year of the Lord.” I know it’s one of those things that aren’t really known, but wouldn’t Jesus have been born in the year 1 AD? He wouldn’t have turned one year old in that year, but it was the year He was born, so it would be the year of Him, right? I’m confused about this, because I’ve read Herod died in 4 BC, and that seems to be a known fact. How could Herod have died in the “Before Christ” era? This makes no sense to me. Also, I expect this question has probably been asked many times here, and I’ve searched for a thread similar but couldn’t find one so thought I would just ask.
I used to think “AD” meant “After Death,” but now I know it doesn’t.
The short answer is: the BC-AD system was devised by a 6th century monk named Dionysus Exiguus. He simply estimated when Jesus was likely born (or became incarnate) by calculating backwards. To his credit, he’s probably off by just a few years. (Before him, a 5th-century Alexandrian monk named Annianus also tried to calculate when Jesus was born; he arrived at the conclusion that Jesus was actually born in AD 8.)
 
Dionysius Exiguus is the one who starting the counting of the years since Christ came.

A.D. is an abbreviation for Dionysius Exiguus’ Latin phrase “anno Domini nostri Jesu Christi,” translated into English as “in the year of our Lord, Jesus Christ.”

You can read an article about that here

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As for Herod’s death, here is an article making a case that He did not die until****

give 1 BC for the death and end of the reign of Herod, his death, son [soon?] after the eclipse of Jan. 10, 1 BC.

****ewtn.com/library/SCRIPTUR/CHRISTBR.TXT

I do not know whether or not this was addressed at this thread, but you might find some arguments for his birth date here

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=942632

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If you are a scholar, especially of history, BC and AD are not used so much any more. It’s BCE and CE: Before the Common Era and Common Era.
 
If you are a scholar, especially of history, BC and AD are not used so much any more. It’s BCE and CE: Before the Common Era and Common Era.
Depends really. A lot of scholars get irritated about the BCE and CE thing because changing the initials is meaningless if the base number system remains the same. In either system, it is still centered around the life and death of Christ. A truly neutral system would be based off of the last ice age or something like that.
 
Another web site states :
The Star: In the evening of June 17, 2 BC, there was a spectacular astronomical event in the western sky. Venus moved eastward seemingly going to collide with Jupiter. They appeared as one star, not two, dominating the twilight of the western sky in the direction of Palestine. This conjunction had not happened for centuries, would not happen again for more centuries. Jupiter was considered the Father, Venus the Mother. Ten 19 days later, on August 31st. Venus came within .36 degrees of Mercury. On Sept. 11 came the New Moon, the Jewish New Year. This happened when Jupiter, the Kin planed [King Planet] was approaching Regulus, the King star. Further, there were three conjunctions of Jupiter and Regulus within the constellation of Leo, the lion which was considered the head of the Zodiac. Now Gen. 49:10 had foretold there would always be a ruler from Judah, whom Jacob called the lion, until the time of the Messiah. Leo was dominated by the star Regulus, which astronomers called the King Star. The Magi, being astronomers and astrologers, would surely read these signs. (The three conjunctions with Regulus were Aug. 12, 3 BC; Feb. 17, 2 BC, and May 8/9 2 BC). Also, on Dec. 25 of 2 B.C., Jupiter stopped for 6 days over Bethlehem. This is a normal motion for Jupiter, it stops twice, and reverses its seeming movement.
 
IIRC, Romans supposedly marked time from the founding of Rome, roughly 750 BC. Then, of course, they wouldn’t have known BC. Today we list them as years BC and afterwards based on years based on that old Roman calendar subtracting or adding as necessary.

BTW, in most calculations there was no year 0 AD.

Patrick457 probably can add to this.
 
BTW, in most calculations there was no year 0 AD.
Which means that the 21st Century, like every century before it, began in 2001 and not 2000, so some of us were nonplussed at the excitement bestowed on “partying like it’s 1999”.
 
If you are a scholar, especially of history, BC and AD are not used so much any more. It’s BCE and CE: Before the Common Era and Common Era.
So there are no Christian scholars today? Or are Christian scholars just marginalized?
 
So there are no Christian scholars today? Or are Christian scholars just marginalized?
No, it’s a “politically correct” form of labeling years used to avoid giving “offence” to non-Christians. It has problems:
  1. BCE and CE can be confusing to some who aren’t antiquated with the system.
  2. Most people in the world regardless of their religious background are already used to the system.
  3. It’s basically the SAME THING:
    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-S4zv9F4EqYo/ToTG3Na8bDI/AAAAAAAACPQ/rDbr4hwANWc/s1600/timeline.jpg
When I’m going to be a historian one day I’ll keep using the BC/AD system. Go try and stop me.

This is why I love Christianity. It’s extremely subversive. 😉
 
I don’t think anyone here will want to stop you. But the editors of the journals you’ll be publishing in might insist.
 
If you are a scholar, especially of history, BC and AD are not used so much any more. It’s BCE and CE: Before the Common Era and Common Era.
yes they wanted to remove Christ from the dating system. This should have been the first clue as to how Christianity would be targeted in the future.
 
yes they wanted to remove Christ from the dating system. This should have been the first clue as to how Christianity would be targeted in the future.
… and yet they haven’t totally removed Him. 😉

Although I do agree this is a sign of things to come.
 
IIRC, Romans supposedly marked time from the founding of Rome, roughly 750 BC. Then, of course, they wouldn’t have known BC. Today we list them as years BC and afterwards based on years based on that old Roman calendar subtracting or adding as necessary.

BTW, in most calculations there was no year 0 AD.

Patrick457 probably can add to this.
Yes, you’re right. The Romans actually used a number of era systems. The one you describe (the ab urbe condita / A.U.C. system) is just one of these, and it’s actually the less-common one. More commonly, especially in the early days, the Romans simply described years by naming the two consuls in office for that particular year. Sometimes you might also find the regnal year of the Roman emperor (“the fifteenth year of Tiberius”) being used. In some areas like Spain, it’s also common to date years from when the Romans began to establish their rule in the region (so the so-called Spanish Era actually begins in 38 BC, which marks the ‘official’ beginning of Roman domination of Spain).
 
Another web site states :

(snip)
A word of advice though. It’s been the vogue for many people, scholars included, to tie in the Star of Bethlehem naturalistically with whatever ‘spectacular’ or prominent astronomical phenomenon that would have occurred at that time: comets, supernovas, planets, whatever. But when you actually read Matthew’s text (without the preconceived notions of the Star being this gigantic, pointy ball of gas you see depicted in Nativity scenes today), what we are told is that the Magi saw the star “in the East / at its rising,” and that later, while they were leaving Jerusalem, it reappeared and “went before them until it came to rest over the place where the child was.”

You could actually make the case that the Star was not an astronomical phenomenon at all, but a one-time miracle. Many early Christians actually interpreted the Star in this way: they thought that it was an angel who took the form of a star (the idea of linking angels with stars actually has a Jewish precedent* - in fact, not just Jewish, it was a general idea in the ancient world that stuff like stars are really ‘living’ beings; some people actually argue that Matthew probably had the same thing in mind). They interpreted the ‘Star’ “[coming] to rest over the place where the child was” as it literally coming down from the dome of the sky to literally guide the Magi to Bethlehem and literally stopping over the house where Joseph and Mary stayed. Yes, just like the pillar of cloud and the pillar of fire that guided the Israelites through the desert.

A textual variant of this passage actually makes this clearer: in this version, the star “came to rest upon the child,” a la the Holy Spirit descending and resting upon Jesus at His baptism. (That’s what Origen said: “[The star] came down to the very place where the infant was [and it remained] on the Christ [just as, when he later submitted to John’s baptism, the Holy Spirit in the form of a dove descended] and remained on him.”) You can see shades of this interpretation in this commentary in St. Irenaeus:

And at His birth the star appeared to the Magi who dwelt in the east; and thereby they learned that Christ was born; and they came to Judaea, led by the star; until the star came to Bethlehem where Christ was born, and entered the house wherein was laid the child, wrapped in swaddling-clothes; and it stood over His head, declaring to the Magi the Son of God, the Christ. (Irenaeus, Proof of the Apostolic Preaching 58)

The star descended from the heights and came closer to the earth to show the place to them [the magi]. For if it had appeared to them in the heights, how would they have been able to perceive the particular spot where Christ was? For the stars are visible over a great area. You may accordingly behold the moon over your house while it appears to me that it is over my house only. In short, the moon or a star appears to one and all to stand over them alone. So this star could not have indicated where Christ was unless it descended and stood over the head of the child. (Theophylact, Commentary on Matthew 2.9)
  • That’s why you had Christians imagining from Revelation 12’s description that the Dragon’s tail swept “a third of the stars out of the sky” as meaning that Satan actually managed to sway a third of the angels to his side, and that the “morning star”/‘Lucifer’ in Isaiah 14 actually refers typologically to him. It’s the angel = star idea at work.
 
When did they discontinue using B.C. and A.D. do you know?
I researched it was because of 19th century Jewish scholars, or at least Wikipedia says so. 😊

In any case using BCE and CE isn’t even close to politically correct. Hindus, Buddhists and Muslims have their own year systems. If anything this proves that secularism is more of a counterfeiter than a borrower.
 
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BC -AD vs BCE -CE

Anne Carroll in her introduction to her book on history explains that it is impossible for a historian to write his work without presenting it from a perspective. She is intelligent and honest enough to state that clearly. Others clearly are NOT.

CHRIST THE KING LORD OF HISTORY,
by Anne Carroll, published by Tan Books,
Phone # 1800437*5876

Out side of the Bible, this is my favorite book.

This article below explains why we should keep the traditional BC-AD.

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It is written in a dialog format in order to teach others how to evangelize this, and the Pro Life message in a way that is least offensive as the Truth can be.

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