Adam and Eve and their judgement

[Gorgias]

Of course, but the verse can apply to subsequent sins also.

That kinds gets into the realm of eisegesis, don’t you think?

Also, if the writing/homily was in any way contrary to Catholic teaching or belief, I hardly think it would have been allowed into the Liturgy of Hours, which according to CCC 1175 “is intended to become the prayer of the whole People of God”.

My point is merely that homiletics =/= dogmatic theology. Homilists can take a bit of “poetic license” in their homilies in a way that theologians cannot.

 

[JGD]

JGD:

Of course, but the verse can apply to subsequent sins also.

That kinds gets into the realm of eisegesis, don’t you think?

No.
There are many places in Scripture where “sin” is used in a general sense which includes personal sins and is not limited in meaning to original sin.
I’m unaware of any Catholic tradition or Tradition that gives the opinion that Adam and Eve were not saved and are probably in hell. Do you? I’m just agreeing with some of our ECF’s and saints who are of the opinion that they were saved. Can’t remember how long ago I first read those writings, but prior to that, I don’t recall that it was something I even thought about.

 

[Gorgias]

I’m just agreeing with some of our ECF’s and saints who are of the opinion that they were saved.

Right. And, as opinions go, I think it’s a good one! Still… “opinion”, not “doctrine”, right?

 

[JGD]

CCC 635 …He has gone to search for Adam, our first father, as for a lost sheep. Greatly desiring to visit those who live in darkness and in the shadow of death, he has gone to free from sorrow Adam in his bonds and Eve, captive with him - He who is both their God and the son of Eve…

Although I used the word “opinion”, I’m not sure if it’s technically correct; might be considered more of a “teaching”. Someone more qualified than me would have to provide an answer. “Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma” by Dr. Ludwig Ott gives 6 levels of certainty under it’s paragraph 8 titled “The Theological Grades of Certainty”. Not sure which level this topic (Adam & Eve saved) would fall, especially since both the Liturgy of Hours and the Catechism of the Catholic Church, which are certainly solid sources, contain that beautiful passage about Jesus going to free them. In Fidei Depositum (IV The Doctrinal Value of the Text) John Paul II says the Catechism is “a valid and legitimate instrument for ecclesial communion and a sure norm for teaching the faith”.

Interesting article by Taylor Marshall on Adam and Eve - saints! Seems it used to be celebrated in the Church, and according to one commenter the Eastern churches still celebrate it.

 

[Limoncello4021]

Dante has them in Heaven, in fact pretty high up. Yes, The Divine Comedy is fiction, but it is based on all sorts of sound theology–Dante did his homework.

 

[EndTimes]

So, those who have children who are holy are therefore absolved of their sin and are unable to be in hell?

Didn’t say that…
To declare anything re: anyone’s judgement is the sin of presumption…
There’s zero evidence that after their punishment that God’s sending Adam and Eve to
H … E … Double HockeySticks

 

[Aulef]

They probably did.

 

[mythbuster1]

Genesis also speaks strongly about Adam and Eve’s hope: "Adam again had relations with his wife, and she gave birth to a son who she called Seth. “God has granted me more seed in place of Abel,” she said, “because Cain slew him.” She longed for the Redeemer, though she did not realize that she wouldn’t live to see the coming of the Redeemer, nor did she understand at first that the Seed of the Woman must be born of a virgin, for children born of natural relations are the seed of their fathers.

 

[Gorgias]

To declare anything re: anyone’s judgement is the sin of presumption…

Hmm…

They most likely were remorseful the very moment the Lord called them out on their sin.

OK: ‘presumption’, then.

There’s zero evidence that after their punishment that God’s sending Adam and Eve to
H … E … Double HockeySticks

And the evidence of the other potential result is…? (Remember… ‘presumption’! )

 

[EndTimes]

OK: ‘presumption’, then.

And the evidence of the other potential result is…? (Remember… ‘presumption’! )

It matters much not to me… Jesus is the Judge… So the question is rather… moot