Adam and Eve Eating from the tree of knowlege

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When it Comes to Adam and Eve did the father say that they could not eat the fruit from the tree of knowledge because they were be not ready for that knowlege? My other question is over time would they be allowed to eat from the tree?
 
When it Comes to Adam and Eve did the father say that they could not eat the fruit from the tree of knowledge because they were be not ready for that knowlege? My other question is over time would they be allowed to eat from the tree
Yes, God gave Adam and Eve a set of commandments:

16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

The knowledge of good and evil belongs to God.
Many points to this passage, we have the ability to know and to discern but also, we are able to know forgiveness and mercy from God. The point was made with Jesus several times in the scripture on judging others , “and with whatever measure you measure, it will be measured to you.” What might be a sinful person today may not be what he will be tomorrow.

God can take the worst of sinners and make them into saints. The way of lent - God, through his son, gave sinners a way to return back. There are many difficult sins but if one is truly repetitive and reaches out to God then the graces is given. God is judging all the time but in that perfection of judgement he is correcting and guiding. We walk not by sight with God, we walk by faith!

2nd question, No, the angel stands guard over Paradise so the tree of knowledge is off limits. The sin of disobedience was the punishment - unfortunately, when serpent told (edit) Eve her eyes would be opened - perhaps someone or thing forgot to tell her that picking from the forbidden tree was evil - i don’t know if the knowledge was quite (edit) there yet. Maybe Eve was unaware…
 
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I would say yes they would have been allowed to eat in time just as Solomon was granted wisdom as he request by the Lord.
 
The command to not eat from the tree of knowledge was simply a test of obedience. There wasn’t anything particularly special about the tree except that God had forbidden them from eating from it.
The tree of knowledge. To which the deceitful serpent falsely attributed the power of imparting a superior kind of knowledge beyond that which God was pleased to give. The tree of knowledge could not communicate any wisdom to man; but, by eating of its forbidden fruit, Adam dearly purchased the knowledge of evil, to which he was before a stranger. -Haydock Bible
 
The tree literally gave them the knowledge of good and evil, by introducing them to evil, a reality that they and their descendants would from then on experience-or know-on a regular basis. Prior to that original sin, which itself was their first experience of evil as it directly opposed the will of God while also opening the door to all other sins that followed and would flourish in their brave new autonomous world, there was no distinction between these realities, no knowledge of something being good and another thing being evil simply because everything was good in Eden, God having made it that way.

Evil is only possible in the mind and will of a created rational being who’s been given the freedom to decide for himself what constitutes the highest good. Evil enters the scene or in any case exists to one degree or another to the extent that such a being is not willfully bound and subjugated to the true Highest Good, his own will in alignment with truth, in alignment with God’s will.

Man is never ready for that knowledge. The only good that comes from knowing evil and distinguishing it from good is so that we may ultimately choose between the two, hopefully having learned of the ugliness and destructiveness of evil and spurning it for the good, alone, developing a hunger and thirst for truth and righteousness in a world that too easily compromises itself with their opposites. In a truly innocent world man has no need to know evil, and it will not be known/experienced in heaven.

Man has no right to determine good and evil for himself, to make up his own morality which is what A&E did by disobeying God’s command. The existence of the command, itself, means that they knew better, they could distinguish between the right that God had commanded vs the wrong that they were tempted to do. Instead they believed a lie, in attempting to put themselves in a better position yet, and ended up casting humanity into a world where we experience the consequences everyday. Here we may learn of our limitations even as the same pride that seduced Adam & Eve continues to work in us daily to assert ourselves above the rest in one manner or another, above God, even, truth be known. But here we can also learn the difference between Creator and created, by experiencing our limitations when separated from His immediate presence. Here we experience evil: sin, pain, suffering, and the death that threatens our very being, our existence. Here we know the ugliness of pride, of man’s self-righteousness that comes as he’s “freed” from his Creator. Here we might come to know why Adam was wrong, and reverse that decision within ourselves. “Apart from Me you can do nothing”, Jesus tells us in John 15:5. That’s the essence of the New Covenant.
 
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When it Comes to Adam and Eve did the father say that they could not eat the fruit from the tree of knowledge because they were be not ready for that knowlege? My other question is over time would they be allowed to eat from the tree?
You’re inventing content that isn’t there in the Genesis story. True biblical exegesis starts with the literal meaning of the text and doesn’t add to it. It then seeks to find the spiritual meaning.

So here’s what I have for the spiritual meaning.

I would argue that the tree of the knowledge of good and evil represents that human knowledge of these things grows. But it doesn’t encompass everything. It’s still a tiny bit of God’s creation. But what is the fruit of our growing knowledge? Well, we can take pride in it so much that we turn in on ourselves.

There are some other things to notice too. First, the serpent’s lie is veiled in truth. The lie isn’t overtly said, but the crux of it is that you can’t trust God. The lie is about God’s character. Afterall, they don’t die immediately upon eating the fruit and the scales fall from their eyes so that they can see good and evil just like the serpent said. Adam’s and Eve’s reaction is fear because what the serpent says seems to be true. And when they look down they see that they are naked…vulernable. What has God done? So they do everything they can to cover themselves and hide in fear of God.

The root of sin is not merely disobedience but pride. The fruit of this pride is fear and distrust of God. Christ calls us to faith, to not be afraid, and to hear the good news that God loves us. And He challenges our doubt to embrace the paradox of the cross and to look to the resurrection for hope.

Whether or not the story of the fall literally happened or not is irrelevant because the spiritual meaning is where all the wealth of the biblical exegesis is found. This is different from the literal meaning. Literal meaning looks at what is actually there in the text. This digs into whether it’s intended to be understood as a first hand account, a testimony, or an oral tradition told over camp fire. And I would argue that it is best to read it as an oral tale that was told over campfires so often it was memorized. Whereas the Epistles are actual letters from St. Paul and the gospels are testimonies of what had happened when it was relatively historically newish.

Does that mean the story of the fall is completely fiction? No. There could be a literal event that took place, but the content of this sacred story is more important than digging into content not in the story. It leads to errors or wanting to find truth in what really happened or what could have happened which pulls you away from true biblical exegesis. And those that dismiss the story as merely myth are doing the same thing, because the danger of dismissing it can lead to the denial that we are born in a state of original sin.
 
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I think the best explanation I have heard was that not eating of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil meant that Adam and Eve were free to do anything except to define for themselves what is good and what is evil. That job belongs to God alone. Ultimately, all sin involves us—in one way or another—calling good something that is evil, or calling evil something that is good.
 
The Church has no teaching whether it is or not. The concern about the first parents question has always been about defending against the denial of original sin.
But the defense includes affirming that a literal event took place where A&E literally disobeyed God for the first time.

390 The account of the fall in Genesis 3 uses figurative language, but affirms a primeval event, a deed that took place at the beginning of the history of man . Revelation gives us the certainty of faith that the whole of human history is marked by the original fault freely committed by our first parents.
 
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Humans will judge angels. This is the end of a life fulfilled as God intended. This seat of judgement I believe is the eating that is forbidden. Eating beforehand brings an ontological change. In this life to know fully one must be what is known. Adam and Eve knew evil fully when thet disobeyed God
 
But the defense includes affirming that a literal event took place where A&E literally disobeyed God for the first time.

390 The account of the fall in Genesis 3 uses figurative language, but affirms a primeval event, a deed that took place at the beginning of the history of man . Revelation gives us the certainty of faith that the whole of human history is marked by the original fault freely committed by our first parents.
It affirms a primeval event, a first sin, as it were. That is not the same thing as viewing the event as a literal tree with literal fruit.
 
Yes, the sin was an actual event of disobedience, symbolized by eating of the fruit that God forbade. I’m not sure that Ed disagreed there
 
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