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grannymh
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We believeSo, do you believe God created Adam & Eve?
Are we debating from the same soapbox?
God created Adam and Eve and called them to share in His divine life through knowledge and love. He gave them an extremely unique nature which united both the material and spiritual worlds. This peerless union itself is the single human nature that we, Adam’s descendants, share.
Having a material anatomy enabled Adam’s descendants to adapt to the various environments as they migrated throughout the earth. You know how kids are–can’t wait to leave home and be on their own.
The unity of Adam’s descendants means that Jesus Christ came to gather all of them, including you and me, into His Father’s house for happiness eternal.
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gus
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In order to be an evolutionist you have to believe the earth made you.
That’s a depressing thought.
That’s a depressing thought.
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jcrichton
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…sorry, I thought that we were; Yahweh God is the only Creator; science studies and guesses… sometimes it guesses with some degree of accuracy… when something falls in place (atom) science does not care how such knowledge came about–it only cares that “science” determined it so; in the past the words “theory” and “hypothesis” were almost always included in its sound bite (findings/explanations) as we approached the 21st century science makes statements of fact (“the sun will be extinct in X millions of years…”) regardless of how much guesswork goes into their analysis and academic papers and recitations (“life cannot be sustained by X eco system…”); and when science is found to be wrong (“universe is so old it is folding upon itself, blah, blah, blah…”) it refuses to own up to its failures and accept that it GUESSED WRONG!So, do you believe God created Adam & Eve?
Are we debating from the same soapbox?
How did it actually take place? I do not know. But the fact is that Creation is not order from chaos and zillions of just right conditions timed at just so precisions marinated by just the right number and amount of “secret” ingredients which cooked at just the right energy level during just the pertinent amount of time would produce the multiple events of “emergent” life! (Hubble Telescope and the Super Colider)
An Intelligent Creator placed man at the top of His Creation–man was never a side effect of natural selection/deselection of creature vs. eco vs. whim.
Maran atha!
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jcrichton
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…actually there are several theories on that: ET spread the essense of life on a barren planet; asteroids bombarded the mass and microscopic life form exploded on the planet; just the right cooling and atmospheric reaction (with or without ET’s assist) caused life to emerge; residual radiation from the Big Bang irradiated the ooze pool giving life to a single-celled creature… without the acknowledgement of a Divine Creator, every single theory relies on myriads upon myriads of coincidences that developed within zillions upon zillions of years whose final outcome would only be evident after zillions of permutations brought about by the natural selection (sound bite meaning pure chance upon chance upon chance upon perceived stimuli)–the short of it? Time and cosmic conditions infused life (order) into a lifeless barren hunk of minerals, metals, salts, dirt and others (chaos)!
Take heart! …according to some theorists just a few realignments, this way or that way, and you and I would be using clicks or other forms of communications as other species (or mix thereof) would have been the predominant species (they love to sneak these in scifi flics and shows) to “evolve” on the planet–remember we are just a minuscule percentage from the lesser primates!
(personal.uncc.edu/jmarks/interests/aaa/marksaaa99.htm)
Maran atha!
Angel
Becuase if the earth made you than God didn’t make you and that would be depressing for a Catholic.
Do you believe God was unable to make man but made monkeys that turned into man all by themselves?
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VeritasLuxMea
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I guess we’re different. That wouldn’t depress me.
I believe, based on the evidence, that God chose not to do this. Whether he could have, I have no way of knowing.
I believe, based on the evidence, that God chose not to do this, either. Whether he could have, I have no way of knowing.
Close enough. I certainly believe, for example, that my ancestors did not have lily white skin as I do. But that does not mean that one of them woke up one day and their skin had changed color.
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grannymh
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No rational soul?
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Jerry-Jet
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Well one thing is for sure–since God made man out of the slime of the Earth–then He definitely didn’t make him from any other species of living thing.
In other words evolution is OK AND man being formed from the slime of the Earth is OK!
And always remember that Catholics believe in BOTH/AND!
In other words evolution is OK AND man being formed from the slime of the Earth is OK!
And always remember that Catholics believe in BOTH/AND!
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buffalo
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How was Eve formed?
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houseofsaul
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I sometimes wonder if the different reaces began at the Tower of Babel.
Genesis 11
New International Version 1984 (NIV1984)
The Tower of Babel
11 Now the whole world had one language and a common speech. 2 As men moved eastward,[a] they found a plain in Shinar** and settled there.
3 They said to each other, “Come, let’s make bricks and bake them thoroughly.” They used brick instead of stone, and tar for mortar. 4 Then they said, “Come, let us build ourselves a city, with a tower that reaches to the heavens, so that we may make a name for ourselves and not be scattered over the face of the whole earth.”
5 But the Lord came down to see the city and the tower that the men were building. 6 The Lord said, “If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them. 7 Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other.”
8 So the Lord scattered them from there over all the earth, and they stopped building the city. 9 That is why it was called Babel[c]—because there the Lord confused the language of the whole world. From there the Lord scattered them over the face of the whole earth.**
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QNDNNDQDCE
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I don’t think that is true. It says that God made man from the earth, i.e. that man is materially composed of the earth, which is true. This is a different matter from the process by which he formed man. It does not says that that the God literally fashioned him with physical hands out of lifeless dirt like a human sculptor. The soul is not composed of physical elements so evolution says nothing about that. Evolution, in light of scientific evidence, seems a reasonable explanation for how man’s body was formed. Such a grand process of creation seems fitting to the majesty of God.
That is a good question, but I don’t suppose that I could ever arise a certain answer. It seems possible that Eve was formed from Adam is a less literal way than a fundamentalist might suppose. Was the fall of man due to him eating the literal fruit of a literal tree or is that symbolic? It seems strange that this story would not be at least to some degree symbolic, though it is possible it is entirely literal. On the other hand it is possible that God physically removed Adam’s rib by surgery and by formed Eve by some unspecified process. I don’t know of any definitive reason to absolutely reject either of those positions and either way has no bearing on whether Adam’s body is the product of an evolutionary process.
In any case, the theory of evolution does not by itself contradict the creation of Adam by God in the image of God, the formation of Eve from Adam, the historicity of Adam and Eve, the fall etc.
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DaveBj
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Ah, I get it now. And when I see politicians, they’re just reverting to their origins.
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grannymh
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The emphasis in bold is mine.
When one understands that the domain of natural science is the material/physical world, then one can understand why the evolution model contradicts the creation of Adam in the “image of God.” This intersection of natural science and Divine Revelation concerns the rational spiritual soul directly created by God.
Please note that natural science, itself, is a gift from God which has benefited humanity, especially in the medical arena. But natural science cannot be used to explain human nature because natural science is confined to the decomposing anatomy.
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buffalo
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You no doubt are aware of the constant teaching and understanding of the Church regarding Eve?
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grannymh
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I am aware of CCC 371 which leaves open the exact methods God used to “fashion” woman from the man’s rib. CCC 1605 also has useful information. For a deeper understanding of “male and female He created them”, please read CCC 369-373 including the paragraphs cross-referenced in the margins.
I am also aware of efforts to get a specific doctrine about Eve’s anatomy. Some speculations date back centuries…
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