Adam and Eve? Who was at fault?

[NathanCarson]

BOTH

no reasoning aside. Both Adam and Eve were at fault. One no less than the other. Eve blamed the serpent for her fault. Adam blamed his wife. They are both guilty of the same sin, and not accepting responsibility for their actions.

 

[MaggieOH]

mlchance:

Not so. More than one male commentator, including the Apostle Paul, has noted that Adam is more culpable than Eve. Read the account of the temptation carefully. The entire time Eve and the Serpent debated, Adam stood by and did nothing. Then, when Eve gave him the fruit, Adam - the one who directly received the command from God not to eat from that particular treat - only opened his mouth long enough to take a bite.

Eve wrestled with a demon and lost. Adam didn’t even have the guts to do that.

– Mark L. Chance.

Do you think Eve was a blonde? She is always depicted as being blonde. That might explain why she is less culpable.

MaggieOH

 

[TheGarg]

Let’s not forget folks that, God might not have actually been so upset, had Adam not have tried to turn the blame for his and his woman’s transgression…I’m thinking that was the clincher…

 

[Joe_Kelley]

K-McD:

I thought it interesting why God sent them away from the Tree of Life. According to scripture, God sent the man and women out of the Garden so they won’t eat of the tree of life. If they were to eat of the tree of life they would live forever in their sinful state. God was showing them His love and mercy by not allowing them to remain in their sinful state. Pretty Cool!!

Note that if they ate of the Tree of Life not only they but their descendents would have lived for ever.

Thus their descendent Jesus could not have died to obtain forgiveness for them

.

 

[TheGarg]

TheGarg:

Let’s not forget folks that, God might not have actually been so upset, had Adam not have tried to turn the blame for his and his woman’s transgression…I’m thinking that was the clincher…

Allow me to rephrase that:
Let’s not forget folks that, God might not have actually been so upset, had Adam not have tried to turn the blame for his and his woman’s transgression back towards God…I’m thinking that was the clincher…

 

[BayCityRickL]

SPOKENWORD:

Just curious,who do you blame? God Bless

Perhaps more to the point, what does the scripture say?..

Well, the first thing is that the serpent was cursed by God.

And, Adam and Eve were expelled from the garden. I’ve read that the tree of life was meant literally as far as the context goes. That is, if Adam and Eve had eaten of it from time to time, their lives would have been extended indefinitely. So, by exclusion from the garden and being blocked by the cherubim, they would suffer the fate of eventual death. So, God’s warningn of death was fulfilled.

So, like good Calvinists, we should accept the fact that we are all guilty of sin. It’s like asking who should we blame for Christ’s death? The Jews? The Romans? obviously not.

 

[BayCityRickL]

JKirkLVNV:

Eve. Absolutely Eve. Adam was just standing around scratching and waiting for the halftime show to be over.

Oh, c’mon. He must have been in the wrong line for food in the casino, at the very least.

 

[BayCityRickL]

MaggieOH:

Do you think Eve was a blonde? She is always depicted as being blonde. That might explain why she is less culpable.

MaggieOH

That’s pretty creative thinking. Perhaps the devil appeared very beautiful in appearance, perhaps almost as a man, maybe looking deceptively like Adam.

 

[roymckenzie]

BayCityRickL:

Perhaps more to the point, what does the scripture say?..

Well, the first thing is that the serpent was cursed by God.

And, Adam and Eve were expelled from the garden. I’ve read that the tree of life was meant literally as far as the context goes. That is, if Adam and Eve had eaten of it from time to time, their lives would have been extended indefinitely. So, by exclusion from the garden and being blocked by the cherubim, they would suffer the fate of eventual death. So, God’s warningn of death was fulfilled.

So, like good Calvinists, we should accept the fact that we are all guilty of sin. It’s like asking who should we blame for Christ’s death? The Jews? The Romans? obviously not.

Oh, that one is way to easy you should blame me for the death of Christ. I sinned I confessed then I sin again. Not only am I responsible for his death but I am responsible for all of his suffering.

As for Adam and Eve, if we as men are to love our wives as Jesus loves the church, then simply Adam had a responsibility to be a man to be a leader. Adam had the responsibility to protect Eve to the point of laying down his life for her.
God, he is the one!

 

[serendipity]

Both, but to a greater degree Adam, as it was his job to guard Eden against intruders. I was just reading about this in A Father Who Keeps His Promises last night, which gave me a deeper perspective…one that everyone here probably already had.

Adam was the one told directly by God about not eating the fruit. Eve was only told by Adam. But apparently the term for the wrod serpant used in that passage does not generally refer to your garden variety snake, but is more often used to describe Leviathans and dragon-like monsters that drip with venom. Which made more sense to me because in English part of the the curse says and you shall crawl on your belly…but then what was he doing before if that was part of the curse?

And the verbs used in Hebrew with which the serpent addresses Eve are in second form plural, which means that Adam was there but saying nothing.

Hahn’s interpretation fo the scene suggests the role that infleciton that might have been in the serpent’s word, that when slimy said you will not die it might have been implied that you will not die if you eat the fruit (and if you dont’ eat the fruit I will eat you may have been understood).

Neither Adam nor Eve asked God for help, and despite the fact that they told (Adam told directly by God) that he would not die, he feared death, so they ate…which is apparently the proto-type for Christ, not fearing death, so he lived forever.

And then having done the deed, they did not immediately beg God’s forgiveness and implore his mercy, but instead they hid. So the more relevant questions seem to be, not the act of disobedience itself, but more the fact that eating the fruit indicated that they did not believe God’s assurance that they would live forever (they lacked faith), or maybe even more than that, that they lacked trust in God’s mercy that he would forgive them if they confessed and demonstrated contrition for thier act.

 

[gardenswithkids]

Well, I’m glad they did it and not me. Imagine if they hadn’t sinned, and the world was perfect. Then here comes me, years and years later, and I pick the fruit off the tree. “Ooops, sorry guys. I really didn’t mean to wreck the world.”

So many of you have such profound and well studied points. I find great joy in the knowledge posted here in the forums! (Sorry guys, I didn’t mean to wreck your forum.)

 

[SweetPea]

They were equally at fault since they both received the command from God and both disobeyed.

(Interestingly, both tried to shirk the blame: Eve blamed the serpent and Adam blamed Eve…and so it goes)

 

[roymckenzie]

SweetPea:

They were equally at fault since they both received the command from God and both disobeyed.

(Interestingly, both tried to shirk the blame: Eve blamed the serpent and Adam blamed Eve…and so it goes)

I am not sure that they both received the command I believe it was God that told Adam. It may be just my translation but I do not believe so.