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The Bible account of Adam and Eve is interesting
Genesis : 3.
Now the serpent spoke to the woman, “Why did God command you not to eat of every tree in Paradise?” The woman replied, of all the Trees in Paradise we do eat, but of the Tree of Life and the Tree of knowledge of Good and Evil we are forbidden, for to do so we might die.

And the Serpent said to the woman: No you shall not die the Death for God does not want you to have the knowledge of Good and Evil because then you will be as God knowing Good and Evil !

Then the woman viewed the tree and saw that it was delightful to behold and the fruit was fair to the eyes and looked good to eat, and she took from the tree and did eat, she then went to Adam who also did eat.

[Genesis 3 : 9-14]
“And the Lord God called Adam: where are you ? “
Adam replied: “I heard you coming into the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked, so I hid from you”
The Lord God said to Adam, “Who told you that you were naked” …? obviously, you have disobeyed, and eaten the fruit, I commanded you not to eat.
Adam replied; The woman you gave to be my helper, gave me the fruit, and I ate.

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Eve sinned, then informed Adam what she had done. Adam was not tempted
by Satan, yet he succumbed, possibly fearing separation of Eve.
Eve believed Satan and sinned, Adam chose to love Eve rather than God, or
Adam valued companionship more than God. Eve on the other hand did not
come to Adam and relay what the serpent had told her, instead, she did the
sin first, and then came to Adam, indicating, she expected to have power over Adam, by doing, what the serpent told her to do.

Satan in the form of serpent, lied to Eve, telling her, that she would be as God… if she had the knowledge of Good and Evil. Eve did not come to Adam, to inform him of what the serpent had said, but instead, she ate the fruit first, possibly believing that by doing so, she would reverse roles, and have by her new knowledge, dominion or power over Adam, but having experienced the loss of Grace, due to her Sin, she probably panicked, and then confessed to Adam what she had done.

Adam possibly, would have “horrified” by her revelation, then fearing the loss of his love, chose to do the same Sin. Since they were now both in mortal Sin, Satan had its influence in them, suggesting… that since The Holy Trinity is One God, they must go further, and enter each other. When they compounded the first sin, they were filled with Shame, Self Disgust, and Guilt, therefore unable to face the Lord God, they attempted to hide.

When questioned by the Lord God, they both attempted to proportion blame. Therefore they were unrepentant and suffered the consequences of un-repented Sin.

John the Baptist was put into prison and subsequently executed for pointing out to Herod his sin of adultery.

Christ states: Matt. 19:9.

“And I say to you, that whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committed adultery”

Adultery is a most serious sin, because it is repeating “Original Sin” done by Adam and Eve. To understand the enormity of this sin, we read in Genesis that Adam and Eve covered their shame, and attempted to hide from the Lord God in self disgust.

Adam and Eve before the fall, would have been like two young children, and having eaten the forbidden fruit, and believing the promise of Satan… that they would become as God… by being in each other… because “The Holy Trinity is One God”.

To inkling “Original Sin” is to see two young children, attempting sexual intercourse !

God used this evil act to good purpose, by making it be the product of the evolution of Man in the Holy Sacrament of Marriage in the context of the Family, which is the nucleus of the Church and the State.

Sexual intercourse outside of marriage, is genital intrusion of bodies for lust, which is one of the Seven Deadly Sins. It would seem that the Church today does not stress the seriousness of this sin, and the need to Repent. The State now recognises adultery and has new terminology for: “Your Partner”“The One Parent Family”“The Lone Parent”

The Church also closes its eyes to the fact, that many young people are living in sin, with the consent of Catholic Parents, and are not being called upon to Repent, by stopping, and living apart for a time before seeking the Holy Sacrament of Marriage.

These facts are borne out by the increasing numbers of children born out of wedlock.
Then there are those in “Second Relationships” [adultery] being given communion !

Surely we have a duty to point out the grievousness, and the damning consequences of un-repented sin. The Priesthood proves through the gift of celibacy, that no matter what the circumstances, the sin of adultery can never be justified.
 
Can you document where the Church condones adultery? Just because a certain sin is permeateing our society does not mean that the Church is closing her eyes to these issues. From the beginning of time and through the time of Christ and until the end of time there will be sin. There will also be those in the clergy who will choose to side on complacency and seem to give in to immoral decisions made by the laity. this, however, does not change the official teachings of Holy Mother Church. The Catholic Church had always taught repentance and is the only Christian group that still utilizes Jesus’ institution of the Sacrament of Reconciliation.

One should be cautious when faulting the Church for our sinful nature since it was Jesus who called sinners to the Church that he founded. Yes, we are called to repent and turn away from sin. Perhaps you missed why we celebrate Lent…teachccd
 
When a Priest knows that a couple are living in sin and continues to administer the sacrament of marriage to them.

It is blatanly obvious that the official teaching of the Church is being ignored by Priests in this and other regards today.

The vast majority recieve communion few go to confession !

Lent is a time of prayer and penance to demonstrate to our Lord Jesus our sorrow for sins done in the past and a resolve never to sin again.

Pax vobis

Antonious
 
When a Priest knows that a couple are living in sin and continues to administer the sacrament of marriage to them.

It is blatanly obvious that the official teaching of the Church is being ignored by Priests in this and other regards today.

The vast majority recieve communion few go to confession !

Lent is a time of prayer and penance to demonstrate to our Lord Jesus our sorrow for sins done in the past and a resolve never to sin again.
Pax vobis

Antonious
How does that square up with you being a lapsed Catholic? A lapsed Catholic is in a state of mortal sin.
 
Can you document where the Church condones adultery? Just because a certain sin is permeateing our society does not mean that the Church is closing her eyes to these issues. From the beginning of time and through the time of Christ and until the end of time there will be sin. There will also be those in the clergy who will choose to side on complacency and seem to give in to immoral decisions made by the laity. this, however, does not change the official teachings of Holy Mother Church. The Catholic Church had always taught repentance and is the only Christian group that still utilizes Jesus’ institution of the Sacrament of Reconciliation.

One should be cautious when faulting the Church for our sinful nature since it was Jesus who called sinners to the Church that he founded. Yes, we are called to repent and turn away from sin. Perhaps you missed why we celebrate Lent…teachccd
REPENTANCE

It would seem that some have lost the sense of sin and the need to repent.

Repentance is a hatred of sin because it is an offence to God.
The motive for repenting is love of God. To repent of evil doing, because of mental suffering, or social loss, is not sincere repentance, because it is selfish, e.g. Judas Iscariot repented to the High Priests, by returning the thirty pieces of silver he had been paid for betraying Christ. He was not motivated by his love for God, but by his self disgust, for having betrayed Christ.

Adam and Eve were expelled from the garden of paradise, because sin cannot coexist with God. While God is infinitely merciful, God has no tolerance of sin. To enter Heaven we must be sincere in repentance. It is noteworthy that Adam sinned [disobedience] because he feared God would take Eve, and leave him alone in the garden, therefore he valued companionship more than his love for God…impossible for Adam to repent at this time. For the Soul to be truly repentant it must be sincere, with a resolve not to sin again. Self - denial, i.e. Penance, shows sincerity to God. The effect of sincere repentance is peace and calm of conscience with intense consolation of soul.

The soul is reconciled to God by true repentance, which means confessing all mortal sins done by the penitent; repentance is made void, by refusing to admit a particular sin.
Some people experience great distress and anxiety wanting to confess their sins to a person strong enough to listen and understand, and not to despise them for the sins they have done. We are not ashamed to sin, but often we are ashamed to confess. It is vital for salvation that we obtain forgiveness of sins through the Sacrament of reconciliation.
Repentance is always necessary to be reconciled to God.

When Adam and Eve sinned they tried to hide from the Creator because of self disgust guilt and remorse but they were unrepentant, they blamed. Adam blamed Eve and Eve blamed the devil in the form of a serpent. The reason for their denial was fear, fear of the consequences of having offended God. Their denial meant loss of Paradise because whenever in the future, if they sinned, they would deny.

This harsh chastisement was necessary to prove positive repentance in the future, in the hope, on reflection they would admit to having sinned. So began a history of relationship between God and Man culminating in the gift of the Church to the followers of Christ, this wonderful gift of Christ included the power to forgive sins.
It is the natural state of Man to sin, that is why we need to define Human Rights, if it is not a sin, then it is a Right. However the Sacrament of Reconciliation helps us to overcome our nature and achieve holiness of not sinning.

Luke 15:7.

“There is more joy in Heaven when one sinner repents, than ninety nine just people doing good deeds, who have no need of repentance”
John 20. 22-23.

When he had said this , He breathed on them; and He said to them, receive the
Holy Spirit.
Whose sins you shall forgive they are forgiven them; and whose sins you shall retain,
they are retained.

John 8 : 3-11.

And the Scribes and the Pharisees bring a Woman to him who had been caught in the act of Adultery and they placed her in the middle of the gathering.

And they said to him: Master, this woman has just been caught in the act of adultery, and according to the law she should be stoned to death for this sin, but what do you say ?

They said this to trap him so that they could accuse him of disagreeing with Moses.

Christ leaned down and wrote with his finger on the ground saying:
Let him among you that is without sin throw the first stone.
Then beginning with the eldest they all walked away.

He then lifted himself up and said to her, where are they that accused thee ? has no man condemned thee ? She replied no man, neither will I, but go now and sin no more.

Matthew 5. 27-28.

You have heard that it was commanded to them of old: Thou will not commit the sin of adultery, but I say to you that who ever looks at a woman to lust after her, has already done the sin of adultery in his heart
 
How does that square up with you being a lapsed Catholic? A lapsed Catholic is in a state of mortal sin.
It equates in hypocrisy. It’s also arrogance in telling God’s Church that He protects, that it is wrong, and the one who rejected the Church is right. So, we see the self absorbed can have self righteousness. Can the self righteous provide everlasting life for themselves, because it may not be there for them otherwise, considering the prospect of dying with mortal sin on the soul.
 
It equates in hypocrisy. It’s also arrogance in telling God’s Church that He protects, that it is wrong, and the one who rejected the Church is right. So, we see the self absorbed can have self righteousness. Can the self righteous provide everlasting life for themselves, because it may not be there for them otherwise, considering the prospect of dying with mortal sin on the soul.
It is hypocritical to deny Truth, you are in denial !

Antonious
 
It is hypocritical to deny Truth, you are in denial !

Antonious
It’s not necessarily hypocritical, so perhaps a good reading of the dictionary would be of some assistance to you. Neither am I in denial, as I discuss the truth openly and seek it. Truth is a description of reality. The ultimate Reality is God. Another reality is that God built His One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. The truth is that you’re claiming to be lapsed. Why do you reject God’s Church… are you afraid of the truth, or just that you think you’re smarter than our Lord?
 
NO what…?
No, you don’t want to believe in the Church built by Christ?
No, you don’t want to receive those Christ sent? So, therefore you reject Christ.
No, you are afraid of the Truth?
No, you want to have your own truth instead of the real truth?

… NO what?
 
It’s not necessarily hypocritical, so perhaps a good reading of the dictionary would be of some assistance to you. Neither am I in denial, as I discuss the truth openly and seek it. Truth is a description of reality. The ultimate Reality is God. Another reality is that God built His One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. The truth is that you’re claiming to be lapsed. Why do you reject God’s Church… are you afraid of the truth, or just that you think you’re smarter than our Lord?
There but for the grace of God go I.

Antonious
 
There but for the grace of God go I.

Antonious
Not that you understand yet, but the grace you misuse leads you to seek denigration of the truth. You call darkness light, and light darkness. However, you perhaps have some grace which leads you here to those who can teach you. To truly receive God’s grace requires obedience to Him. By rejecting those whom Christ sent, you are not being obedient, and so how will you receive Grace from God, and learn the truth that we have learned through listening to those whom Christ sent? Why do you reject God’s Church… are you afraid of the truth, or just that you think you’re smarter than our Lord?
 
The answer to the question is NO
It’s fair to say there was a question, but which one? You didn’t identify. So,

No, you don’t want to believe in the Church built by Christ?
No, you don’t want to receive those Christ sent? So, therefore you reject Christ.
No, you are afraid of the Truth?
No, you want to have your own truth instead of the real truth?

… NO to what question?
 
Marital adultery has the usual definition. Perhaps the OP has “spiritual adultery” in mind with regard to A&E.

I’m reading a Jewish commentary on Genesis and their rebellion was not described as adultery, in any sense.

It is the Church’s job to evangelize the world for Christ. It has a big job to do, and the Church includes all practicing baptized believers. Even unbaptized people who recognize the truth and teaching of Jesus Christ should be trying to evangelize the world, this is true.

It may be at least AS relevent to consider the condemnation of the “world” in Noah’s time, when all mankind was destroyed, save for Noah, his wife, three sons and their wives, plus the animals.

The basis for the condemnation of humanity was the sinfulness of humanity, largely the sins against what we call “natural law” – things that we ought to know are wrong, like killing people or adultery or making and worshipping idols instead of the true God, etc. - things that are evil, even without the benefit of organized religion.

Satan is generally described as, amongst other things, as the lawless one. Lawlessness is evil. All people should know this, at least beyond a certain time in their life.
 
REPENTANCE

It would seem that some have lost the sense of sin and the need to repent.

Repentance is a hatred of sin because it is an offence to God.
The motive for repenting is love of God. To repent of evil doing, because of mental suffering, or social loss, is not sincere repentance, because it is selfish, e.g. Judas Iscariot repented to the High Priests, by returning the thirty pieces of silver he had been paid for betraying Christ. He was not motivated by his love for God, but by his self disgust, for having betrayed Christ.

Adam and Eve were expelled from the garden of paradise, because sin cannot coexist with God. While God is infinitely merciful, God has no tolerance of sin. To enter Heaven we must be sincere in repentance. It is noteworthy that Adam sinned [disobedience] because he feared God would take Eve, and leave him alone in the garden, therefore he valued companionship more than his love for God…impossible for Adam to repent at this time. For the Soul to be truly repentant it must be sincere, with a resolve not to sin again. Self - denial, i.e. Penance, shows sincerity to God. The effect of sincere repentance is peace and calm of conscience with intense consolation of soul.

The soul is reconciled to God by true repentance, which means confessing all mortal sins done by the penitent; repentance is made void, by refusing to admit a particular sin.
Some people experience great distress and anxiety wanting to confess their sins to a person strong enough to listen and understand, and not to despise them for the sins they have done. We are not ashamed to sin, but often we are ashamed to confess. It is vital for salvation that we obtain forgiveness of sins through the Sacrament of reconciliation.
Repentance is always necessary to be reconciled to God.

When Adam and Eve sinned they tried to hide from the Creator because of self disgust guilt and remorse but they were unrepentant, they blamed. Adam blamed Eve and Eve blamed the devil in the form of a serpent. The reason for their denial was fear, fear of the consequences of having offended God. Their denial meant loss of Paradise because whenever in the future, if they sinned, they would deny.

This harsh chastisement was necessary to prove positive repentance in the future, in the hope, on reflection they would admit to having sinned. So began a history of relationship between God and Man culminating in the gift of the Church to the followers of Christ, this wonderful gift of Christ included the power to forgive sins.
It is the natural state of Man to sin, that is why we need to define Human Rights, if it is not a sin, then it is a Right. However the Sacrament of Reconciliation helps us to overcome our nature and achieve holiness of not sinning.

Luke 15:7.

“There is more joy in Heaven when one sinner repents, than ninety nine just people doing good deeds, who have no need of repentance”
John 20. 22-23.

When he had said this , He breathed on them; and He said to them, receive the
Holy Spirit.
Whose sins you shall forgive they are forgiven them; and whose sins you shall retain,
they are retained.

John 8 : 3-11.

And the Scribes and the Pharisees bring a Woman to him who had been caught in the act of Adultery and they placed her in the middle of the gathering.

And they said to him: Master, this woman has just been caught in the act of adultery, and according to the law she should be stoned to death for this sin, but what do you say ?

They said this to trap him so that they could accuse him of disagreeing with Moses.

Christ leaned down and wrote with his finger on the ground saying:
Let him among you that is without sin throw the first stone.
Then beginning with the eldest they all walked away.

He then lifted himself up and said to her, where are they that accused thee ? has no man condemned thee ? She replied no man, neither will I, but go now and sin no more.

Matthew 5. 27-28.

You have heard that it was commanded to them of old: Thou will not commit the sin of adultery, but I say to you that who ever looks at a woman to lust after her, has already done the sin of adultery in his heart
Very well said. You know your scripture and are very impressive with your knowledge of repentance.

Now let me again ask you where you find that the Church teaches that adultery is acceptable? You continue to blast out the objections that all Catholics should have with this sin but you fail to back up your claim that the Church “closes its eyes” to this sin.

You identify yourself as a lapsed Catholic and perhaps you have a personal grudge against the Church. As much as I wish that I could, I cannot help you with that on this forum. But I can uphold Church teachings and I can state what it is that the Church teaches. Your claim is invalid and your grudges cannot and will not create a Church to match your ideals.

You can lean your head on my shoulder but I will not support your imagined perspectives…God Bless…teachccd
 
Well, I must say as (name removed by moderator) has implied I completely disagree with your reading of Genesis.

There is ample evidence in the New Testament and in the words of Our Lord to condemn adultery without corrupting the beautiful and true meaning of Genesis.
 
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