Adam and eve.

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Hi here is a question. Or a ponderment
I try and make it simple.
Did the garden of Eden cover the entire earth? I don’t think it did as Adam and eve were expelled from it. Where did they go? I believe the garden was a huge area on earth. Not all the earth.
Adam and eve first humans. I believe they were. But. I don’t think they were the only humans. I believe there were humans living out side of the garden.
Does anyone here think I’m off track here?
 
latin_rite said:
Hi here is a question. Or a ponderment
I try and make it simple.
Did the garden of Eden cover the entire earth? I don’t think it did as Adam and eve were expelled from it. Where did they go? I believe the garden was a huge area on earth. Not all the earth.
Adam and eve first humans. I believe they were. But. I don’t think they were the only humans. I believe there were humans living out side of the garden.
Does anyone here think I’m off track here?
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Do you believe that we are all descended from Adam and Eve?
 
I’m a firm monogenist. The doctrine of original sin seems to work a lot nicer when you don’t have to worry about other people at that time who may or may not have sinned.

Plus Pope Pius XII in Humani Generis gives strong support to monogenism.
 
Maybe over the millions of years that they spent in the garden. Adam and eve had kids. Who were sent out into the world once they matured.
 
latin_rite said:
Maybe over the millions of years that they spent in the garden. Adam and eve had kids. Who were sent out into the world once they matured.
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Of course they had children. Haven’t you read the Bible? Haven’t you heard of Cain and Abel?
 
latin_rite said:
Hi here is a question. Or a ponderment
I try and make it simple.
Did the garden of Eden cover the entire earth? I don’t think it did as Adam and eve were expelled from it. Where did they go? I believe the garden was a huge area on earth. Not all the earth.
Adam and eve first humans. I believe they were. But. I don’t think they were the only humans. I believe there were humans living out side of the garden.
Does anyone here think I’m off track here?
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Not only are Adam and Eve the first human beings, but they are the two sole parents of the entire human species. The most important thing about the Garden of Eden is that it is the location where Adam and Eve lived in friendship with God, their Creator. :hug3:

Blessings,
granny

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Look, it’s simple. If you want to know more about the Garden of Eden, ask the angel guarding the gates to it with a flaming sword. He happens to be right up on such things 😉
 
Voice_of_Reason said:
Look, it’s simple. If you want to know more about the Garden of Eden, ask the angel guarding the gates to it with a flaming sword. He happens to be right up on such things 😉
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Garden, Schmarden! 😛

The best thing about the whole episode is that we inherited Adam’s human nature. This means that we are rational/corporeal, spirit/matter, soul/body in one glorious unified person.
Just like Adam, we have the powers of intellect and will so that we can seek God and choose His friendship.

Come to think of it, maybe the OP is on to something. Maybe the earthly delights of nature’s beauty are remnants of the Garden. Ah, one says. Beauty is a path to God.

Blessings,
granny

Human life is meant for eternal life.
 
latin_rite said:
Hi here is a question. Or a ponderment
I try and make it simple.
Did the garden of Eden cover the entire earth? I don’t think it did as Adam and eve were expelled from it. Where did they go? I believe the garden was a huge area on earth. Not all the earth.
Adam and eve first humans. I believe they were. But. I don’t think they were the only humans. I believe there were humans living out side of the garden.
Does anyone here think I’m off track here?
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In other words – the OP is questioning the Catholic teaching that Adam and Eve are the true parents of the human race.

What is “off track” as the OP asks – is the reference to humans inside and outside the garden as if humanity began as a large population wandering about the earth trying to make it on their own. However, this large population theory is based on a materialistic view. Thus, it cannot account for our spiritual soul.

As Catholics, how do we respond?

As Catholics, we believe that Divine Revelation trumps. This is because the Founder of the Catholic Church is the One God Who is Truth. Thus, it follows that there is one true divine plan of creation, redemption, and salvation for all.

The truth of salvation is given in the mystery of Jesus Christ, the Incarnate Second Person of the Triune God. He is “the Way, the Truth, and the Life.” (*John 3: 16-17; John 14: 5-6; *
Colossians 2: 4-10)
Through Jesus Christ and through the sending of the Holy Spirit (*John 16: 12-15) *Divine Revelation is full and complete even if the depth of Divine Mystery remains inexhaustible.
(CCC 65-66; CCC 84-90)

The truth is that every individual alive today will have eternal life. No one has been able to subtract anything from our nature because we are descended solely from the originally created human being.

We are called to share, by knowledge and love, in God’s own life. (CCC 356-361) Because of our spiritual soul, we are able to know and love God, our Creator. We are free to choose or decline eternal life with Him in perfect love.

We know that no human being can be excluded from the friendship of God because we all descended from the first human being created by God and known as Adam in the Book of Genesis. The whole human race is in Adam as “one body of one man.” (CCC 404) Because of its common origin, the human race forms a unity based on its position in nature as an unique species different in kind from all others. This law of human solidarity, which does not exclude any of the rich variety of persons and cultures, assures us that all are truly brethren. (CCC 360-361)

In His love for Adam, God created Eve as sharing the same human nature.
(CCC 369-373) In marriage, God unites men and women in such a way that, by forming “one flesh” they can transmit human life. Our soul is created by God. (CCC 1934) Thus, all of us are spirit and matter, rational and corporeal, soul and body with the same spiritual gifts of intellect and will which were given to Adam and Eve.

The Garden of Eden emphasizes the special creation of Adam. Here Adam and Eve lived in God’s friendship by freely choosing to be in submission to their Creator. The tragedy is that Adam abused his gift of freedom and preferred himself over and against God and against the requirements of his creaturely status. By his act of disobedience, Adam, the created one, scorned his Creator. (CCC 397-404)

Yet, God did not abandon Adam and Eve. He immediately promised the Messiah and Redeemer. Because we are the descendents of Adam and Eve, God’s promise applies to each and every one throughout history. In ways known to Himself, God touches the souls of all who seek truth.

“For God so loved the world that He gave His only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him might not perish but might have eternal life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world might be saved through Him” (John 3: 16-17)

Link to the Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC) www.scborromeo.org/ccc.htm

Blessings,
granny

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latin_rite said:
Hi here is a question. Or a ponderment
I try and make it simple.
Did the garden of Eden cover the entire earth? I don’t think it did as Adam and eve were expelled from it. Where did they go? I believe the garden was a huge area on earth. Not all the earth.
Adam and eve first humans. I believe they were. But. I don’t think they were the only humans. I believe there were humans living out side of the garden.
Does anyone here think I’m off track here?
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What happened to Adam and Eve?

There has always been speculation as to the location of the Garden of Eden and there will always be speculation as to where the first humans lived and the routes they took to populate the world. Considering today’s world population it is hard to imagine how all of us came to be descended from two sole parents, Adam and Eve.

To understand the reality of Adam and Eve, one should start with an understanding of creation. The Catholic Church considers the first three chapters of Genesis as occupying an unique place among all the Scriptures. In their solemn language, these chapters express the truths of creation – its origin in God, its order and goodness, the drama of sin, and the hope of salvation.
(CCC 289)

Adam, the first human person, is the summit of creation as Genesis clearly distinguishes humanity from that of all other creatures. Eve was created in equality. Man and woman have the same dignity “in the image of God.” In their “being-man” and “being-woman,” they reflect the Creator’s wisdom and goodness. They lived in the friendship of God. Adam had received original holiness and justice not for himself alone, but for all human descendents.
(CCC 343; 369-373; 404))

“God created man in His image; in the divine image He created him; male and female He created them. God blessed them saying: 'Be fertile and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it.”
(Genesis 1: 26-31) Unfortunately, this plan was interrupted when Adam abused his gift of freedom. By his act of disobedience, Adam, the created one, scorned his Creator.
(CCC 396- 404) The Garden was closed. But God’s plan for the procreation of the human species remained. “The man called his wife Eve, because she became the mother of all the living.”
(Genesis 3: 20-24)

Adam and Eve entered the world as an unique and distinct species, totally different in kind from the rest of creation. While their bodies consisted of matter, their nature was an intimate unification of matter and spirit, corporeal and rational, body and soul.

It was with God’s blessing that their family expanded generation to generation.

Blessings,
granny

All human life is sacred.
 
latin_rite said:
Hi here is a question. Or a ponderment. I try and make it simple. Did the garden of Eden cover the entire earth? I don’t think it did as Adam and eve were expelled from it. Where did they go? I believe the garden was a huge area on earth. Not all the earth. Adam and eve first humans. I believe they were. But. I don’t think they were the only humans. I believe there were humans living out side of the garden. Does anyone here think I’m off track here?
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The ancestors of the human race diverged form their common ancestor with chimpanzees about five million years ago. Homo sapiens arose over the course off millions of years, emerging into self-consciousness around 150,000 years ago. There were about 3,000-10,000 breeding pairs of humans as our species emerged into consciousness.

The stories of the Garden of Eden and of Adam and Eve, are wonderful biblical stories that we celebrate in our theology, lour liturgy, and our iconography.

StAnastasia
 
StAnastasia said:
The ancestors of the human race diverged form their common ancestor with chimpanzees about five million years ago. Homo sapiens arose over the course off millions of years, emerging into self-consciousness around 150,000 years ago. There were about 3,000-10,000 breeding pairs of humans as our species emerged into consciousness.

The stories of the Garden of Eden and of Adam and Eve, are wonderful biblical stories that we celebrate in our theology, lour liturgy, and our iconography.

StAnastasia
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As we learn more about chimps and human genetics this is unsustainable.
 
catholic1seeks said:
So where does this put original sin?
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Original sin has been–is–will always be the first time that the first true, fully complete human being scorned his Creator by disobedience.

Blessings,
granny

All human life has descended from two sole parents.
 
latin_rite said:
Hi here is a question. Or a ponderment
I try and make it simple.
Did the garden of Eden cover the entire earth? I don’t think it did as Adam and eve were expelled from it. Where did they go? I believe the garden was a huge area on earth. Not all the earth.
Adam and eve first humans. I believe they were. But. I don’t think they were the only humans. I believe there were humans living out side of the garden.
Does anyone here think I’m off track here?
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You’re off track in believing that some humans existed that were not descended from Adam and Eve. That is where you are off track. ALL humans descend from Adam and Eve.
 
StAnastasia said:
There were about 3,000-10,000 breeding pairs of humans as our species emerged into consciousness.

StAnastasia
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With total respect to the ban on evolution/atheism, there will only be discussion on this thread’s topic which is the one breeding pair of Adam and Eve.

Most people believe that reality supersedes theory.

Obviously, there have been many breeding pairs in the history of creation which formed different species, e.g., frogs, monkeys, hominids, maybe centaurs and unicorns, some of which exist currently.

The reality is that there is only one species, the human one, which is so completely different from all others that its primary characteristics are not found in any other species which formed from miscellaneous breeding pairs. Thus, there could only be one breeding pair, Adam and Eve, who procreated the entire human species.

In other words, if any other kind of breeding pair had the same primary characteristics as current humans, these primary characteristics would be evident in other current species. These primary characteristics are absolutely not found in any other species. Therefore, there could be only one human breeding pair.

Blessings,
granny

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grannymh said:
In other words, if any other kind of breeding pair had the same primary characteristics as current humans, these primary characteristics would be evident in other current species. These primary characteristics are absolutely not found in any other species. Therefore, there could be only one human breeding pair.

I’m sorry Granny, but it would probably be helpful for you to learn about the basic genetics involved. Hominids and the other great apes diverged from their common ancestral background around five to seven million years ago. The hominid line continued to evolve and ramify, until humans emerged around 150,000 years ago. They evolved collectively as a population, not being “poofed” into existence as one single pair named Adam and Eve. To reject this genetic history is to reject basic science, which Catholics are not required to do…

Of course, we share 98.4% of our genes and numerous characteristics with chimps. Humans also evolved some unique and important characteristics, including rationality, moral awareness, and spiritual sensitivity, or “God awareness.”

Blessings,
StAnastasia
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