Adam and family tree

[Reuben_J]

Thanks all for your answers/thoughts.

I’m not bothered by evolution to much, and as it can’t be discussed on these forums it’s no big deal.
Thinking on tracing tribal lineage back to the Jewish story of Adam and Eve, it’s a theory? that our first humans lived in Africa? There is much information about creation myths, and the Jewish story of creation was the jewish writer recognising that there was only one God, were as in African creation myths (which there are a number) they in some myths tell of more than one God.
So if we came “out of Africa” why would there be so many creation myths from within Africa, if the first two people living in the garden knew the one God?

I thought maybe as we are unsure of the actual time of the first humans, so many thousands of years pass by and people add to and take away from stories pasted on by word of mouth.

But I always wondered about Jerusalem being the New City, if the Garden may have been in Africa wouldn’t that be where the new city would be?

As an after thought to my O.P I realised that the tribes could trace their lineage back, or at least talk of the same first man/woman, they would just have different names

Thanks

I think this is a subject that we just do not know. And we are told Genesis is not meant to be scientific nor historical, which is what our mind tries to do when we want to figure it out.

Nobody can trace their lineage back to the first man. But oop, the Bible does for Jesus.

What and who was Adam? Was he a prehistoric man? Or was he simply the first human with a soul?

 

[GEddie]

I think this is a subject that we just do not know. And we are told Genesis is not meant to be scientific nor historical, which is what our mind tries to do when we want to figure it out.

Nobody can trace their lineage back to the first man. But oop, the Bible does for Jesus.

What and who was Adam? Was he a prehistoric man? Or was he simply the first human with a soul?

The second, AIUI, it is the rational soul that makes us human, rather than the details of anatomy.

Physically, we do have a proportionally large head; but that is important primarily to hold the human mind.

ICXC NIKA

 

[grannymh]

I think this is a subject that we just do not know. And we are told Genesis is not meant to be scientific nor historical, which is what our mind tries to do when we want to figure it out.

Nobody can trace their lineage back to the first man. But oop, the Bible does for Jesus.

What and who was Adam? Was he a prehistoric man? Or was he simply the first human with a soul?

The Catholic Church says that the first three chapters of Genesis contain Divine Revelation. Genesis 1: 26-27 is a prime example.

The Catholic Church, with the guidance of the Holy Spirit (chapter 14, Gospel of John) teaches that Adam is the first true human being in whom is the whole human race “as one body of one man.” (paragraph 404,* Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition*)

When one reads, with an open mind, about Adam in the first three chapters, one discovers a number of Catholic truths flowing from those amazing verses. The seed for the Divinity of Jesus Christ comes from those chapters. Some look to Genesis 3:15. CCC 410-411 has a good explanation.

Adam with his spouse Eve are the actual founders of humankind.

 

[solarguy17]

Technically you would trace your history back to Noah as a 1 man (since he was the father of the only 3 surviving families. And then the lineage from Noah to Adam with the Biblical record.

 

[arthra]

I think this is the right place for this question :

If all the tribes, people in the world, traced their family tree lineage, would they all trace it back to Adam?

I know that researching our family trees can be difficult, but I was thinking more about tribal people, who they say was their founder of the tribe.

Any answers, ideas, thoughts?

Thanks.

The Baha’i Writings suggest that we are all derived from a common stock…

*O Thou kind Lord! Thou hast created all humanity from the same stock. Thou hast decreed that all shall belong to the same household. In Thy Holy Presence they are all Thy servants, and all mankind are sheltered beneath Thy Tabernacle; all have gathered together at Thy Table of Bounty; all are illumined through the light of Thy Providence.
*

~ Abdu’l-Baha, The Promulgation of Universal Peace, p. 99

Just as the Sun, the image of God the Almighty, lavishes upon all creatures and things so benignantly its ever fostering radiance and helps them to the consummation of their respective natures, so will we human beings in whose purified hearts the omnipresent God comes to dwell, never fail to behave with deep iove and overflowing sympathy towards one another since God will infallibly convince us that we are all the offspring of one common stock. From this unshakable belief there will gradually emerge the grand idea of the spiritual unity of mankind.

(BW - Baha'i World Volumes, Volume  5, p. 639)

and

“Genetic studies and fossil evidence show that archaic Homo sapiens evolved to anatomically modern humans solely in Africa between 200,000 and 60,000 years ago”

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recent_African_origin_of_modern_humans

 

[grannymh]

The unity of mankind is an essential universal truth. This truth is beautifully expressed in the Baha’i Writings . Thank you.

The Catholic religion teaches in paragraph 361, Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition
**361 **“This law of human solidarity and charity”, without excluding the rich variety of persons, cultures and peoples, assures us that all men are truly brethren.

The truth which assures us that we human beings, with no exclusions, are truly brethren is that we all descended from one unique set of human parents.

 

[simpleas]

Just a thought about Jerusalem.

Jerusalem does not restore the Garden of Eden, but opens Heavenly life. It does not need to occupy the original Garden (which based on the names of the rivers, was probably in Iraq).

In any case, given its dimensions as stated in Rev., if it is literally physical and sits on the ground where earthly Jerusalem is now, it would extend into Russia in the north, Africa in the south, and past Iraq in the east.

ICXC NIKA!

Thanks.

I’ve just read an interesting piece regarding the garden being on a mountain, mostly in Palestine, and how the garden and the place of edan resembles the temples and covenants from Abraham back to Adam.

 

[simpleas]

The Baha’i Writings suggest that we are all derived from a common stock…

*O Thou kind Lord! Thou hast created all humanity from the same stock. Thou hast decreed that all shall belong to the same household. In Thy Holy Presence they are all Thy servants, and all mankind are sheltered beneath Thy Tabernacle; all have gathered together at Thy Table of Bounty; all are illumined through the light of Thy Providence.
*

~ Abdu’l-Baha, The Promulgation of Universal Peace, p. 99

Just as the Sun, the image of God the Almighty, lavishes upon all creatures and things so benignantly its ever fostering radiance and helps them to the consummation of their respective natures, so will we human beings in whose purified hearts the omnipresent God comes to dwell, never fail to behave with deep iove and overflowing sympathy towards one another since God will infallibly convince us that we are all the offspring of one common stock. From this unshakable belief there will gradually emerge the grand idea of the spiritual unity of mankind.

(BW - Baha'i World Volumes, Volume  5, p. 639)

and

“Genetic studies and fossil evidence show that archaic Homo sapiens evolved to anatomically modern humans solely in Africa between 200,000 and 60,000 years ago”

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recent_African_origin_of_modern_humans

Thanks.
Yeah I pretty much believe we are all one. My question’s aren’t so much about how we came to be humans, but more on how we ended up with various stories about creation and how each tribe has different myths about their creator, in different parts of the world, when in the hebrew scriptures, it’s very clear there is only one creator.

If we did “walk out of africa” to explore the world before or after the flood, that makes me think that the original dwelling place of the first humans would have been that part of the world, and not as described by many as in the middle east.

 

[arthra]

Thanks.
Yeah I pretty much believe we are all one. My question’s aren’t so much about how we came to be humans, but more on how we ended up with various stories about creation and how each tribe has different myths about their creator, in different parts of the world, when in the hebrew scriptures, it’s very clear there is only one creator.

If we did “walk out of africa” to explore the world before or after the flood, that makes me think that the original dwelling place of the first humans would have been that part of the world, and not as described by many as in the middle east.

I believe you can look at the differences …the variety of cultures and terms used…but these are in my view accidental.

You can also find a kind of ancient monotheism in various cultures and similar stories are told about the creation…

Wallis Budge the Egyptologist found what he believed was a kind of monotheism in ancient Egyptian scrolls…

One of the books I’d recommend to you is the “Vedic Experience” by Raimundo Panniker a Catholic priest and professor of religion…

raimon-panikkar.org/italiano/XXV-The-Vedic-Experience.html

 

[GEddie]

Thanks.
Yeah I pretty much believe we are all one. My question’s aren’t so much about how we came to be humans, but more on how we ended up with various stories about creation and how each tribe has different myths about their creator, in different parts of the world, when in the hebrew scriptures, it’s very clear there is only one creator.

If we did “walk out of africa” to explore the world before or after the flood, that makes me think that the original dwelling place of the first humans would have been that part of the world, and not as described by many as in the middle east.

If we take the narrative of the flood at face value, then its survivors landed in the Mideast: Ararat, in modern Turkey.

As to Africa, we really do not know when hominid life became human life. Even the vaunted “Lucy” was of a species distinct from our own.

ICXC NIKA

 

[grannymh]

If we take the narrative of the flood at face value, then its survivors landed in the Mideast: Ararat, in modern Turkey.

As to Africa, we really do not know when hominid life became human life. Even the vaunted “Lucy” was of a species distinct from our own.

ICXC NIKA

Regarding the current Out of Africa hypothesis. Actually, the Catholic Church knows when “life” became human. Human life began with the single first human being lovingly known as Adam.

 

[simpleas]

If we take the narrative of the flood at face value, then its survivors landed in the Mideast: Ararat, in modern Turkey.

As to Africa, we really do not know when hominid life became human life. Even the vaunted “Lucy” was of a species distinct from our own.

ICXC NIKA

Look at how many flood stories there are :

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_flood_myths

 

[benhur]

I think this is the right place for this question :

If all the tribes, people in the world, traced their family tree lineage, would they all trace it back to Adam?

I know that researching our family trees can be difficult, but I was thinking more about tribal people, who they say was their founder of the tribe.

Any answers, ideas, thoughts?

Thanks.

I remember watching a program on PBS where a scientist did just that, trace back genetically, and came to the conclusion that we all have same ancestry, and thought first parents came from Africa/Middle East.

 

[benhur]

And we are told Genesis is not meant to be scientific nor historical,

and it is neither unscientific nor unhistorical.