Adam/Eve had almost all knowledge; people forgot; prophets retold

[foolishmortal]

Adam and Eve had all knowledge, but what God would have to keep to Himself (like the end of the world’s date and who is damned or saved if dead the next second). After the Fall, mankind lost a lot of that knowledge through forgetting, but prophets would be told by God–but it tended to be in increments. This kind of stuff happens in modern times when, during the Roe V Wade period and embryonic stem cell amendment #2 , those who liked them seemed to have forgotten Nazi persecutions of those who are different from them and/or the slaveholders’ use of those conveniently dubbed “inferior” or “non-persons” for convenient use (and abuse) in the cotton fields.
For that reason, why could Creation not have happened as was written--because we have a modern reactionary fear of taken the Bible too literally? Maybe Adam knew this and it was inspired knowledge to the writer of Genesis. I think doubting the Bible's account till science or Tradition proves otherwise is not good. I think we feel we need to accept things like the Big Bang to not feel like backward people. Well, science hasn't exactly proved reliable since Piltdown Man.

 

[Liberian]

Foolish Mortal,

If Creation had happened as was written–and I mean literally–then it would have left certain traces that would be with us today but are not. It would also not have left certain traces that that are with us today. As such, present-day observations require that the Creation happened a lot longer ago than a literal reading of the Bible allows.

• Liberian

 

[estesbob]

Foolish Mortal,

If Creation had happened as was written–and I mean literally–then it would have left certain traces that would be with us today but are not. It would also not have left certain traces that that are with us today. As such, present-day observations require that the Creation happened a lot longer ago than a literal reading of the Bible allows.

• Liberian

Unless. of course, God deliberately made it look like the world was oldert than it was-as my fundamentalist friend has told me.I am not exactly sure WHY God would do this but it is a hard argument to refute.

 

[Liberian]

Estes Bob,

You’re right, at least scientifically the idea that God planted all this false evidence is not just hard, but is impossible to refute. But the idea that He did this raises the questions of why He would do it and what sort of God He is if He would do this. A God Who values truth as highly as He does would not go around deliberately deceiving us.

• Liberian

 

[jemfinch]

If Creation had happened as was written–and I mean literally–then it would have left certain traces that would be with us today but are not. It would also not have left certain traces that that are with us today.

Assuming certain presuppositions of modern science.

Such as the assumption that the amount of Carbon-14 in the atmosphere is relatively constant.

Such as the assumption that the speed of light is constant.

Etc.

Jeremy

 

[Fidelis]

Unless. of course, God deliberately made it look like the world was oldert than it was-as my fundamentalist friend has told me.I am not exactly sure WHY God would do this but it is a hard argument to refute.

The fundamentalist spin that I heard on this is that it was the Devil, rather than God, who planted confusing clues like dinosuar bones to weaken people’s faith in the literalist meaning of the Bible.

Again, hard to disprove, unless you run into Lucifer and ask him about it yourself. But, then again, he *is *the father of lies, so you probably wouldn’t get a straight answer out of him anyway…

 

[Orogeny]

Adam and Eve had all knowledge, but what God would have to keep to Himself (like the end of the world’s date and who is damned or saved if dead the next second).

???

Who could have been damned if only Adam and Eve existed and they had sanctifying grace?

Well, science hasn’t exactly proved reliable since Piltdown Man.

SCIENCE exposed Piltdown as a fraud.

Peace

Tim

 

[Jim_Baur]

I believe that biblically light means Love or Charity.

Thus the first thing God created was Love or Charity.

Also, I believe that biblically Adam and Eve’s greatest gift from God was not knowledge but Charity or Love.

Well, that is my two cents, GOD BLESS!!!

We were made in His Image and Likeness.

God is LOVE!!!

Oops, that is now four cents.

Keep the change…

 

[Liberian]

Jeremy,

Not even assuming certain presuppositions of modern science.

The constancy of the speed of light has been measured for half a century. Supposing that the speed of light had changed in such a way that it came to a constant value just as we developed our ability to measure it precisely is coincidental beyond belief.

Young-earth creationists have not worked through any of the details of their theories. If we will grant them that the speed of light may have changed, it is up to them to give a profile of speed versus time that will allow for a universe of the observed size to have formed in the required time. Since the speed of light is not an independent quantity, but is related to the electromagnetic permittivity and permeability of free space, it is also up to the young-earth creationists to tell how these quantities changed with time and what the effects were on the behavior of electronic charges.

From another direction, at latitude 33 degrees 48.123 minutes north, longitude 84 degrees 8.221 minutes west, give or take about twenty feet, there is a one-foot-by-two-foot piece of sedimentary rock (called a xenolith) embedded in the igneous intrusion that is Stone Mountain, Georgia. Around the sedimentary rock the crystal structure of the igneous rock differs from the rest of the crystals of the igneous rock, indicating that the igneous rock had cooled more rapidly next to the sedimentary rock than it did far away from the sedimentary rock. According to old-earth geology, the sedimentary rock formed as dirt sediments were laid down and compressed and heated into rock. Then when Stone Mountain was formed by a subterranean intrusion of magma, this particular piece of sedimentary rock broke off the top of the intrusion chamber and started sinking slowly into the magma, coming to rest in its present position. The overlying layers of sediment were then eroded away, exposing Stone Mountain and the xenolith as they are now. I have yet to hear a young-earth theory that explains the existence of Stone Mountain and the xenolith. Another thing to be explained is how Stone Mountain has now cooled completely, given the melting temperature of rock, the thermal conductivity of rock, the size of Stone Mountain, and the amount of time there has been for the magma to cool down.

• Liberian