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1ke
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The Commandments given in Exodus and Deuteronomy are the divine law. Most of Leviticus deals with the ceremonial law of the Jews-- disciplinary in nature, not eternal in nature.
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The Commandments given in Exodus and Deuteronomy are the divine law. Most of Leviticus deals with the ceremonial law of the Jews-- disciplinary in nature, not eternal in nature.
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Abbadon
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Thanks 1Ke things are a bit clearer.
I’m neutral, my mother is catholic my father is bhuddist, i was catholic but my mind cannot accept alot of what is the nature of the catholic religion. But i do en devour to reconnect with the faith, i just don’t think i ever will. Yea… my religious stance is complicated…
Okay so god never changed his laws and marrying your sister is okay according to god…
Why then would the church try to change this law, if the law of god allows the marrying of sisters.
So the marrying of my sister is not a sin in gods eyes, yes? But the church just doesn’t allow it, why? Something to do with the sin of man… but if god doesn’t think its a sin then how can it be a sin?
I’m neutral, my mother is catholic my father is bhuddist, i was catholic but my mind cannot accept alot of what is the nature of the catholic religion. But i do en devour to reconnect with the faith, i just don’t think i ever will. Yea… my religious stance is complicated…
Okay so god never changed his laws and marrying your sister is okay according to god…
Why then would the church try to change this law, if the law of god allows the marrying of sisters.
So the marrying of my sister is not a sin in gods eyes, yes? But the church just doesn’t allow it, why? Something to do with the sin of man… but if god doesn’t think its a sin then how can it be a sin?
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hasikelee
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I think what 1ke is trying to say is this:Thanks 1Ke things are a bit clearer.
I’m neutral, my mother is catholic my father is bhuddist, i was catholic but my mind cannot accept alot of what is the nature of the catholic religion. But i do en devour to reconnect with the faith, i just don’t think i ever will. Yea… my religious stance is complicated…
Okay so god never changed his laws and marrying your sister is okay according to god…
Why then would the church try to change this law, if the law of god allows the marrying of sisters.
So the marrying of my sister is not a sin in gods eyes, yes? But the church just doesn’t allow it, why? Something to do with the sin of man… but if god doesn’t think its a sin then how can it be a sin?
Adam and Eve had babies…and those babies grew up and then had babies of their own, and so on. The siblings only had children with themselves, not with parents or grandparents.
At some point, God in the old Testament laid down a law for this to stop.
So, incest for us is against Church teachings, therefore a sin.
In terms of only natural law, marriage between siblings or other relatives is not inherently wrong. Marriage between kids & parents or kids & grandparents is wrong.
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hasikelee
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I also wanted to add that you shouldn’t beat yourself up over trying to understand those niggly questions!
It’s fun and interesting to think about those questions…for example did Adam have a belly button?
But, remember that Adam and Eve were created as perfect human beings in a perfect paradise. Their lives were different, so they acted differently. That would be the case for many of their offspring as well.
It’s fun and interesting to think about those questions…for example did Adam have a belly button?
But, remember that Adam and Eve were created as perfect human beings in a perfect paradise. Their lives were different, so they acted differently. That would be the case for many of their offspring as well.
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chrislky
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Regarding the matter of incest, I would like to share my personal reflections.
What is the most important thing in a human person? It is the spirit or we called, our human soul, the breath of God that makes us a living human being. That is why Jesus tells us in the Gospel tells us that it is better for a person to go to heaven without an eye or without a limb than a complete and whole body but ends itself in eternal punishment.
For the love of His Son, Jesus, God created us, human beings in His Image and likeness, body from the soil of the earth, but the soul, from the very Breath of God. It is also part of His Divine Plan that He created the whole universe, and specially, human beings, that they should propagate, fill the earth and subdue it and one day return back to Him in our heavenly home. That was His Master Plan. They are just fulfilling God’s command and orders, His Will, and for His chosen people, the Israelites, there is nothing wrong about it.
Remember Jesus teachings, it is the spirit that gives life, the body has nothing to do with it. It is our soul that God is more interested about. Our bodies are just temporally instrument or vehicle for our soul to be present in this material world and to do things which only with a human body, we are able to do. But, still, our spirit should be the master of our body.
Our first parents, and those in the earlier times are just following God’s orders or will, to multiply, fill the earth and subdue it. They just obey God’s Will, God’s Word, in living out thier everyday lives, thier daily simple lives.
Then at another stage of human history, when God said, there shall be no more marriages of close relatives, and if you do so you will be commiting the sin of incest. That is His Law, His Command, His Word, and when His Word is spoken we are to obey it.
Just like a countries Legislation Law, if a certain issue or law is enforce by the goverment, the next time you commit it will be considered an offence, a crime and will have to face the consequence of it. So it is with God’s Law, His Commands.
I believe that in everything, God knows the best, He sees through our future, our lives and even the future of our whole planet. At the appopriate time He will do what is neccesary, even if our bodies should get hurt, that our souls may be at peace and salvation.
What is the most important thing in a human person? It is the spirit or we called, our human soul, the breath of God that makes us a living human being. That is why Jesus tells us in the Gospel tells us that it is better for a person to go to heaven without an eye or without a limb than a complete and whole body but ends itself in eternal punishment.
For the love of His Son, Jesus, God created us, human beings in His Image and likeness, body from the soil of the earth, but the soul, from the very Breath of God. It is also part of His Divine Plan that He created the whole universe, and specially, human beings, that they should propagate, fill the earth and subdue it and one day return back to Him in our heavenly home. That was His Master Plan. They are just fulfilling God’s command and orders, His Will, and for His chosen people, the Israelites, there is nothing wrong about it.
Remember Jesus teachings, it is the spirit that gives life, the body has nothing to do with it. It is our soul that God is more interested about. Our bodies are just temporally instrument or vehicle for our soul to be present in this material world and to do things which only with a human body, we are able to do. But, still, our spirit should be the master of our body.
Our first parents, and those in the earlier times are just following God’s orders or will, to multiply, fill the earth and subdue it. They just obey God’s Will, God’s Word, in living out thier everyday lives, thier daily simple lives.
Then at another stage of human history, when God said, there shall be no more marriages of close relatives, and if you do so you will be commiting the sin of incest. That is His Law, His Command, His Word, and when His Word is spoken we are to obey it.
Just like a countries Legislation Law, if a certain issue or law is enforce by the goverment, the next time you commit it will be considered an offence, a crime and will have to face the consequence of it. So it is with God’s Law, His Commands.
I believe that in everything, God knows the best, He sees through our future, our lives and even the future of our whole planet. At the appopriate time He will do what is neccesary, even if our bodies should get hurt, that our souls may be at peace and salvation.
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peryv
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So you’re saying that, according to the divine law:Indeed, the divine law does not change. Incest in the direct line (child/parent/grandparent) is against the divine law and is intrinsically wrong.
Incest in the collateral line (siblings/cousins/etc) is not intrinsically wrong-- and as you have pointed out was allowed for a time in Genesis. It was later proscribed due to sin in the world-- it became necessary. It is not part of the divine law-- and even today is merely regulated by canon law and it can be dispensed.
- It’s intrinsically wrong to marry your parent, grandparent or child.
- It’s not intrinsically wrong to marry your sibling, cousin, etc.
How did you know all these? Are there existing official/authoritative documents (Jewish/Catholic doctrine/Church Fathers/philosophers/etc) that teach precisely these? Can you post links to these documents?
I find these (ancient?) teachings on incest interesting, but I can’t help but doubt.
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