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Why was Adam first?

The simple answer is that God created him first. First is first in my neighborhood. Sorry about other neighborhoods who have trouble with the word first. I have done my best to point out that in the first three wonderful chapters of Sacred Scripture, Adam is created first. I can do no more than that.
Beloved neighbor, restating the obvious gets us no closer to an opinion of a possible answer to the question posed. Yes the reality is Adam came first. The question was why. Of course any answer to why would necessarily be speculation, however as far as I can see an educated “speculation” as to why does not preclude the answer to be wrong but it may exclude some answers as being demonstrably not right. Much of biblical exegesis boils down to speculation on what’s correct and incorrect.
 
Using heretical sources is not the way to teach the faith - though perhaps Sister heard it from somewhere and did not realize what she was doing. Thought it was a “cute story”…
Although not all non-canonical sources are heretical; some just didn’t make the cut.

The Protoevangelicum of St. John, for example, is generally accepted as Divinely inspired by both East and West, Catholic and Orthodox, but not on the level of the canonical books. It is the source of much of what we commonly “know” about Mary, for example.

AMDG

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Beloved neighbor, restating the obvious gets us no closer to an opinion of a possible answer to the question posed. Yes the reality is Adam came first. The question was why. Of course any answer to why would necessarily be speculation, however as far as I can see an educated “speculation” as to why does not preclude the answer to be wrong but it may exclude some answers as being demonstrably not right. Much of biblical exegesis boils down to speculation on what’s correct and incorrect.
Apparently, you are not familiar with someone who prefers facts over educated “speculation” and biblical exegesis. 😉

As to why the original first human is connected to the Original Sin …One has to start with the facts in the first three sacred chapters of Genesis. That is my choice. Naturally, you do not have to agree with it. 😃
 
Although not all non-canonical sources are heretical; some just didn’t make the cut.

The Protoevangelicum of St. John, for example, is generally accepted as Divinely inspired by both East and West, Catholic and Orthodox, but not on the level of the canonical books. It is the source of much of what we commonly “know” about Mary, for example.

AMDG

hawk
  1. In this case (Gospel of Thomas) it was heretical. And rather late anyhow.
  2. No the Church does not accept the Protoevangelicum as Divinely Inspired.
 
Apparently, you are not familiar with someone who prefers facts over educated “speculation” and biblical exegesis. 😉

As to why the original first human is connected to the Original Sin …One has to start with the facts in the first three sacred chapters of Genesis. That is my choice. Naturally, you do not have to agree with it. 😃
Kind Elder, you seem somewhat abrasive with your replies. I’m not sure why. Perhaps you feel attacked in some way? This is unnecessary. I mean no offense. Perhaps you simply don’t understand the gist of my questions.
Why would you think I am not familiar with someone who prefers facts over speculation? I fear I have not made my concepts clear to you. Facts and educated speculation or biblical exegesis are in different classes however are inexorably linked. How do think facts are derived? The one is the beginning process of establishment the other the end result of ubiquitous agreement. Contrary to what you may believe facts are not always so readily apparent though, there is a process to their establishment. Do you not take the conception of the Trinity on faith, believing no fact could contradict such a conception and through this reasoning take it to be fact? Yet no fact yet known can undeniably establish its reality. Take this to heart…facts do not establish understanding. Yet you would have me believe that you understand the book of Genesis simply because you see facts within it?
Would you say that if there is an answer to why Adam first, or male and not female, it would have to be found in the first three chapters of genesis? If so that would be a starting point to potentially answering the question. I am not sure how original sin entered into this as this was not a part of the original question? Perhaps I missed something?
May God bless you in all you do and forgive me for my errors.
 
Yes Adam was the* first man*

See Genesis, See St. Paul’s Letters, See the writings of the Popes etc.

Adam was the first man.
[6] But from the beginning of the creation, God made them male and female. [7] For this cause a man shall leave his father and mother; and shall cleave to his wife. [8] And they two shall be in one flesh. Therefore now they are not two, but one flesh. [9] What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. [10] And in the house again his disciples asked him concerning the same thing. Mark 10:6
[[4]](http://www.drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=47&ch=19&l=4#x) Who answering, said to them: Have ye not read, that he who made man from the beginning, Made them male and female? And he said: [[5]](http://www.drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=47&ch=19&l=5#x) For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife, and they two shall be in one flesh. Matthew 19:4
 
Catechism - **404 **How did the sin of Adam become the sin of all his descendants? The whole human race is in Adam “as one body of one man”.By this “unity of the human race” all men are implicated in Adam’s sin, as all are implicated in Christ’s justice. Still, the transmission of original sin is a mystery that we cannot fully understand. But we do know by Revelation that Adam had received original holiness and justice not for himself alone, but for all human nature. By yielding to the tempter, Adam and Eve committed a personal sin, but this sin affected the human nature that they would then transmit in a fallen state. It is a sin which will be transmitted by propagation to all mankind, that is, by the transmission of a human nature deprived of original holiness and justice. And that is why original sin is called “sin” only in an analogical sense: it is a sin “contracted” and not “committed” - a state and not an act.

**59 **“In reality it is only in the mystery of the Word made flesh that the mystery of man truly becomes clear.”
St. Paul tells us that the human race takes its origin from two men: Adam and Christ. . . The first man, Adam, he says, became a living soul, the last Adam a life-giving spirit. The first Adam was made by the last Adam, from whom he also received his soul, to give him life… The second Adam stamped his image on the first Adam when he created him. That is why he took on himself the role and the name of the first Adam, in order that he might not lose what he had made in his own image. The first Adam, the last Adam: the first had a beginning, the last knows no end. The last Adam is indeed the first; as he himself says: “I am the first and the last.”
 
Originally Posted by Bookcat View Post
Yes Adam was the first man

See Genesis, See St. Paul’s Letters, See the writings of the Popes etc.

Adam was the first man.

Adam was created first and Eve disobeyed God, first.
 
Thinking about facts in the first three sacred chapters of Genesis.😃

Adam started life with a rational spiritual soul. Catholic teaching, Genesis 1:27.
This fact makes him a human person, fully alive, fully real. Adam recognized the fact that Eve has the same human nature, a true person, being fully alive, fully real. Catholic teaching, Genesis 2:23. 👍
 
Originally Posted by Bookcat View Post
Yes Adam was the first man

See Genesis, See St. Paul’s Letters, See the writings of the Popes etc.

Adam was the first man.

Adam was created first and Eve disobeyed God, first.
I wonder if Eve disobeyed God, first? Where was Adam when Eve was being tricked by the serpent? Watching her do it? So wouldn’t he be just as disobedient by not stopping her. Afterall, it was Adam who was told not to eat the fruit of the tree directly by God and since he was created first he would have to tell Eve not to east the fruit.
 
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