Adam & Eve's Temptation

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Yes, I am a woman. šŸ˜‰ Iā€™ve never thought of the Space Trilogy appealing more to men, but I can see why you might think that. I enjoy both Out of the Silent Planet and Perelandra, but I do find That Hideous Strength to be tougher to get through. I grew up reading all of C.S. Lewisā€™ works so I really enjoy his writing.
 
I agree with you on the last of the three books. It is the weakest. But its hard to do a good apocalyptic book. And tying that into the overall trilogy just didnā€™t quite work IMO. But they are all worth a read, especially the first two. For those reading this that donā€™t know. The first one is about Mars, as a planet where ā€œmankindā€ did not fall. The second is about Venus, were the first two humans for that planet are facing the test, similar to Adam and Eve.
 
God desires man to return to God the love that God has for man, freely, willingly. Of what value is a love that is coerced?

Love the Deaconā€™s response about ā€œeternal present moment.ā€ It is the key to understanding everything.
 
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Would it make you feel better if I rephrased to say ā€œGod would knowā€? You are playing semantic games. How would you phrase the fact that God knows every outcome of his actions?
 
Adam was supposed to protect Eve and had the Grace of prudence to do so but did not.
 
KevinK said:
Would it make you feel better if I rephrased to say ā€œGod would knowā€? You are playing semantic games. How would you phrase the fact that God knows every outcome of his actions?
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No matter how you phrase it Kevin, the premise of the question is that God made a mistake.
 
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If you would read more carefully you would see that is not at all what I said. I wondered if God foresaw that the free will people he was creating would sin, why not try two others and foresee if they would sin, and so on until he had a freewill sinless pair. This was how Mary was created; with free will and sinless.
 
well if God foresaw that He was creating something He doesnā€™t will, that would mean He can will mistakenly. What you suggest doesnā€™t square with the omni God that is revealed.
 
Creation is Godā€™s and God alone. When He gives freewill, it comes in a package - the obedience and the disobedience. It is Godā€™s prerogative. If He does not give freewill to humans, then they are just like robots, and thatā€™s not what He wants.

Privilege comes with consequences. Godā€™s love is such that it is worthwhile for Him if there are those who love and obey Him. Even if if such person is only one person. He would still do it - salvation to him/her.

However, there are some who choose not to be with God, and thatā€™s the consequence for God.
 
Sheesh. Let me make this as simple as possible in the form of a yes or no question. Could God have created Adam and Eve with free will but such that they would not have sinned; just like Mary?
 
This has absolutely nothing to do with answering me. I didnā€™t say God did not give free will. I said the very opposite. I just said he could have foreseen with which first two people their free will choice would have led to obedience. It is frustrating when people donā€™t actually read posts and respond with some canned talking points.
 
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Iā€™m curiousā€¦

Adam and Eve were created from God, hence they were very good. If they were very good, why on earth were they tempted by the fruit of the tree of knowledge in the first place? Why wonā€™t they repulsed by the idea of disobeying God?
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Respectfully opinion only pondering, indeed curious also.
As written our Heavenly Father tells us he tempts no one.

James 1 :1 -17 >>>
Blessed is anyone who endures temptation.Such a hone has stood the test and will receive the crown of life that the Lord has promised to those who love him. No one, when tempted, should say " I am being tempted by God" : for God cannot be tempted by evil and he himself tempts no one. But one is tempted by oneā€™s own desire, being lured and enticed by it, then, when that desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin and that sin, when fully grown, gives birth to death, Do not be deceived, my beloved.

James 1:17) Every generous act of giving, with every perfect gift, is from above, coming down from the Father of lights with whom there is no variation or shadow due to change. In fulfillment of his own purpose he gave us birth by the word of truth, so that we would become a kind of first first fruits of creatures.

To many to list biblical verses where God tempts no one. Peace šŸ™‚
 
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Sheesh. Let me make this as simple as possible in the form of a yes or no question. Could God have created Adam and Eve with free will but such that they would not have sinned; just like Mary?
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nope God didnā€™t make mary different than adam and Eve. Mary was born in a world that the consequences of Adam and Eveā€™s sin demonstrated what God said and Mary could see that clearly. God didnā€™t make Mary to not sin.
 
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Could God have created Adam and Eve with free will but such that they would not have sinned; just like Mary?
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If God conceived humans and didnā€™t create the ones who would sin, wouldnā€™t that be a lie about human nature?
 
God is not concerned with the apple on the tree
but the pair ( pear šŸ ) on the ground šŸ˜›
 
If that were true then Jesus was, and was not incarnate, at the same time.
 
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Your question is incomprehensible. Re-phrase.
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If a population of sinless humans didnā€™t know that there was a potential population of sinful humans, they would have a false understanding of humans and their created nature.

What if you found out 75 percent of human life was screened for sin and not created? I would think God is imperfect and tried to hide it.
 
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IThe ā€œsame timeā€ is part of the set of ā€œall timesā€ so God is everywhere at the same time. Surely this is uncontroversial and most theists would agree. Otherwise how could He be present at every Eucharist taking place concurrently?
 
As I mentioned on another thread of yours, God knows the future that actually happens by, yā€™know, watching it happen.

Perfect knowledge of contrafactuals (ā€œwhat would happen if I did this thing Iā€™m not going to doā€) may not be included in omniscience just as the ability to perform logical contradictions may not be included in omnipotence.
 
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