Adam & Eve's Temptation

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Google translation of temptation: the desire to do something, especially something wrong or unwise.

Jesus had no desire to sin and so cannot be tempted to sin.

I think it would be more correct to say the devil tried to tempt Jesus rather than Jesus was tempted.
 
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I’m sorry. “GOOGLE” translations are not necessary authentic Catholic translations. Did you not see the Scripture passages regarding Christ and temptation? And exactly where is it taught in Catholic teaching that 'His human nature on its own" etc?

Again, not to be picky but when you come and flat-out contradict Catholic teaching based on ‘google translations’ and your own unsubstantiated statements, you’re going to be challenged. There’s too much evidence to the contrary for your opinion to be correct.
 
Let me give you straight from the Catechism of the Catholic Church, on the VATICAN web site, regarding the temptations of Jesus. Here you are:

Jesus’ temptations

538 The Gospels speak of a time of solitude for Jesus in the desert immediately after his baptism by John. Driven by the Spirit into the desert, Jesus remains there for forty days without eating; he lives among wild beasts, and angels minister to him.241 At the end of this time Satan tempts him three times, seeking to compromise his filial attitude toward God. Jesus rebuffs these attacks, which recapitulate the temptations of Adam in Paradise and of Israel in the desert, and the devil leaves him “until an opportune time”.242

539 The evangelists indicate the salvific meaning of this mysterious event: Jesus is the new Adam who remained faithful just where the first Adam had given in to temptation. Jesus fulfills Israel’s vocation perfectly: in contrast to those who had once provoked God during forty years in the desert, Christ reveals himself as God’s Servant, totally obedient to the divine will. In this, Jesus is the devil’s conqueror: he “binds the strong man” to take back his plunder.243 Jesus’ victory over the tempter in the desert anticipates victory at the Passion, the supreme act of obedience of his filial love for the Father.

540 Jesus’ temptation reveals the way in which the Son of God is Messiah, contrary to the way Satan proposes to him and the way men wish to attribute to him.244 This is why Christ vanquished the Tempter for us: "For we have not a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been tested as we are, yet without sinning."245 By the solemn forty days of Lent the Church unites herself each year to the mystery of Jesus in the desert.
 
Thank you for the quote. I see nothing that says Jesus was tempted. I read the devil tried to tempt Jesus and there is a difference between the two.
 
At the end of this time Satan tempts him three times, seeking to compromise his filial attitude toward God. Jesus rebuffs these attacks, which recapitulate the temptations of Adam in Paradise and of Israel in the desert, and the devil leaves him “until an opportune time”.
Not 'tried to tempt", 'Satan tempts Him three times.
Jesus rebuffs those attacks.
 
You can say the say the same thing in many different ways with the same meaning. “Satan tempts him, Satan attacks him, Satan taunts him”. You need to be put this in the context of our faith. Our doctrine of the faith says Jesus is God obviously. Now let me ask you this, can God sin? Yes or no?
 
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Temptation is not sin.
So Jesus was tempted. . .as Scripture, and the catechism, and Catholic teaching for nearly 2000 years tells us. . .
But did not sin.

Until you accept that your ‘Google definition’ does not necessarily mean what Scripture means, you’re just arguing out of your hat. Scripture was not written in U.S. AD 2018 "English’ 2000 years ago. The understanding of words at some times can ‘change’.

I ask you, when you read the word “gay”, don’t you think 'homosexual"? That is the ‘modern Google definition’. But read that word in works written before around AD 1960, and it means HAPPY. Going back for CENTURIES from the original definition of the word, ‘happy, joyous’.

Insist on reading say “Anne of Green Gables” and defining every use of the word ‘gay’ in that novel as ‘homosexual’ and you completely misunderstand, distort, and destroy the entire work because of a false definition.

So please, Stop trying to argue a ‘nothing’. Jesus was tempted. Temptation itself is not sin. Jesus did not give into temptation (the giving IN would be sinful). Therefore Jesus did not sin.
 
Definitions of words have become progressively more liberal or inaccurate over time. Do not trust Google. Here’s a pic from my Noah Webster dictionary from 1828. Sorry I don’t have time to type it all out.

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As utterly shocking as Adam and Eve’s sin is, I find it easier to understand than that of the angels. I mean, humans sin out of weakness, unbelief or habit, none of which apply to angels. I can understand how Eve could be deceived, but not how an angel would ever sin in the face of infallible certitude that doing so would result in his own eternal torment.
 
Last words Jesus said to Satan. “Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God”. He didn’t entertain an evil thought.
 
And I never said that He (Jesus) did entertain an evil thought. Temptation is NOT 'entertaining evil thoughts".
 
I know you aren’t mistaken, but I think that distinction was an obstacle beween you and PrisoerofChrist.
 
You’re welcome, I’m Glad I could help.

I was mistaken about Jesus’ last words to Satan. He said what I quoted to refute the second temptation. 🤐
 
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Thanks everybody for your answers. I’m afraid I still haven’t got the answer I was seeking. Everyone keeps shouting “free will”. Yes I got that part. Let me phrase my question another way. If they were created good, why didn’t the very idea of rebellion against God repulse them, period?
The basic ingredients for the fall, most simply, is the combination of free will with a finite, created rational being. In other words, God gave a huge amount of responsibility to creatures, who, while awesome in their own right, were nonetheless not God, and therefore lacking or inferior in terms of possessing His perfect wisdom. They were given all they needed, including knowledge, to be capable of refraining from sin and yet they, having control over their own acts, still retained the possibility of making the wrong choice. Simply by virtue of not being God, they were inherently inferior, and this “flaw” could manifest itself in their choices, the most fundamental wrong choice being to fail to recognize God as God; all other sin flows from that first one. Another way to state all this is to say that God cannot create another God. And no matter how good He made us, He knows that our perfection, our justice, is all the greater the more we choose and participate in it.

And so God’s purpose is to draw us into willing alignment with His perfect, godly will, without force or coercion. His ultimate purpose, in fact, is to “divinize” man. But man, via Adam, foolishly wanted to be “be like God”, but “without God, before God, and not in accordance with God”, as the catechism teaches. What Adam ended up with by his act of disobedience was simply estrangement from God, with all that entails, even as he may’ve thought that this autonomy meant he was superior to his previous, subjugated, state. He wasn’t though; he had taken a major fall.

Our whole purpose here on earth is to come to gain the wisdom, with the help of time, experience, revelation, and grace, to come to see the error of Adam’s choice, to come to know just how much we need God, ‘Apart from whom we can do nothing’ (John 15:5). This is the basis of the New Covenant. To the extent that we find our way back to God and cooperate and commune with Him, as is the right and proper order of things for man, He will do a work in us, of transforming us into His own image.
God bless you Fhansen and God bless every readers of the CAF.

I read your post several times,
I don’t believe anyone can contradict even one word of it.

In my opinion, in both way, Theologically and “Politically” 100 % correct.
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You sad Fhansen:
“He wasn’t though; he had taken a major fall.”
– No one can contradict it, it is true.
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The crux of the matter is:
What was the real reason, he wasn’t though; he had taken a major fall?
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The following Theological Facts helps us to answer the above question.
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Quote from: Catholic Answers.

Mary: "Full of Grace"

We will all one day be rendered immaculate (sinless), but Mary, as the prototypical Christian, received this grace early.

God granted her freedom from sin to make her a fitting mother for his Son.

John the Theologian
"[T]he Lord said to his Mother, ‘Let your heart rejoice and be glad, for every favor and every gift has been given to you from my Father in heaven and from me and from the Holy Spirit.


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CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA Divine Providence.
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Life everlasting promised to us, (Romans 5:21); but unaided we can do nothing to gain it (Rom.7:18-24).
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His wisdom He so orders all events within the universe that the end for which it was created may be realized.
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All things, whether due to necessary causes or to the free choice of man, are foreseen by God and preordained in accordance with His all-embracing purpose.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12510a.htm
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CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA Predestination of the elect.
THE THEORY OF PREDESTINATION prævisa merita


THIS THEORY, CHAMPIONED BY all Thomists and a few Molinists (as Bellarmine, Francisco Suárez, Francis de Lugo):

Asserts that God, by an absolute decree and without regard to any future supernatural merits, predestined from all eternity certain men to the glory of heaven, and then, in consequence of this decree, decided to give them all the graces necessary for its accomplishment. End quote.


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SUMMARY

1. His wisdom
God orders and predestines all events within the universe that the end for which it was created may be realized.
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2. With an Absolute Decree, God predestined the Virgin Mary from all Eternity to be the mother of the Lord Jesus Christ.

God granted her freedom from sin to make her a fitting mother for his Son.

Every favor and every gift has been given to Mary from the Father in heaven and from Jesus and from the Holy Spirit to successfully fulfil her God given task.

Her task is predestined with an Absolute Decree from all Eternity, in consequence of this decree, God has given her all the graces necessary for its accomplishment.
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The failure of her task is an Absolute Zero, because God has given her all the graces necessary for its accomplishment.
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3. Every person who are Predestined to Heaven, predestined with an Absolute Decree, in consequence of this decree, God has given all of them all the graces necessary for its accomplishment.

The possibility that even one of them end up in hell is an Absolute Zero, because God has given all of them all the graces necessary for its accomplishment.
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4. God Predestined the “fall” of Adam and Eve from all Eternity with an Absolute Decree.

Their “fall” were their Free Choices.

The possibility that they not “fall” was an Absolute Zero, because God (for the benefit of the entire human race) purposely did not grant them the graces which would prevented them from the “fall.”
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CONCLUSION:

THE CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA Divine Providence explains:


Life everlasting promised to us, (Romans 5:21); but unaided we can do nothing to gain it (Rom.7:18-24). End quote.
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Our UNAIDED free will choices always leads us to hell.

Free Will
God’s Aid = Hell.
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WITH OTHER WORDS:
Free Will
– CCC 2022; “The divine initiative in the work of grace PRECEDES, PREPARES, and ELICITS the free response of man. …” = Hell.
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ST. AUGUSTINE ON GRACE AND PREDESTINATION

De gratia Christi 25, 26:

"For not only has God given us our ability and helps it, but He even works [brings about] willing and acting in us; not that we do not will or that we do not act, but that without His help we neither will anything good nor do it."
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De gratia et libero arbitrio 16, 32:
"It is certain that we will when we will; but He brings it about that we will good. . . . It is certain that we act when we act, but He brings it about that we act, PROVIDING MOST EFFECTIVE POWERS TO THE WILL."
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Similarly, the Council of Orange Canon 25 states, "In every good work, it is not we who begin … but He (God) first inspires us." (#329.2)
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I’m sorry for my long posts, I did try to make them as short as I could.
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God bless you Fhansen and God bless every readers of the CAF.

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One can be tempted and not sin. Temptation is not a sin. Plus the ‘enjoyed the beatific vision’ makes no sense. Jesus did not ‘enjoy the beatific Vision, He IS the beatific vision’.
Jesus enjoyed the beatific vision according to his human nature on account of this nature’s hypostatic or substantial union with his divine person and nature. Jesus was a true man in his created human nature composed of body and soul. His created soul always had the beatific vision of his own divine person.
 
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