Adam was born how many years ago?

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Jupp said:
Oh, I am sorry. Mea culpa. I did not think of some ancient superstition
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On a Catholic Forum, the Bible supersedes all false / atheist / agnostic / etc. notions
 
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The bible is also integrated with the whole of revelation.
All of revelation is summed up in the person of Christ.
http://www.vatican.va/content/bened...ts/hf_ben-xvi_exh_20100930_verbum-domini.html
The fundamentalist interpretation of sacred Scripture
  1. The attention we have been paying to different aspects of the theme of biblical hermeneutics now enables us to consider a subject which came up a number of times during the Synod: that of the fundamentalist interpretation of sacred Scripture.[145] The Pontifical Biblical Commission, in its document The Interpretation of the Bible in the Church, has laid down some important guidelines. Here I would like especially to deal with approaches which fail to respect the authenticity of the sacred text, but promote subjective and arbitrary interpretations . The “literalism” championed by the fundamentalist approach actually represents a betrayal of both the literal and the spiritual sense, and opens the way to various forms of manipulation, as, for example, by disseminating anti-ecclesial interpretations of the Scriptures. “The basic problem with fundamentalist interpretation is that, refusing to take into account the historical character of biblical revelation, it makes itself incapable of accepting the full truth of the incarnation itself. As regards relationships with God, fundamentalism seeks to escape any closeness of the divine and the human … for this reason, it tends to treat the biblical text as if it had been dictated word for word by the Spirit. It fails to recognize that the word of God has been formulated in language and expression conditioned by various periods”.[146] Christianity, on the other hand, perceives in the words the Word himself, the Logos who displays his mystery through this complexity and the reality of human history.[147] The true response to a fundamentalist approach is “the faith-filled interpretation of sacred Scripture”. This manner of interpretation, “practised from antiquity within the Church’s Tradition, seeks saving truth for the life of the individual Christian and for the Church. It recognizes the historical value of the biblical tradition. Precisely because of the tradition’s value as an historical witness, this reading seeks to discover the living meaning of the sacred Scriptures for the lives of believers today”,[148] while not ignoring the human mediation of the inspired text and its literary genres.
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jan10000 said:
YOU are the one that says this could be God.
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Correct. I do.

He specifically says the “creator’s aim” in the quote I first referenced.

The point is fine tuning. He got it. Whether he believes the fine tuner was God or not is not the issue.
 
Jupp said:
The languages are constantly evolving.
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We are not talking about language development in that sense but origin. Languages can develop from other languages but can you explain how a protolanguage evolved from animal innate sounds?
 
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jan10000 said:
Have you read scientific articles on this subject? I was interested enough in your post to do so.
The scientists promoting your position are not AT ALL saying evolution did not occur, they are saying the mechanism in which language evolved is still a mystery, and is one of the remaining open questions regarding evolution
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jan10000 said:
For some reason you think these means evolution isn’t true.
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Evolution is on the foundation of mutations and natural selection, human language does not have any connection with this kind of foundation so there’s not going to be a time in future where a connection will be established.
 
buffalo said:
Which means one language was common before.
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It means God divided a language into many languages - for a purposeful reason…

That said, no language takes precedence in importance - over any other.

It’s the MEANING which counts - and God provides assistance in Meaning
 
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Jupp said:
Many animals have a sophisticated communication system. Dolphins and the higher Apes. Many animals also have complicated social structures. Elephants mourn their dead.
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Neither Dolphins nor Elephants speak. Even a human with a fully developed faculties of speech will never speak a language if they don’t get to learn one.
 
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buffalo said:
Jupp:
Really? What language did they speak?
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The language God infused them with, most likely Hebrew/Aramaic.
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You do realize that “Adam” did not write Genesis?
You do realize that “Adam” is referred to in a narrative, it is not a first person account. Right?
Genesis is written by a later author(s) looking back, relaying God’s role in creation.

So you have no idea whatsoever which language Adam spoke.
 
Jupp said:
The fact that we cannot understand their communication is not a proof of not having a language. The dolphins use whistles. If you think that “speech” is restricted to sounds our ears can discern then you cannot even discover if animals “speak” or not.

Bees have a very sophisticated language, expressed by “dancing”. They can communicate the distance and the direction of the newly discovered field with suitable flowers. That is a language, different from the sounds we make and understand, but a speech nevertheless.
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You are still mistaken. Whatever Bees or Dolphins or any other animals do is gene controlled mode of communication and thus subject to ‘evolution’, human language is not. What we know is that human language is acquired from external knowledgeable sources through a process called learning. Learning words and their meaning(s) and combining them to have a meaningful expression.
This invalidates the idea that specific variations are from mutations and natural selection.
 
jan10000 said:
NO ONE says that language did not evolve.
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I’m someone and i’m saying it didn’t evolve.
jan10000 said:
They are NOT saying language did not evolve. They are saying the details of language evolution is still incomplete and the area of research.
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How much time does one need to research impossibilities? Evolution is about east, human language is about the west, how long are we going to wait?
What connections do genes have with words and their meaning(s) aka language?

The other school of thought is that human language is an invention by humans. This is also absurd and puts language beyond evolution. A specific trait that is not evolutionary means evolution fails.
 
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buffalo said:
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You do realize that “Adam” did not write Genesis?
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Investigate the Toledoths of Genesis clay tablets and colophon phrases. God Himself wrote the very first tablet aka Genesis 1.

https://research.avondale.edu.au/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1116&context=theo_chapters
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I’m going to stick with mainstream Catholic scholars
 
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