ADD (ADHD) medical problem or myth?

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God Bless,
Ferdinand Mary
 
Rayne89,

I have 3 kids with diagnosed ADD who are all on meds now. With my first, I was a parent who thought ADD was an excuse for kids who didn’t behave and an excuse for bad parenting. I couldn’t have been further from the truth. This is absolutely a medical condition and all the medical and psychological associations to back me up. The previous poster ,farmbabe1, gave good information. Two sites you might want to look at are www.drhallowell.com and www.allkindsofminds.org. Dr. Hallowell is an expert in ADD and is diagnosed with it himself. Dr. Mel Levine is also an expert and is very informative. He has been on Oprah in the past talking about ADD and learning disabilities.
Just to answer a few of your questions…it isn’t a problem if your child takes 30 minutes to put on their underwear but if it occurs every day for 6 months then it is. ADD isn’t just about that though. It effects just about every aspect of the child’s day. It’s a combo of things over a period of time. Another question you asked regarding rates of ADD around the world…I read somewhere in researching it (I’m sorry I can’t quote it) that there are higher rates in the U.S. and ,in the U.S., rates are higher in the western states. If you think about it it makes sense. In most cases it would take an impulsive and adventurous person to leave a world that is known to go into the total unknown. (ADD is often hereditary)
As far as parenting goes, I know that I get pretty sensitive about others who think I am a poor parent because my kids don’t act like theirs. I have absolutely no qualms that I am a good parent. I have to give that anxiety of what other people think of me over to God. He knows how hard we’ve tried. Sometimes when things were really hard it seemed it would be easier to have a child with a visible physical ailment then people wouldn’t judge and we would have more support instead of criticism.
While I’m thinking of it, a lot of people seem to think that kids on meds for ADD make them like zombies. Not so. These meds supply their brain with a chemical that it’s lacking. My kids are just more attentive , more focused and act at a more mature age appropriate level than without meds. They certainly don’t act “drugged”. Besides that, kids with ADD who aren’t medicated often end up medicating themselves with alcohol, drugs or some other addiction as they get older.
It was suggested that St. Peter may have had a bit of ADD in him. (jumping out of the boat, loping off the servant’s ear, etc.) Not bad company to be in.
I hope my post seems charitable as it was intended. God Bless.
 
Mary’s kid thank you very much for the above informative (and very charitable post). From reading the suggested links and other things on the web our daughter could easily fit the characteristics of ADHD. To me that was just her personality. We’ve always called her our “party girl” because she’s full of energy and loves to stay up late.Everyone notices and comments on how much energy our daughter has and how she just go, go, go’s. She wears her friends out and gets along quite well with boys who seem in general to be more physically active.

She’s very polite and well mannered to others but getting her to do something takes several requests. When I tell her to stop doing something it also takes several requests and sometimes pretty firm (and sometimes loud) requests. She is impulsive and impatient. She is doing very well in all her subjects except English, she struggles with it because of the required writing, more then a few sentences overwhelm her to the pont of tears.

Her behavior has improved greatly as she’s matured. From Kindergarten to 3rd grade was especially trying. (Actually starting at about 3 years old now that I think back.) In the beginning we used Seton curriculumn which is all book work. I have been able to try out many different things to try out what works and what doesn’t.

She can concentrate when it’s something she really wants to do which is why I just figured it was just her personality.

So the question is am I a bad parent if I don’t get her tested or don’t put her on meds? Are those parents that refuse to medicate their children putting their children at a disadvantage, are they not being good parents?
 
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rayne89:
Mary’s kid thank you very much for the above informative (and very charitable post). From reading the suggested links and other things on the web our daughter could easily fit the characteristics of ADHD. To me that was just her personality. We’ve always called her our “party girl” because she’s full of energy and loves to stay up late.Everyone notices and comments on how much energy our daughter has and how she just go, go, go’s. She wears her friends out and gets along quite well with boys who seem in general to be more physically active.

She’s very polite and well mannered to others but getting her to do something takes several requests. When I tell her to stop doing something it also takes several requests and sometimes pretty firm (and sometimes loud) requests. She is impulsive and impatient. She is doing very well in all her subjects except English, she struggles with it because of the required writing, more then a few sentences overwhelm her to the pont of tears.

Her behavior has improved greatly as she’s matured. From Kindergarten to 3rd grade was especially trying. (Actually starting at about 3 years old now that I think back.) In the beginning we used Seton curriculumn which is all book work. I have been able to try out many different things to try out what works and what doesn’t.

She can concentrate when it’s something she really wants to do which is why I just figured it was just her personality.

So the question is am I a bad parent if I don’t get her tested or don’t put her on meds? Are those parents that refuse to medicate their children putting their children at a disadvantage, are they not being good parents?
This is all typical behavior for kids with ADD/ADHD, especially the concentration when it’s something she really wants to do. My parents couldn’t get me out of a book, because I was so focused on it…I remember it well. And her behavior starting at three, oh yeah, that’s what often happens.

I don’t think that not putting her on meds makes you a bad parent. You know her best. Just be open to the possibility that she may need it someday.
 
I also don’t think you need to have her tested or put on meds as long as she is basically happy and adjusted. There are varying degrees of ADHD. I personally had to get to the point where I had exhausted all other options, my child was very unhappy and our relationship was almost always stressful. I didn’t make the same mistake twice.

If your relationship with her is pleasant and she is happy, has friends and does acceptable school work,I don’t see a reason for testing or meds. It looks like with your homeschooling you’ve already made changes that are great for a kid with attention deficit. Kudos to you! You can always test later if problems develop.
 
Rayne, you sound like a concerned parent, not a bad parent, to even be asking these questions.

Medication in relation to ADD/ADHD seems to have a stigma these days and people tend to act as if “everyone” is put on it thoughtlessly and without any real evaluation. This may be true in some instances but hopefully not when we are advocates both for ourselves and our own children. Medication is useful in the right context and when prescribed appropriately, then properly monitored. Many parents have already posted about the lengths they went to in order to assure that their child received the proper response for their issues. But this is not usually advertised in mainstream. Usually–and hopefully–medication is a last resort–not always needed. But sometimes it is and usually a pill is only one of many things a parent will do to help their child cope.

There are various nutritional changes that can be made and even mineral testing that might reveal a deficiency–such as zinc or magnesium which aid in brain function, specifically memory and reasoning. (Children with ADHD usually have levels of zinc that are less than half of their typical counterparts.) Of course, the primary intervention that should always be explored both before medication and afterwards is behavioral–setting appropriate expectations and an environment for success. A child who has difficulty organizing herself and her environment is easily overwhelmed and simple instructions seem insurmountable to them.

As for appropriate expectations, sometimes an evaluation is just needed to determine what all is going on with her body chemistry and how it is influencing her behavior and choices. An evaluation is merely information, it is not a sentence to do this, this or that. You are the parent!! Information is power, but you choose what to do with it.

She may have sensory issues that cause her to LITERALLY be unable to organize her body into doing the things that she is processing being told to do. There is such a thing as Childhood Sensory Integration Disorder (sometimes DSI for short). This can go alongside of ADHD or a whole variety of other disorders, or it can be independent of those things. It includes both hyperactive and hypoactive children. A child who is very active and frequently jumping or spinning or hanging upside down or needing deep pressure (asking for backrubs or preferring to lay with heavy blankets), a child who struggles to follow simple directions, a child with average to below par performance academically (not due to intelligence but usually performance) all have symptoms of possible DSI. Impulsive behavior, emotional outbursts that seem extreme–like crying over something which should not devastate them. These children may seem distracted or unable to focus or pull their thoughts together even in the midst of a seemingly simple environment. However, to the rest of us–we don’t notice the air conditioner running while we’re at the stove frying up dinner and the dishwasher is running and the clock is ticking. The child whose sensory system notices those things doesn’t even KNOW they’re noticing those things is even out of the ordinary–because they’ve always noticed them! But it creates chaos for them internally. There are plenty of interventions to help organize a body’s sensory system, the least of which would be medication.

Sometimes a creative child is extremely fascinated with a variety of “stuff” and has multitudes of collections and odd or interesting pieces of this or that which get saved for the next creative outlet. They may love their dolls and their stuffed animals and every picture they’ve ever drawn, as well as save each and every crayon or marker which might prove useful to them. 🙂 But, having all this “stuff” readily available and within their range of sight can be so exhausting to them. Cleaning it and organizing it is a job of hysterical proportions. As much as they might protest immediately, sometimes stripping their room to bare essentials helps them visually organize themselves and calm their sensitive systems. All these items are still available to them, but in a separate room or in organized crates which stay organized but are not visually available to them at all times–usually behind closed doors.
 
Something else that is usually imperative is a structured schedule of expectations. At times natural consequences may have to come in–such as wearing pajamas to the grocery store if she won’t get dressed on time, but before those measures come into play, the environment has to be set up for success. Such as her choosing her clothes for the next day and seeing them when she wakes up. Even a hand written or visual schedule for her, posted on her door or one that is moveable and in which activities are interchangeable daily, can do wonders. She sees, Okay. I ate breakfast. I brushed my teeth. I want to do my new science project, but I see that I have to get dressed first. New rules are introduced, such as: if she wants to play with legos, she plays until she is finished and then she puts them away. When they are put away, she is then free to have a snack or go onto the next game or call her friend or whatever–but nothing happens until the legos are up. Requesting her to do something several times stops with the right environment and motivation. Using a timer where she can visually see the expectation after you make the request and then walking away will motivate her to get it done. She may not comply immediately, but sometimes a token system in place with rewards attached help motivate. (In other words, “Gabby, I’m going to set the timer for five minutes. When it dings, I want you to be dressed.” Walk away. Come back when it dings and praise her for being dressed. If she’s not dressed…well, that is a whole different post, going into motivators and reinforcement and the token system…etc. and I’ve already written a novel, so I’ll stop for now!) 🙂
 
Whether or not I believe ADD/ADHD is real is hard to say. I’m not educated enough on it to say.

What I will say is that the medication scares me. It is basically pharmacutical methamphetamine. I’ve had experience with it in my nephews. Both were diagnosed with it. Both given medication, ritalin I think. I can tell you that for a couple or three years, they did much better. As they got older, the medicine seemed to stop working. The doctor increased the dose. It got worse. They seemed to have developed “Super ADHD.” My sister finally stopped the medication when they were just starting 8th and 9th grade. The older one had a short adjustment period, and with the threat of losing his spot on the football team, became an A student and the sweetest kid you would meet. The younger one sought out self medication in the form of meth and heroin. Over the last 5 years he has turned his life around, but it was hell on the family.

What does this mean? Nothing. Maybe it’s a good example of how ADD is a farce. Maybe it’s a good example of two kids mis-diagnosed for a real disorder. Or, maybe, they are two special cases and we will never know what exactly was the problem.

All I know is that when I finally researched what the medication really is, I got frightened for all the kids on it. I know what meth can do to a person, especially a kid. If ADD/ADHD is real, we have to be super vigilant in correctly diagnosing it.
 
Thankyou very much for the helpful and very useful advise. Basically I figured out I have to get organized so I can give my child a more structured enviroment. I am an unorganized clutter bug with poor time managment skills -eek. Not such a great example for our daughter.

So I guess I better start working on myself first of all. I’m also going to look into changing her diet (all of our diets).
Sometimes a creative child is extremely fascinated with a variety of “stuff” and has multitudes of collections and odd or interesting pieces of this or that which get saved for the next creative outlet. They may love their dolls and their stuffed animals and every picture they’ve ever drawn, as well as save each and every crayon or marker which might prove useful to them.
This is so my daughter. She saves everything.

Well I have my work cut out for me. I guess it’ll be part of my new year’s resolution. I’m going to check the library for some good books as well.

Thanks so much!
 
rayne89 said:
…ADD/ADHD is a popular diagnosis in the 1990’s because it serves as a neat way to explain away the complexities of turn-of-the-millenium life in America. Over the past few decades, our families have broken up, respect for authority has eroded, mass media has created a “short-attention-span culture,” and stress levels have skyrocketed. When our children start to act out under the strain, it’s convenient to create a scientific-sounding term to label them with, an effective drug to stifle their “symptoms,” and a whole program of ADD/ADHD workbooks, videos, and instructional materials to use to fit them in a box that relieves parents and teachers of any worry that it might be due to their own failure (or the failure of the broader culture) to nurture or teach effectively. Mainly, the ADD/ADHD label is a tragic decoy that takes the focus off of where it’s needed most: the real life of each unique child. Instead of seeing each child for who he or she is (strengths, limitations, interests, temperaments, learning styles etc.) and addressing his or her specific needs, the child is reduced to an “ADD child,” where the potential to see the best in him or her is severely eroded (since ADD/ADHD puts all the emphasis on the deficits, not the strengths), and where the number of potential solutions to help them is highly limited to a few child-controlling interventions.

thomasarmstrong.com/myth_add_adhd.htm

Hmmm…I must say this theory doens’t apply to me at all.😉 I did not have any of those events in my life to effect my development.

I have Attention Deficit Disorder, without hyperactivity, and was not diagnosed until I was 19 or 20. My diagnosis was a lifechanging event and I truly thank God for the doctor who diagnosed me.

This is a difficult topic for so many parents and the only advice I have is to pray and get second and third opinions.

LynnieLew
 
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rayne89:
Thankyou very much for the helpful and very useful advise. Basically I figured out I have to get organized so I can give my child a more structured enviroment. I am an unorganized clutter bug with poor time managment skills -eek. Not such a great example for our daughter.

So I guess I better start working on myself first of all. I’m also going to look into changing her diet (all of our diets).

This is so my daughter. She saves everything.

Well I have my work cut out for me. I guess it’ll be part of my new year’s resolution. I’m going to check the library for some good books as well.

Thanks so much!
And I thought that I was the only parent of a child with ADHD(and now, high functioning autism) that was so totally disoganized. :o :o Thanks. You have made me feel so much better. Now, how to get myself organized…:confused:
 
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Mane Nobiscum Domine,
Ferdinand Mary
 
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