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So now along with the Brits releasing what, 85,000 pages of UFO reports and acknowledging that 5% of them have no explanation, and some nation now making public such reports as they occur, we have this bit of news from NASA:

SCIENTIST FINDS EVIDENCE OF ALIEN LIFE

He has found microbes i a very rare form of meteorite, some similar to what we have here, and some very different. You can read one short report about the announcement here:

news.yahoo.com/s/digitaltrends/nasascientistfindsevidenceofalienlife

Now with one of the most frequent caveats regarding the release of such information, or say an actual “close encounter (4),” being that it has to be approached slowly and with great caution because religious and other folks will freak, I’m wondering what anyone on here has to say about this?

RF
 
Ranklyfrank said:
So now along with the Brits releasing what, 85,000 pages of UFO reports and acknowledging that 5% of them have no explanation, and some nation now making public such reports as they occur, we have this bit of news from NASA:

SCIENTIST FINDS EVIDENCE OF ALIEN LIFE

He has found microbes i a very rare form of meteorite, some similar to what we have here, and some very different. You can read one short report about the announcement here:

news.yahoo.com/s/digitaltrends/nasascientistfindsevidenceofalienlife

Now with one of the most frequent caveats regarding the release of such information, or say an actual “close encounter (4),” being that it has to be approached slowly and with great caution because religious and other folks will freak, I’m wondering what anyone on here has to say about this?

RF
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Microbes “similar” to what we have here?!

Did they also form in some promordial soup on a far away planet?
 
Ranklyfrank said:
I guess you didn’t read it. So far I can see why there is concern.
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I most certainly did read it and so I posed a question which has long been mulled over here on planet earth.

And, whose concerned?
 
I see you are in Australia. I know it is a huge land mass, but I’m hoping you and yours were safe from the recent floods and fires!

I know that what we are talking about here is the probability that some microbes from elsewhere arrived via rocks for space. It has been hypothesized that there is a fear factor involved in discovering that we are not alone in the Universe. And while we aren’t in immediate danger of a War of the Worlds broadcast scenario, there are many who might be deeply disturbed to discover that Life on Earth is not a special and unique event. The geocentrists who are on these forums might be among those, or some fundamentalists sects in the hollows of Nowheresville. I don’t know.

So I’m just curious to see how folks take what might be a foot in the door of the need to accept that there is indeed extraterrestrial life, as indeed we now know there are some few of many planets discovered recently that are in the “sweet zone” for life as we might know it to exist.

And maybe I was being defensive and misinterpreted your question, to which I say “I don’t know.” but it would be fascinating, to me at least, to know there is more “out there.”
 
It is entertaining how materialists often pontificate that life is so rare in the universe it must be due to chance. But then… wait for it!.. when life seems to exist elsewhere they proclaim that it is so widespread it must be inevitable!

A superb example of how you can have your cake and eat it… 🙂
 
This is not news. Scientists discovered supposedly alien bacteria and fossils on meteorites a long time ago. This stuff has been on both creationist and secular/evolutionist websites for years. (I like to look at both sides for a more balanced perspective; most people I know just read from one side or the other, which isn’t very helpful when searching for truth.)

The bacteria was on a rare form of meteorite. So what? Scientists have been discovering all sorts of life forms recently, some are very strange ones especially in places like the bottom of the ocean (there are some crazy species down there!). And those are just the living ones… imagine how many more species are extinct!

I think it’s very biased information because they go in with the assumption of alien life and then conclude there is alien life (circular logic). I also notice the article does not say how old the meteorites are, or where they are from, only that they are rare. Has it been ruled out that that the fossils are from earth and got there after the meteorites landed on earth? I hope it has, considering how excited they are. But the “peer review” of scientists lately has been sort of science-fictiony when it comes to new discoveries, especially when it comes to fossils. It seems that everything is either a human ancestor or from another planet! 😃

I am not saying there is or is not alien life out there. Both are possibilities. But I am not holding my breath considering how many times this “discovery” has happened before.

If there are aliens out there, I don’t see why it matters to us. They are obviously very far from here. If the meteorite bacteria are all that’s out there, and they are similar to forms here, that’s not very interesting. If there are intelligent forms out there, then they clearly are not interested in us or they’d be communicating with us by now, especially considering there are planets that are much older than ours and their species would be far more evolved than humans.

I don’t see what all these anti-God comments are doing on there? But then Yahoo! seems to be filled with teenaged and university-aged atheists, so I wouldn’t expect more from them. Apparently, aliens are very powerful because God is dead if they exist (despite the obvious fact that the Bible doesn’t say anything either way about whether or not aliens exist), so they must have killed God. 😛
 
Ranklyfrank said:
So now along with the Brits releasing what, 85,000 pages of UFO reports and acknowledging that 5% of them have no explanation, and some nation now making public such reports as they occur, we have this bit of news from NASA:

SCIENTIST FINDS EVIDENCE OF ALIEN LIFE

He has found microbes i a very rare form of meteorite, some similar to what we have here, and some very different. You can read one short report about the announcement here:

news.yahoo.com/s/digitaltrends/nasascientistfindsevidenceofalienlife

Now with one of the most frequent caveats regarding the release of such information, or say an actual “close encounter (4),” being that it has to be approached slowly and with great caution because religious and other folks will freak, I’m wondering what anyone on here has to say about this?

RF
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What do I have to say about this?

Praise be to God in all His Glory!!

He has created an immense universe and has an unlimited ability. Whether He has only planted “life” (as we define it) here on earth, or if He has also planted life elsewhere is entirely His business.

Likewise, the methodologies He used (strict creation) or some for mof evolution, and over what time frame is of no importance to my faith.

God has asked 2 things of me…To Love Him with all of my heart, mind and strength, and to Love my neighbor as myself. I pretty much leave the rest of it to Him. 😃

Now - As to the article itself, when I first heard about it a couple days ago my only thought was, “hhmmm interesting”.
I recall something similar happening a few years back that was suppose to have proven that there was life on Mars. I believe the meteorite pieces in that case were found in Antartica. Later the conclusions were found to be false. 🤷

I have no idea of what a “fossil” of something that has no “hard” materials would look like. Other than perhaps it be an impression left, sort of like we find here on earth sometimes. But that would sem to only give a shape and little other information. So I guess we’ll have to wait for the “skeptics” to review the data and then everyone hash it out…

As for something living in space or on an asteroid or other planet etc…I don’t see these things as being particularly far fetched given the great variety of life found on earth, even in the most “inhospitable” places.

God is indeed wonderous.
I’m reminded of a line in the movie Prbin Hood (the Kevin Costner version). Morgan Freeman played a Moor who comes to England with Robin Hood. A little girl, who had obviously never seen a “black” man, comes up to him and asks:
Small Girl: Did God paint you?
Azeem: Did God paint me?
[laughs]
Azeem: For certain.
Small Girl: Why?
Azeem: Because Allah loves wondrous varieties.

This is my attitude as well. God loves wondrous variety and creates it whenever and wherever He chooses. Praise be to God.

Peace
James
 
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I have no idea of what a “fossil” of something that has no “hard” materials would look like. Other than perhaps it be an impression left, sort of like we find here on earth sometimes.
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Couldn’t spot any reports yet in the main media or SciAm, Nasa, etc. but here’s the original paper with photos: journalofcosmology.com/Life100.html (you’ll need to scroll down a bit).
 
tonyrey said:
It is entertaining how materialists often pontificate that life is so rare in the universe it must be due to chance. But then… wait for it!.. when life seems to exist elsewhere they proclaim that it is so widespread it must be inevitable!

A superb example of how you can have your cake and eat it… 🙂
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You seem to be infatuated with claiming that someone making a statement based on quantifiability or experience is “pontificating.” The other side of that is that you are “adamantine.” And I have said neither of those. Did you read either the article of the original paper?

Is God OmniPresent? If “yes” then Life is everywhere in the Universe a priori. Has God made you privy to what’s happening or not on other planets? All you are doing here is denying that anyone else in the world besides the faithful have a brain in their head. Perhaps you belong to the Beryl Baptist Church whose marquee declared:
REASON IS THE GREATEST ENEMY THAT FAITH HAS
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Ranklyfrank said:
So now along with the Brits releasing what, 85,000 pages of UFO reports and acknowledging that 5% of them have no explanation, and some nation now making public such reports as they occur, we have this bit of news from NASA:

SCIENTIST FINDS EVIDENCE OF ALIEN LIFE

He has found microbes i a very rare form of meteorite, some similar to what we have here, and some very different. You can read one short report about the announcement here:

news.yahoo.com/s/digitaltrends/nasascientistfindsevidenceofalienlife

Now with one of the most frequent caveats regarding the release of such information, or say an actual “close encounter (4),” being that it has to be approached slowly and with great caution because religious and other folks will freak, I’m wondering what anyone on here has to say about this?

RF
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Did anyone even read through this link? This is how it ends;

Update: While the Journal of Cosmology says that “no other paper in the history of science has undergone such a thorough vetting,” some highly respected names in the scientific community are challenging the validity of Cosmology, and the findings of Dr. Hoover.

“[The Journal of Cosmology] isn’t a real science journal at all,” says PZ Meyers in Science Blogs, “but is the ginned-up website of a small group of crank academics obsessed with the idea of Hoyle and Wickramasinghe that life originated in outer space and simply rained down on Earth.”

So there you have it — this is either reality-altering news, or the work of kooks. Our hearts believe, but our brains are kind of bummed.

Sounds like it may have as much credence as the latest episode of Ghost Hunters
 
Good point, RB. Yes, I read several of the news articles and the original paper itself. It was vetted as it was precisely because of its nature. The skepticism surrounding it is as integral to the process of new discovery as is faith in preventing self discovery.
 
Ranklyfrank said:
Good point, RB. Yes, I read several of the news articles and the original paper itself. It was vetted as it was precisely because of its nature. The skepticism surrounding it is as integral to the process of new discovery as is faith in preventing self discovery.
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How does “Good point” go with what you say next?

You sound like you’re all on board with this dubious website and it’s claims.

It sounds like they are just proponents of Fred Hoyle’s somewhat whacky theory that all life on earth was seeded here originally from outerspace.
 
ronnie_bonigli said:
How does “Good point” go with what you say next?

You sound like you’re all on board with this dubious website and it’s claims.

It sounds like they are just proponents of Fred Hoyle’s somewhat whacky theory that all life on earth was seeded here originally from outerspace.
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That is a hypothesis, not a theory, yes. And it is one of many as to how life forms originated here. And I’m not “all on board” with anything except being open to finding out.

If God is OmniPresent, as we say, then we may surmise that while the Biblical accounts are pertinent to the Bronze and Iron Age people and their mind sets, there is yet room, billions of light years of it, that God in His Infinitude might have used to do something to without consulting us as to its viability or for our approval. Ya think?
 
Ranklyfrank said:
That is a hypothesis, not a theory, yes. And it is one of many as to how life forms originated here. And I’m not “all on board” with anything except being open to finding out.

If God is OmniPresent, as we say, then we may surmise that while the Biblical accounts are pertinent to the Bronze and Iron Age people and their mind sets, there is yet room, billions of light years of it, that God in His Infinitude might have used to do something to without consulting us as to its viability or for our approval. Ya think?
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Obviously it’s possible that there is other life in the universe, I’ve said that myself many times here, but you don’t just assume there MUST be life. As well as hitch your wagon to dubious websites as well as falsely claim in the O.P. “we have this bit of news from NASA”, this “news” didn’t come from NASA, it came from a questionable website and some guy who has worked for NASA, much like tens of thousands of others have worked for NASA.
 
Neither do I assume there isn’t. And no one said that NASA said there was life out there, only a scientist who worked for them, as you said. Methinks you protest too much.
 
Ranklyfrank said:
Neither do I assume there isn’t. And no one said that NASA said there was life out there, only a scientist who worked for them, as you said. Methinks you protest too much.
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actually, you said "this news from NASA, implying this was some big news release from NASA, instead of being “news” from some dubiuos website. I’m sure not protesting, it is instead you that seem to be wiggling around after that OP where you talked of how religious folks would be “freaked” by this . . . ahhhm, “news”.
 
Yep, I said that. And I have heard several times from government and civil sources that some religious folks might be wigged out by such an event. So I thought it might be interesting to talk about. You can change the channel, if you like, RB. I don’t care. But you seem wigged out about it as a topic. So are they right?
 
that’s kind of a trollish move, suggesting I’m “wigged out” when I’m clearly not. And I just said a couple of posts ago that there may be other life in the universe, if you search you’ll find many posts where I say that. All that time without “wigging out”.
 
Thanks guys, learned a new phrase - wigged out: Being devoid of reality, To lose sense of normalcy, An out of body experience. To act crazy as a reaction. To briefly flirt with lunacy. – urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=wigged%20out

Conservatively there are 100 billion galaxies each with 100 billion stars in the visible universe. Even if only one in 100 billion stars has an Earth-like planet that leaves 100 billion chances for life to develop, and the signs are that primitive life develops automatically wherever it can. The next generation or so of telescopes will be able to detect atmospheric changes associated with life on exoplanets, and I think most people will take it in their stride.

What we don’t know are the odds for intelligent life appearing. Given that civilizations probably don’t endure very long compared to the age of the universe, and the huge distances involved, the chances of us bumping into another civilization seem slim. Now take me to your leader, I bring greetings from Beetlejuice VI.
 
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