Aren’t these assumptions as well?
Of course, they are on more solid footing then the belief that there is life elsewhere but…
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Of course, they are on more solid footing then the belief that there is life elsewhere but…
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Skeptic92
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Hmm, if your from America, are you sure that is life? Afterall the United States Supreme Court says that a cluster of cells in the mothers womb much bigger then the bacterium they have found on meteorites is not “life”. So if the Courts (and some scientists) say thats not life, why claim that this is?
plus this isn’t new, bacteria has been found on meteorites before, what they have yet to show me if proof of intelligent complex life, I’m open to the possibility it’s there, but we shouldn’t get excited over microbes, afterall they can develop almost anywhere, it’s intelligent life im interested in.
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mangy_dog
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Which one is more assuming?
The space civilization for which there has never been any proof, logic, reason or evidence? Or - germs and bacteria in rocks that fell from space.
The answer is closer to earth than anyone cares to investigate.
Scientists are spending millions upon millions trying to find “life” “out there”. And to date (no surprise) they have found nothing, zilch, zero, zip.
A couple of rocks fall out of the sky with microbial evidence in them and lo & behold - it turns the scientific community on it’s collective heads.
UFO proponents say, " aha!!! there’s the evidence we knew about!!
So many BA’s; MA’s and Phd’s…maybe I should dig up a meteorite in the desert, contaminate it with some of my bodily expellents and then throw it over the SETI fence.
Who knows, maybe they’ll think there’s a civilization of bagels in the distant universe.
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Ranklyfrank
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Clearly you have an agenda in this matter, so as a quick sidebar let me remind you: the Court decided that a right to privacy under the due process clause in the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution extends to a woman’s decision to have an abortion, but that right must be balanced against the state’s two legitimate interests for regulating abortions: protecting prenatal life and protecting the mother’s health, saying that these state interests become stronger over the course of a pregnancy. So the actual issue in Roe vs Wade is viability, not life as such. Andy further discussion on this needs to be on another thread.
As for intelligent life, looking at the news one must wonder if there is much of that here. Technically competent, maybe. But the industrial ontology and materialistic religion of today fail at the depth aspects of intelligence, as competent as they might be regarding surfaces. That’s also for another thread, so if you wish to go farther on either of these, please start another line of comments. Thanks for your (name removed by moderator)ut.
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Skeptic92
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- Quick sidebar, if the Courts and their expert witnessess have concluded that the fetus is alive, then an abortion breaks Article 3 of the United Nations Declaration of Human Rights “Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.”, therefore, the United States Supreme Court and their Expert Witnessess, to avoid breaking the declaration on human rights, and being forced to appear infront of the UN would have to rule that the fetus is not alive, so it has no right to life, see now?.
- You seemed to be very excited in your OP, and dodged many questions since then, but I ask, why is this such a big find, afterall microbial life is highly adaptable, and can survive in almost any environment (there microbial life in volcanic vents on the ocean floor, sulphur rich, pressure that it could crush most buildings almost instantly), once we find intelligence life, whether they be humanoid or not, it is then time to start waving the flag of the UFO junkies, untill then, i remain skeptical, with no evidence, no scientist can claim there is intelligent life out there.
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inocente
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Agreed the chances of bumping into aliens are close to zero. I was talking only about primitive life, a.k.a. slime. There will soon be telescopes that can detect signs of life in atmospheric changes on exo-planets, and I think the chances are good we will find it.
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inocente
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I’d submit that finding primitive life outside the solar system would be similar to big bang or evolution. Some folk would yawn, some would praise God, some debate the evidence forever, some say it’s a materialist conspiracy, all the usual suspects.
The chance of an encounter with intelligent life is vanishingly small, but the psychology of wanting an encounter is interesting. For example, one kind of belief in aliens reached a zenith during the cold war when, I guess, people were hoping for some outside force to prevent nuclear annihilation.
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mangy_dog
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Ok,
I’m done with this thread.
God bless you all.
mangy dog.
I’m done with this thread.
God bless you all.
mangy dog.
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Ranklyfrank
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Yes, that is kind of evident from this thread. Originally, I heard the idea of protecting religionists from destabilizing from several documentaries quoting government procedures and their reasonings a couple of decades ago when I was a UFO buff.I’d submit that finding primitive life outside the solar system would be similar to big bang or evolution. Some folk would yawn, some would praise God, some debate the evidence forever, some say it’s a materialist conspiracy, all the usual suspects.
The chance of an encounter with intelligent life is vanishingly small, but the psychology of wanting an encounter is interesting. For example, one kind of belief in aliens reached a zenith during the cold war when, I guess, people were hoping for some outside force to prevent nuclear annihilation.
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ronnie_bonigli
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You know what I find amazing about the photos we have of real live UFOs? Back in the 50’s all those pictures of UFOs had those kinds of silver “flying saucers” that looked a lot like what you’d see in the cheesy 1950’s sci-fi filcks. But now, the UFOs are a lot more high tech, like something out of a Steven Spielberg movie. It’s amazing how these aliens have advanced their technology right before our eyes in just these last 50 years, they must watch our Hollywood movies or something.I’d submit that finding primitive life outside the solar system would be similar to big bang or evolution. Some folk would yawn, some would praise God, some debate the evidence forever, some say it’s a materialist conspiracy, all the usual suspects.
The chance of an encounter with intelligent life is vanishingly small, but the psychology of wanting an encounter is interesting. For example, one kind of belief in aliens reached a zenith during the cold war when, I guess, people were hoping for some outside force to prevent nuclear annihilation.
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kbachler
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- The implication that the search is expensive is ridiculous. The cost of NASA and related programs in entirety is generally less than the cost of the OVERRUN on ONE defense system. Consequently, the cost is also minuscule when compared to entitlement programs.
Even less when we recognize that only a small fraction of the NASA and related budgets is involved in the search for life.
Additionally, the monies have been spent in ways that are low-risk.
- We have searched only a very small portion of the solar system and universe and only in relatively cost effective ways, which would typically find life on other solar worlds only if life were extraordinarily abundant and fairly advanced on those worlds.
- The argument that nothing has been found is incorrect. Evidence HAS been found, some quoted to you previously. What seems to bother you is that the evidence is not yet conclusive.
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kbachler
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The original estimates have been revised by additional evidence. For example, in 1961 when Drake first made his guesses, no extra-solar planets were known. Now we know of a couple hundred or more, and are even beginning to observe worlds that are in the range of Earth-sized - much harder worlds to find. We can then look at the number of stars observed for worlds and the number of stars that have worlds and come up with estimates (no doubt to be revised again). The difference is that knowledge is advancing. We can also try to look for how many of the worlds are likely to have life based on what we know about the necessary conditions for life.
It has also helped spur researchers to study the conditions for life; we know now that life can survive in a much broader range of conditions than we knew in 1961.
It has helped people consider the possibilities of civilizations dying out, destroying themselves, or being replaced by new civilizations and developing mathematical models for how that works. These thought processes can be applied to our own societies and issues.
Believe it or not, pure research around a given problem, OFTEN has long term benefits. You might as well argue that the four color problem, or various issues in probability were worthless because they had no immediate practical application - yet later it was found that they did.
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