ADL Hails House Approval Of Workplace Protections For Gays And Lesbians

[bones_IV]

New York, N.Y., November 7, 2007 … The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) welcomed approval of the Employment Non-Discrimination Act (ENDA) by the House of Representatives. The measure, which would extend legal protections from employment discrimination to gays and lesbians, was approved by a vote of 235-184. It was the first time the House approved the legislation; the Senate defeated the measure by a single vote in 1996.
Glen S. Lewy, ADL National Chair, and Abraham H. Foxman, ADL National Director, issued the following statement:
Our nation has taken an important step forward toward equality of opportunity with approval of the Employment Non-Discrimination Act by the House of Representatives. ADL firmly believes that employment decisions such as hiring, firing, promotion and compensation should be based on merit, performance and ability – and never on the basis of an individual’s sexual orientation. No one should be dismissed from a job solely because of his or her sexual orientation.

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May God remove the gunk and the filth out of the hearts of these Godless people.

 

[Holly3278]

I personally do not believe that a person should be fired because of their sexual orientation. However, if they are being disruptive and flirting with other members of the same sex and thereby causing disruption, that would be a cause for firing them.

 

[DanteAlighieri]

…No one should be dismissed from a job solely because of his or her sexual orientation.

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May God remove the gunk and the filth out of the hearts of these Godless people.

How exactly is it Godless gunk and filth to think that gays should be protected from losing their jobs due to discrimination? The description of this new law you provided does not include the right to have gay sex at work, or even to proselytize people on the “virtue” of homosexuality – it merely protects them from discrimination by employers.

It’s a somewhat redundant law, since such discrimination is already illegal, but it hardly seems immoral, and it seems a bit uncharitable to characterize its proponents as “Godless”.

Peace,
Dante

 

[pathia]

I’ve been terminated multiple times for being perceived as GLBT. Whenever a background check is done on me, since I cannot modify my records, I am instantly outed and often fired. Since I cannot modify my birth certificate my undergraduate school won’t modify my transcripts either, which means soon as someone wants verification of my degrees, I’m instantly outed. I don’t talk about my home life, I don’t talk about my life’s history, I just don’t.

So far I’ve been terminated from seven positions this way. I’ve had over twelve interviews ‘withdrawn’ once they got my transcripts. My GPA was already on my resume, so it leaves only a few reasons that it could have been done.

I’m lucky to make more than 15,000 a year, despite having a Master’s degree. The only jobs that could care less about what I am are minimum wage drudgery. I’ve been homeless for months at a time because of this, living out of one’s car is not fun, especially when you have to keep moving to not get arrested for loitering. I am not welcome at 90% of the shelters around me if they find out my history, and that’s easier to do when I’m gross and unable to take care of myself with simple things like showers and hair removal.

I’ve been assaulted three times for what I am, once in highschool. The other two doing innocuous things like, going to the grocery store, and going to staples. Two of those times I was hospitalized, and at the hospital I was refused/delayed in treatment and had to sit around in pain because they assumed I had HIV and/or various other STDs. I am legally discriminated against by insurance companies as well, so whenever I do go to the ER, I rack up a massive bill.

I currently have legal proceedings against me by at least one hospital for appendicitis, which I couldn’t pay because as seen above I only make 15,000 or so a year. I use free wifi and libraries to browse the net, I don’t have even simple things like a phone, those are too expensive right now.

Some of this IS under my control and my fault, but society’s hatred of me certainly does not help my situation.

 

[wifeandmomoftwo]

I’ve been terminated multiple times for being perceived as GLBT. Whenever a background check is done on me, since I cannot modify my records, I am instantly outed and often fired. Since I cannot modify my birth certificate my undergraduate school won’t modify my transcripts either, which means soon as someone wants verification of my degrees, I’m instantly outed. I don’t talk about my home life, I don’t talk about my life’s history, I just don’t.

I am sorry really confused here.
what records are they checking? and why would they check your records (what are you doing that you need a backround check run)?

So far I’ve been terminated from seven positions this way. I’ve had over twelve interviews ‘withdrawn’ once they got my transcripts. My GPA was already on my resume, so it leaves only a few reasons that it could have been done.

Sorry once again…but what is on our transcript that is making people withdraw offers?

 

[pathia]

I am sorry really confused here.
what records are they checking? and why would they check your records (what are you doing that you need a backround check run)?

Sorry once again…but what is on our transcript that is making people withdraw offers?

I have degrees in business, just about any job I apply for requires drug tests and proof of validity of my education, and also criminal checks for white collar crime history etc. This is post Enron after all.

I am intersexed/transseuxal. My old name is on all those records, a name that does not fit my current appearance. Once they find that name, they instantly know what I am.

 

[wifeandmomoftwo]

I have degrees in business, just about any job I apply for requires drug tests and proof of validity of my education, and also criminal checks for white collar crime history etc. This is post Enron after all.

I am intersexed/transseuxal. My old name is on all those records, a name that does not fit my current appearance. Once they find that name, they instantly know what I am.

Have you legally changed your name? had a sex change? if so then why wouldnt your new name etc. be on the records?

 

[pathia]

Have you legally changed your name? had a sex change? if so then why wouldnt your new name etc. be on the records?

I have legally changed my name, the fact that I legally changed it will always be on the records and cannot be expunged. This is to prevent people from using a name change to run away from debt.

The operation I need costs somewhere around $50,000 to 100,000, probably more because I am intersexed and have already been operated on. Even with that history it is not covered by any insurance or health care of any sort. I am already in over my head over a hundred grand just from things like appendicitis and kidney stones.

Even if I were to have it, the state I was born in does not allow for modification of birth certificates, it will always have the wrong name and sex unless the law is changed. This means even cursory background checks always find out my history. I am not one of those ‘out and loud’ people. I just want to come in quietly to work, but that apparently isn’t allowed for ‘people like me’.

 

[DanteAlighieri]

I have legally changed my name, the fact that I legally changed it will always be on the records and cannot be expunged. This is to prevent people from using a name change to run away from debt.

The operation I need costs somewhere around $50,000 to 100,000, probably more because I am intersexed and have already been operated on. Even with that history it is not covered by any insurance or health care of any sort. I am already in over my head over a hundred grand just from things like appendicitis and kidney stones.

Even if I were to have it, the state I was born in does not allow for modification of birth certificates, it will always have the wrong name and sex unless the law is changed. This means even cursory background checks always find out my history. I am not one of those ‘out and loud’ people. I just want to come in quietly to work, but that apparently isn’t allowed for ‘people like me’.

With all due respect, the fact that you are frequenting a Catholic discussion forum suggests to me that, on some level, you are perhaps not entirely sure that your chosen lifestyle is the right one. I hope you’ll understand that I’m not trying to belittle you here, but you say you “need” an operation – I presume to finish your sex change. Have you given any thought to speaking to a priest about this? Is it possible that you do not, in fact, need to go through with it? It may be too late to go back to where you started, but it’s not too late to say, “no more”.

I know this doesn’t address the fact that you are facing difficulty getting a job, but perhaps this is a blessing that you are unable to carry out what you intend.

Again, I don’t want you to think that I’m condemning you, but you are among people who believe strongly that you are doing yourself harm by pursuing this lifestyle.

You are in my prayers.

Peace,
Dante

 

[pathia]

With all due respect, the fact that you are frequenting a Catholic discussion forum suggests to me that, on some level, you are perhaps not entirely sure that your chosen lifestyle is the right one. I hope you’ll understand that I’m not trying to belittle you here, but you say you “need” an operation – I presume to finish your sex change. Have you given any thought to speaking to a priest about this? Is it possible that you do not, in fact, need to go through with it? It may be too late to go back to where you started, but it’s not too late to say, “no more”.

I know this doesn’t address the fact that you are facing difficulty getting a job, but perhaps this is a blessing that you are unable to carry out what you intend.

Again, I don’t want you to think that I’m condemning you, but you are among people who believe strongly that you are doing yourself harm by pursuing this lifestyle.

You are in my prayers.

Peace,
Dante

Do I need the operation? Yes, actually. As I stated, I am intersexed. The older (and now considered offensive) term for this is hermaphrodite. I was operated on as an infant to correct what was termed a birth defect. As a result I am completely barren, sterile, and prone to infections, kidney stones and many other things of a grossness level I’m sure people here do not wish to hear about because my entire genital tract was screwed up WORSE by what the doctors did to me as an infant. They made it ‘look’ okay, but functionally and hygienically it is a disaster.

There was no ‘starting point’ for me. I did not finish puberty as a child, because the doctors lied to my parents and said I would develop normally. What did develop was mixed, I was tall as the boys in my family, but I had breast development and outside of the height absolutely no masculine development at all. I was diagnosed with osteoporosis at the age of nineteen because my hormones were that of a post-menopausal woman, while my body was trying to grow so it sapped what bone mass I did have.

My face and jaw are deformed from the odd genetic structure I have and required extensive plastic surgery on my jaw just to allow me to chew like a normal human being. If I say ‘no more’ at this point, or any point really, I would likely die an early death from a bacterial infection spawned from the aftereffects of what the butchers that mutilated me did when I was younger.

It isn’t a ‘lifestyle’ decision on my part, please don’t use such terminology, it doesn’t apply. I am in a catholic forum because I have been more or less removed from the chuch I grew up with. I have no other way to interact with the religion I had as a child.

Oh, as for talking to a priest. I’ve tried, they’re so confused by my situation they can offer me no advice, because the Vatican does not teach anything in particular about transsexuals with an intersex past. We are a minority in a minority in a minority. There’s no way to establish precedent for these sorts of things.

 

[DanteAlighieri]

Do I need the operation? Yes, actually. As I stated, I am intersexed. The older (and now considered offensive) term for this is hermaphrodite. I was operated on as an infant to correct what was termed a birth defect. As a result I am completely barren, sterile, and prone to infections, kidney stones and many other things of a grossness level I’m sure people here do not wish to hear about because my entire genital tract was screwed up WORSE by what the doctors did to me as an infant. They made it ‘look’ okay, but functionally and hygienically it is a disaster.

There was no ‘starting point’ for me. I did not finish puberty as a child, because the doctors lied to my parents and said I would develop normally. What did develop was mixed, I was tall as the boys in my family, but I had breast development and outside of the height absolutely no masculine development at all. I was diagnosed with osteoporosis at the age of nineteen because my hormones were that of a post-menopausal woman, while my body was trying to grow so it sapped what bone mass I did have.

My face and jaw are deformed from the odd genetic structure I have and required extensive plastic surgery on my jaw just to allow me to chew like a normal human being. If I say ‘no more’ at this point, or any point really, I would likely die an early death from a bacterial infection spawned from the aftereffects of what the butchers that mutilated me did when I was younger.

It isn’t a ‘lifestyle’ decision on my part, please don’t use such terminology, it doesn’t apply. I am in a catholic forum because I have been more or less removed from the chuch I grew up with. I have no other way to interact with the religion I had as a child.

Oh, as for talking to a priest. I’ve tried, they’re so confused by my situation they can offer me no advice, because the Vatican does not teach anything in particular about transsexuals with an intersex past. We are a minority in a minority in a minority. There’s no way to establish precedent for these sorts of things.

Please forgive my ignorance; I did not know what you meant by “intersexed”, so I assumed it was a euphemism for being between genders as a result of beginning “gender reassignment”. I meant no disrespect, and I appreciate that you are in a uniquely difficult situation.

That said, I would strongly suggest that you continue to search for a priest who can help you. That you have not yet found one does not mean there isn’t one. Certainly, you should return to the Church; I can’t imagine a scenario in which a person in your situation would not be welcome, provided that you are not in mortal sin, to receive the Eucharist. If ever there was a need for God’s grace in your life, it’s now!

I will continue to pray for you. There is hope, even if it’s hard to see it.

Peace,
Dante

 

[pathia]

Please forgive my ignorance; I did not know what you meant by “intersexed”, so I assumed it was a euphemism for being between genders as a result of beginning “gender reassignment”. I meant no disrespect, and I appreciate that you are in a uniquely difficult situation.

Dante

Intersex is a medical term that has been in use for over twenty years as a more compassionate explanation and definition of people who are born between the sexes. Hermaphrodite is offensive because it pulls from pagan images of fertility gods and godesses, when actually just about every intersexed person is actually sterile.

Being compared to a pagan image of fertility is pretty mind staggering when you suffer from permanent sterility and issues with your genital tract being completely unnormal from 99.9% of the rest of the planet!

I’ve gone to at least four or five priests, I’ve lost count. I’ve yet to find one that will help me, they all try to send me to Courage for some reason, when that isn’t my problem. My problem is a medical problem, it has nothing to do with having to surpress sexual urges, due to my problems I have ZERO sex drive anyway, abstinence is easy for me. Probably the one blessing I have in the whole ordeal

 

[DanteAlighieri]

Intersex is a medical term that has been in use for over twenty years as a more compassionate explanation and definition of people who are born between the sexes. Hermaphrodite is offensive because it pulls from pagan images of fertility gods and godesses, when actually just about every intersexed person is actually sterile.

Being compared to a pagan image of fertility is pretty mind staggering when you suffer from permanent sterility and issues with your genital tract being completely unnormal from 99.9% of the rest of the planet!

I’ve gone to at least four or five priests, I’ve lost count. I’ve yet to find one that will help me, they all try to send me to Courage for some reason, when that isn’t my problem. My problem is a medical problem, it has nothing to do with having to surpress sexual urges, due to my problems I have ZERO sex drive anyway, abstinence is easy for me. Probably the one blessing I have in the whole ordeal

You have to forgive those priests their ignorance, too…as I’m sure you’re aware, most people (myself included) have little to no experience with someone in your situation.

As far as your employment issues go: have you considered changing your name back to what’s on your birth certificate? Seems like that might alleviate some of the concern, since only a really in-depth background check would bring that up (I would imagine).

And don’t give up on our clergy – ask St. Anthony to help you find a spiritual director, and contact the diocese for help.

Peace,
Dante

 

[RomanCrusader]

Anti-Decency-Lunatics

The Jewish-atheistic ADL has an obvious agenda, and its time people wake up and see it.

Moses would weep at the sight of the ADL and its godless rabbis.

 

[pathia]

You have to forgive those priests their ignorance, too…as I’m sure you’re aware, most people (myself included) have little to no experience with someone in your situation.

As far as your employment issues go: have you considered changing your name back to what’s on your birth certificate? Seems like that might alleviate some of the concern, since only a really in-depth background check would bring that up (I would imagine).

And don’t give up on our clergy – ask St. Anthony to help you find a spiritual director, and contact the diocese for help.

Peace,
Dante

laugh
That would cause even more confusion than the other way around. I don’t look like anything like my birth name. It is a very masculine name, and I never even looked male when I was trying to be one.

 

[Jaypeeto4]

When I was in college years ago,
I knew an intersexed male.
He took no female hormones at all, he was born with his condition. He had breasts, the “coke-bottle” figure of a woman, big hips and was naturally effeminate even though he had male sexual organs (he used the men’s restroom).

He was also “straight” and a devout Christian.

These folks need our compassion and fervent prayers
for their spiritual and physical wellbeing, as well as their mental
wellbeing, for this is a hellish condition to have, I am sure.

Jaypeeto4
+JMJ+

 

[goofyjim]

One should only be fired if they are causing a disruption in the workplace. This can be heterosexual flirting or homosexual. If they are otherwise doing their job then they should not lose it for any perceived sexual orientation.