Admonishing Sinners

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I would just like to know when, how and to whom do you admonish? For example am I obliged to admonish everyone?? Like one day I was in school and I heard a person from my class say something negative about a certain teacher to a student in a different class, I happened to be standing near enough to the scene and I just kind of minded my own business kind of thing, did I do the right thing when it wasn’t my conversation to be getting involved in?? Any advice please!!
 
First thing in the morning, I admonish the sinner that looks back at me from the mirror as I’m shaving… The rest of the day I spend working on the log in my own eye.

But that’s just me

God bless.
 
First thing in the morning, I admonish the sinner that looks back at me from the mirror as I’m shaving… The rest of the day I spend working on the log in my own eye.

But that’s just me

God bless.
I agree with this. Our first obligation is to admonish ourselves.
As to admonishing others, it depends on the particular situation and who is involved.
If the people are close to you - and of similar faith beliefs then perhaps you can all make a pact to admonish each other…That way no one is seen as acting “holier than thou”.
If the situation is with people you do not know well and/or you know they are not particularly spiritual, correction would need to be more circumspect.

I cannot make any statement on the posted specific since I don’t know the people involved. It sounds as though at most you could have maybe stood up for the teacher…but that is about it.

Pray on the matter and perhaps ask your priest. After all, if anyone has been in these kinds of situations, he has…😉

Peace
James
 
I’ve always been particularly curious why we have this as an act of mercy.

To me, “instruct the ignorant” should be sufficient. At least around here, anyway.

To “admonish the sinner” makes it sound like we feel some sort of superiority. And it seems to be pretty easy to come by – if this is an act of mercy than great mercy has been bestowed on all of us who have been on these forums a while. Most of us know each other only through what we type.

Alan
 
If somebody is insulting or attacking Jesus Christ than you should admonish them.
I think the best words to use before we admonish in a situation like this, would be the words our Lord said Himself when He was being physically attacked to death:

“Father, forgive them, they know not what they do.”

Keep in mind that anyone who “knows” Jesus loves Him, because He is love. So when people want to insult or make fun of Jesus I think it is usually a false Jesus – the way Jesus has been presented to this person by whatever religion they belong to. And Jesus has been presented in many very ugly ways by different members of many “Christian” religion. That’s why when somebody has this sort of problem, it can pay to ask them what is hurting them about Jesus and let them talk – many times they will tell you why and then you can find out what their angle is. That gives you information on how to win them over for Jesus.

Alan
 
To be honest I’m not getting the answer I was looking for. Everyday I come into contact with people who use bad language and slander others. I would feel very uncomfortable admonishing them in their presence, and for example ( I’m 15 btw) if I hear an adult cursing do I have to admonish them?? If anyone could clear this up it would be great!
 
To be honest I’m not getting the answer I was looking for. Everyday I come into contact with people who use bad language and slander others. I would feel very uncomfortable admonishing them in their presence, and for example ( I’m 15 btw) if I hear an adult cursing do I have to admonish them?? If anyone could clear this up it would be great!
Perhaps this will help…From Mt 18:15-17
15 "If your brother sins, go and show him his fault in private; if he listens to you, you have won your brother. 16 "But if he does not listen to you, take one or two more with you, so that by the mouth of two or three witnesses every fact may be confirmed. 17 "If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church (Singular); and if he refuses to listen even to the church let him be as a tax collector.
Now I know this is not “directly applicable” but consider what is being said here.
"If your brother sins…: - that would mean the person is known to you as a professing Christian…
“…show him his fault in private…” - in this way you do not embarrass them in public.

If they refuse to listen you might bring witnesses and even “the church” informally…in the form of other friends, or writings/teachings of the Church. If the person refuses to listen even to these things…Jesus says there is not much you can do - you have tried to help them and they have turned from God…So just let them go and do not associate with them if possible.

Now - it is a bit different if the person is not known to you as a “brother”, a practicing Christian. In this case there is not a lot you can do other than to be as good an example of Christian Love as possible. You can try to engage them gently and privately in how hurtful their actions are, but mostly it would need to be a form of gentle evangelization rather than a case of “admonishing the sinner”…

Hope this helps some…

Peace
James
 
To be honest I’m not getting the answer I was looking for. Everyday I come into contact with people who use bad language and slander others. I would feel very uncomfortable admonishing them in their presence, and for example ( I’m 15 btw) if I hear an adult cursing do I have to admonish them?? If anyone could clear this up it would be great!
What a great question! I think that everyone encounters this type of negativity on a daily basis. It’s true that if you rush to criticize someone, especially in front of others, that you stand a strong chance of making matters worse for the other person and for yourself. Most people would get defensive. At the end of the day, you’d make more enemies than friends.

As the other posters have noted, our goal as Christians is to win back as many of God’s children as possible. So how do you actually do this and get the results that you want? The befriending scenario is a good idea as, often times, a good example will set things right. If you don’t swear, others will often not swear around you as a silent form of respect. Just being a good example is the best strategy if you don’t know the other person well. The light of Christ will shine through the darkness, right?

Yes, we all know that teenagers and young adults are tough to work with since immaturity and rebellion are strong factors causing them to act out. So, if you do get to know some of these people through friendships or acquaintances, again try to “show” them instead of “tell” them the message that you are intending to convey. Tell stories about YOU where slander has hurt you without making an accusation against them. Think of an example where swearing has made someone look badly in the eyes of others. It’s not easy to do this without preaching, but look for opportunities in casual conversation where it won’t seem like you are admonishing or preaching. Trust me, sharing personal stories evokes empathy in the listener, and they’ll start to understand what you mean without being told what to think. Preaching only pushes people away as the defensive reaction is almost instinctive.

Ultimately, you have to realize that you CAN’T convince anybody of anything! Each person has to conduct that process internally so that they will really make a conscious decision to improve their lives. Setting a good example and being a good friend in your casual conversations may win them over much easier than direct accusations and awkward interpersonal conversations. Show them that you don’t have to be a dork to follow Christ. You can still be a cool and confident person who is also strong in your faith in Christ.

Being a positive and confident Christian goes a long way towards influencing others. There are a few guys at work that I am slowly working on. It’s a very slow, uphill process, but I can see improvements in all of us from our interactions.

Honestly, guys, do you think that any teenage Christians or young adults are mature enough in their faith to act as accountability partners in mutually admonishing each other?
 
I think the best words to use before we admonish in a situation like this, would be the words our Lord said Himself when He was being physically attacked to death:

“Father, forgive them, they know not what they do.”

Keep in mind that anyone who “knows” Jesus loves Him, because He is love. So when people want to insult or make fun of Jesus I think it is usually a false Jesus – the way Jesus has been presented to this person by whatever religion they belong to. And Jesus has been presented in many very ugly ways by different members of many “Christian” religion. That’s why when somebody has this sort of problem, it can pay to ask them what is hurting them about Jesus and let them talk – many times they will tell you why and then you can find out what their angle is. That gives you information on how to win them over for Jesus.

Alan
Maybe in America.

Anyone I’ve ever heard insult Jesus in my life have done it with pure contempt.

The IRA don’t help things either.
 
Maybe in America.

Anyone I’ve ever heard insult Jesus in my life have done it with pure contempt.

The IRA don’t help things either.
I’ve heard it with contempt. Just that it seems their view of “Jesus” is kind of skewed. Somehow they see Jesus as controlling and micromanaging our very thoughts and worse, rather than as liberating.

I suppose there are those who know the story of Jesus who view Him with contempt; I just can’t say that one can truly “know” Him – which they can only do by following His commands to love – and still have such contempt. To know Him is to love Him.

Alan
 
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