Admonishment from the Pulpit - No Shorts!

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Pariah Pirana:
A good friend of mine walks to daily Mass wearing shorts, a polo/golf shirt and deck shoes – definately the wrong look for attending the Mass.

Before he enters the church he pulls-on a pair of khaki pants and an ancient navy blue blazer he keeps rolled-up in a grocery bag. They look just fine

The transformation is amazing – all in about 1 minute he goes from looking as though he is planning for what follows the Mass, to one of the better dressed people at Mass…
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Khaki pants are hardly dress pants, tell him that a grocery bag could easily fit a suit.
Deck Shoes are just worse then tennis shoes…
Talk about dressing to respect :mad:
 
CatholicCid- I see nothing wrong with khaki pants. When my husband isn’t serving, he wears khakis and a polo shirt with casual brown shoes. He looks perfectly respectful.

Many in my church wear jeans, which we think is inappropriate. We don’t see too many shorts at our church. We never wear shorts. Women are lucky, however; we can wear a knee-length shirt and be just as cool as in shorts, but still look good! 🙂

Only young children should wear shorts. Mass is a special occasion and should be treated as such.
 
Only in recent years have I even slackened up to the point of wearing short-sleeve shirts to church, and I feel a bit improper doing that. It’s just been an accomodation to the Texas heat.
 
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mercygate:
I’m rather surprised that people at Assumption Grotto needed reminding. That is an exceptional parish with an exceptional congregation.
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I was surprised too, but I think it may have had something to do with an entire family in shorts, right in the aisle on the way up to the altar. But, they could have been passing through as I’ve heard there are many “irregulars” at this parish.

😉

I’ve only been going there for four weeks and I’ve seen at least four examples of admonishment in one form or another.

First one was this, which literally dragged me into confession with the Pastor where I emptied my closet of all the things I had only bothered to put half an effort into fixing over many years. I’ve since cleaned the closet again after the Lord revealed more to me and it got overwhelming.

assumptiongrotto.com/pastor%20files/05-15-05.htm

Then there was this one (check out the second paragraph if you want to cut to the chase on this one):

assumptiongrotto.com/pastor%20files/05-29-05.htm

The next one was from the pulpit during the feast of Corpus Christi when Fr. Eusebius Schwald, ORC spoke of the need to pay respect to the Lord through gestures such as kneeling, genuflecting and bowing and I do have another post on this.

He got me good by discussing how the straight knee is a sign of strength, but the bent knee is a sign of humility and how we should humble ourselves before the Lord. His entire homily centered around how to show respect to the Blessed Sacrament and it hit home for me.

And then, there was the subject of this post.

That is four admonishments in 4 weeks - all of which affected me deeply. I think the priests at Assumption Grotto do a good job of “maintenance” to make sure we don’t slack back into sloppiness.

But I’ve also read in this book goodbyegoodmen.com/priest.html where the pastor, Fr. Perrone is profiled, that they talk about contraception and abortion several times a year from the pulpit (and you see lots of big families here). In fact, Assumption Grotto has lots of youthful faces and even my cousin with a PhD in sociology noticed it when she walked in. People are drawn to this just as I am.

If they aren’t afraid to talk about contraception and abortion, then there is nothing they are afraid to talk about.
 
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CatholicCid:
Khaki pants are hardly dress pants, tell him that a grocery bag could easily fit a suit.
Deck Shoes are just worse then tennis shoes…
Talk about dressing to respect :mad:
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You’re flat-out wrong.

Khaki pants can be quite dressy and they are most certainly suitable for attending Mass. I really don’t know what “khaki pants” mean to you, but they mean “Levis Docker” type pants to me – which often look far dressier than some of the odd, ill-fitting woolen dress slacks I see worn by some Tridentiners.

You’re flat-out wrong about the shoes as well.

“Deck shoe” (such as Sperry Topsiders) are also more than appropriate for the Mass. He keeps his clean and shined. To equate them to being “worse than tennis shoes” shows horrible ignorance.

Carrying a suit in a grocery bag might be your style. It’s not his – thanks be to God.
 
For various I made a conscious decision to start dressing better last summer, which for me meant forsaking the jeans for khakis and actually wearing a dress on occasion. I never did wear shorts and always thought men in those big baggy gangsta shorts looked bad. Like, when is he going to get out of short pants? It’s like everyone is reverting to earliest childhood…especially at my work, a tech company where programmers walk around barefoot and one tech writer seems to be always in her jammies. Since I started dressing better at both work *and *church, things have really picked up for me and I’ve been getting much more involved in the community. It really helps to not be in a state of perpetual shame about my shabby appearance, and it was all just sloth after all.
 
Pariah Pirana:
You’re flat-out wrong.

Khaki pants can be quite dressy and they are most certainly suitable for attending Mass. I really don’t know what “khaki pants” mean to you, but they mean “Levis Docker” type pants to me – which often look far dressier than some of the odd, ill-fitting woolen dress slacks I see worn by some Tridentiners.

You’re flat-out wrong about the shoes as well.

“Deck shoe” (such as Sperry Topsiders) are also more than appropriate for the Mass. He keeps his clean and shined. To equate them to being “worse than tennis shoes” shows horrible ignorance.

Carrying a suit in a grocery bag might be your style. It’s not his – thanks be to God.
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Khakis are pants you wear on casual friday or while in high school… True respectful people will come decked out in black dress pants with a shirt and tie. “Deck Shoes” whether cleaned or shined are titled “DECK” shoes for a reason… They aren’t MASS shoes or DRESS shoes, no they are DECK shoes.

Why in the world am I arguing about this? Do I even believe it? Not really… I wear Khakis to Mass as well…
All I wanted you to see was there is a difference in opinion between what some consider “dress” clothes and respectful to what others consider…
Next time you see someone in clothes that YOU don’t consider respectful, well it might be completely respectful for them.
 
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CatholicCid:
Khakis are pants you wear on casual friday or while in high school… True respectful people will come decked out in black dress pants with a shirt and tie. “Deck Shoes” whether cleaned or shined are titled “DECK” shoes for a reason… They aren’t MASS shoes or DRESS shoes, no they are DECK shoes.

Why in the world am I arguing about this? Do I even believe it? Not really… I wear Khakis to Mass as well…
All I wanted you to see was there is a difference in opinion between what some consider “dress” clothes and respectful to what others consider…
Next time you see someone in clothes that YOU don’t consider respectful, well it might be completely respectful for them.
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1.) Pants color means nothing. Black pants are largely a fad right now. While there is certainly nothing wrong with black, it dosen’t make pants any more acceptable if they are black versus khaki.

2.) I had no idea that “Mass shoes” existed. In any event deck shoes are more than appropriate – certainly far moe than tennis shoes.
 
Pariah Pirana said:
1.) Pants color means nothing. Black pants are largely a fad right now. While there is certainly nothing wrong with black, it dosen’t make pants any more acceptable if they are black versus khaki.

2.) I had no idea that “Mass shoes” existed. In any event deck shoes are more than appropriate – certainly far moe than tennis shoes.
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I put the 2nd paragraph for a reason… Trying to argue trivial matters really mean nothing to me… Since, I was just pulling stuff out of a hat there.
 
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Lux_et_veritas:
The next one was from the pulpit during the feast of Corpus Christi when Fr. Eusebius Schwald, ORC spoke of the need to pay respect to the Lord through gestures such as kneeling, genuflecting and bowing and I do have another post on this.
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I was there the first Sunday Fr. Eusebius arrived. He was outstanding!
goodbyegoodmen.com/priest.html where the pastor, Fr. Perrone is profiled, that they talk about contraception and abortion several times a year from the pulpit (and you see lots of big families here). In fact, Assumption Grotto has lots of youthful faces and even my cousin with a PhD in sociology noticed it when she walked in. People are drawn to this just as I am.
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I think that book was *Priest, *where Fr. Perrone is profiled in a whole chapter.
 
Forgive me, but this reminds me of a story from the “old days.”

My high school chemistry teacher was a nun, whose order still dressed in a full–and I do mean FULL habit.

The school was not air conditioned. One day, we are all irritable and not paying attention, and complaining about the heat.

The nun said, “So, is it too hot in here? Do think it’s not hot in HERE?” (pointing to her habit).“If I can teach in this heat, you can listen!”
 
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JimG:
Forgive me, but this reminds me of a story from the “old days.”

My high school chemistry teacher was a nun, whose order still dressed in a full–and I do mean FULL habit.

The school was not air conditioned. One day, we are all irritable and not paying attention, and complaining about the heat.

The nun said, “So, is it too hot in here? Do think it’s not hot in HERE?” (pointing to her habit).“If I can teach in this heat, you can listen!”
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Wouldn’t that be extremly dangerous if she was working with chemicals?
So much restriction would seem a little unsafe
 
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CatholicCid:
Wouldn’t that be extremly dangerous if she was working with chemicals?
So much restriction would seem a little unsafe
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Nothing much restricted her. She used to walk to school and we could always identify her from afar just by the way she walked. No demure nun’s movements there.
 
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JimG:
Forgive me, but this reminds me of a story from the “old days.”

My high school chemistry teacher was a nun, whose order still dressed in a full–and I do mean FULL habit.

The school was not air conditioned. One day, we are all irritable and not paying attention, and complaining about the heat.

The nun said, “So, is it too hot in here? Do think it’s not hot in HERE?” (pointing to her habit).“If I can teach in this heat, you can listen!”
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God Bless her Heart. This is a fact!
 
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JimG:
Nothing much restricted her. She used to walk to school and we could always identify her from afar just by the way she walked. No demure nun’s movements there.
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I mean when working with chemicals… Any loose or frivolous (sp?) clothing could be extremely dangerous when around an open flame or working with any chemicals
 
Not to sound like a heathen, but I wear jeans & a T-shirt to mass every week. Its all I ever wear. I don’t even own a suit (nor do I have the money to spend $100+ dollars on a suit…if I could find one that cheap), I don’t have the money to spend more than maybe $10-$20 on a piece of clothing. I wear the cleanest, newest pair of blue jeans I own (I have 4 pairs of pants usually), and one of my better shirts, and a clean pair of tennis shoes (a pair for work & a pair for everywhere else).

I would prefer to dress up a bit, but its frankly beyond my means…and even if I did have a little more money, I have better places to spend it than on nice clothes. I have no problem with people dressing within their means (obviously), but I still think there should be some standards…people dressed in beach attire should change before mass. Flip-flops & shorts just don’t cut it at Mass. I also wish that the younger females would refrain from the tight tops & low cut tight pants…they’re too distracting. I do get offended by people who act like you have to wear a suit to mass…I’m doing the best I can, and spending hundreds on a nice suit is out of the question, not to mention the dry cleaning expenses, when you have $80 to buy food after paying your essential bills.

Attire should be clean, and in good repair. Not revealing or skimpy in any way. Shorts might be OK, depending on the style & length. This is what my Wife & I aspire to…
 
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CatholicCid:
I mean when working with chemicals… Any loose or frivolous (sp?) clothing could be extremely dangerous when around an open flame or working with any chemicals
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No chemical reaction would dare to cross her. We were convinced of it. Seriously, she oversaw the lab work quite easily.

And now, we return you to your normal thread. . .
 
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CatholicCid:
How would talks on Church belief be in the same area as church wear… If he recieves letters about contraception, pro life votes, ect… That means people are listening so may as well give them more than an earful
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Any homily he gives which might startle people out of their complancency, whether regarding the dress code or politics or essentials of the faith, can and has resulted in letters of complaint, not to him, but to the bishop. (personally I see that as a lack of charity to not offer him the chance to respond before sending a letter to the bishop, but . . .) The bishop has a definite tendency to be sympathetic to the more pastoral side of things, and has made that pretty clear to Fr. Fr has found his effectiveness has been somewhat compromised by the flurry these talks have generated and is working on getting the same message across in a way that doesn’t cause undue hard feelings while staying faithful to the message.
 
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Isidore_AK:
Not to sound like a heathen, but I wear jeans & a T-shirt to mass every week.
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I guess there’s nothing wrong with that. And you probably wouldn’t want to wear shorts in Anchorage anyway.
 
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TJD:
This sort of thing really hurts me…I think it hurts the Church as well.

Please, support your pastor.
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Either I’m misunderstanding you, or you misunderstood me. I do support him. Unfortunately some do not, and have written the bishop, who in turn supports the people.
 
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