Adolf Hitler and Islam

[morning_star777]

I am sure , in next few months or years ( if not days ) , Christians will claim that it was Muslims who killed their Lord.

Very interesting post.Btw, Are you sure that Christians will claim such thing?

 

[meedo]

Two questions:

1. What made it their land?
2. By this way of thinking, would it be OK with Muslims for the non-Muslim to hate Muslims for taking land belonging to the non-Muslim?

It is their land. They lived on it and had a common identity.

where did muslims expel Christians from their land ? ! You ahve now a catholic community in lebanon whoa re relatives for the crusaders, if we wanted to kick them out we would have done so long time ago!!

 

[meedo]

Because, “He who sups with the devil must have a long spoon.”

i do not understand what you say

 

[jakasaki]

Muslims didn’t hate teh jews , they hated whatever colonialists that came to take their land. It happened in palestine that they were jews. Arabs and muslims hated whomever took their land. if hitler said he will liberate us from whomever takes our land ( whomever that might be , jew , american , british , alien!, you name it) hen we will side with him tio liberate our land.

Muslims did indeed hated the Jews.

Why do you always hear muslims make the same statement over and over.

Haven’t you read about Jerusalems Mufti Haj Amin el-Husseini who hated the Jews so bad he teamed up with hitler.

Once in Berlin, the Mufti received an enthusiastic reception by the “Islamische Zentralinstitut” and the whole Islamic community of Germany, which welcomed him as the “Führer of the Arabic world.” In an introductory speech,** he called the Jews the “most fierce enemies of the Muslims” and an “ever corruptive element” in the world**.

Husseini soon became an honored guest of the Nazi leadership and met on several occasions with Hitler. He personally lobbied the Führer against the plan to let Jews leave Hungary, fearing they would immigrate to Palestine.

He also strongly intervened when Adolf Eichman tried to cut a deal with the British government to exchange German POWs for 5000 Jewish children who also could have fled to Palestine.

The Mufti’s protests with the SS were successful, as the children were sent to death camps in Poland instead. **One German officer noted in his journals that the Mufti would liked to have seen the Jews “preferably all killed.” **

On a visit to Auschwitz, he reportedly admonished the guards running the gas chambers to work more diligently. Throughout the war, he appeared regularly on German radio broadcasts to the Middle East, preaching his pro-Nazi, anti-Semitic message to the Arab masses back home.

Ah yes, I can feel the love and peace between this mufti and the Jews…

During the Second World War in Yugoslavia, many Muslim clerics in Bosnia and Kosovo were willing accomplices in the genocide of the nation’s Serbian, Jewish and Roma population.

From 1941 until 1945, the Nazi-installed regime of Ante Pavelic in Croatia carried out some of the most horrific crimes of the Holocaust, killing over 800,000 Yugoslav citizens - 750,000 Serbs, 60,000 Jews and 26,000 Roma.

In these crimes, they were helped by Muslim fundamentalists in Bosnia and Kosovo who were openly supported by the Palestinian Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin al-Husseini. Husseini openly encouraged Muslims to join Nazi units that would be later implicated in genocide and crimes against humanity - the infamous Hanjar (or Handschar) 13th Waffen SS division.

Picture encluded in link below with a small description of what they “muslim brigade” did for hitlers army.

srpska-mreza.com/library/facts/himmler.html

srpska-mreza.com/library/facts/mufti.html

Encyclopedia of the Holocaust, Edition 1990, Volume 2, Pages 706 and 707, **entry Husseini, Hajj Amin Al **; The main Hitler’s supporter among Palestinian Arabs…

It so happened that Husseini made his contribution to the Axis war effort in his capacity as a Muslim, rather than as an Arab leader, by recruiting and organizing in RECORD TIME, during the spring of 1943, BOSNIAN MUSLIM BATTALIONS in Croatia comprising some TWENTY THOUSAND MEN.

These MUSLIM VOLUNTEER units, called Hanjar (Sword), were put in WAFFEN-SS fought Yugoslav partisans in Bosnia, and carried out police and security duties in Hungary.

THEY PARTICIPATED IN THE MASSACRE OF CIVILIANS IN BOSNIA and VOLUNTEERED TO JOIN IN THE HUNT FOR JEWS IN CROATIA…

The Germans made a point of publicizing the fact that Husseini had flown from Berlin to Sarajevo for the sole purpose of giving his blessing to the Muslim army and inspecting its arms and training exercises.

So you see my dear Meedo, it wasn’t just hatred for the Jews living in their land, it was the Jews overall in Europe, and not only did the Jews suffer, but many others did as well.

Feel free to research the:

Bosnian Muslim 13-th Waffen SS Division

 

[sedonaman]

Hitler admired a lot of things. He loved elephants. Does that make elephants evil?

Of course not. But Pachydermism is what Hitler admired about elephants. There is nothing morally wrong with Pachydermism. What Hitler admired above all is aggressive militarism, which Islam is.

 

[sedonaman]

It is their land. They lived on it and had a common identity.
where did muslims expel Christians from their land ?

I’m so glad you asked. Here is only a partial history of Muslim warfare against lands not theirs:

632 AD – Mohammed dies
633 – Mesopotamia falls to Muslim invasion, followed by the entire Persian Empire
635 – Damascus falls
638 – Jerusalem capitulates
643 – Alexandria falls, ending 1,000 years of Hellenic civilization
648-49 – Cyprus falls
653 – Rhodes falls
673 – Constantinople attacked
698 – All of North Africa lost
711 – Spain invaded
717 – Muslims attack Constantinople again; repelled by Emperor Leo the Isaurian
721 – Saragossa falls, Muslims sights on southern France
720 – Narbonne falls.
732 – Bordeaux was stormed and its churches burnt down
732 – Charles Martel and his Frankish army defeat Muslims in October, turning back the Muslim tide
732 – Attacks on France continued
734 – Avignon captured by an Muslim force
743 – Lyons sacked
759 – Arabs driven out of Narbonne.
838 – Marseilles plundered
800 – Muslims incursions into Italy begin, Islands of Ponza and Ischia plundered
813 – Civitavecchia, the port of Rome sacked
826 – Crete falls to Muslim forces
827 – Muslim forces begin to attack Sicily.
837 – Naples repels a Muslim attack
838 – Marseilles taken
840 – Bari falls
842 – Messina captured and Strait of Messina controlled
846 – Muslims squadrons arrived at Ostia, at the Tiber’s mouth, sack Rome and St. Peter’s Basilica
846 – Taranto in Apulia conquered by Muslim forces
849 – Papal forces repel Muslim fleet at the mouth of the Tiber
853-71 – Italian coast from Bari down to Reggio Calabria controlled, Muslims terrorize Southern Italy.
859 – Muslims take control of all Messina
870 – Malta captured by the Muslims.
870 – Bari recaptured from the Muslims by Emperor Louis II
872 – Emperor Louis II defeats a Saracen fleet off Capua
872 – Muslim forces devastate Calabria
878 – Syracuse falls after a nine-month siege
879 – Pope John VIII forced to pay tribute of 25,000 mancuses (AUD$625,000) annually to the Muslims
880 – Byzantine Commanders gain victory over Saracen forces at Naples
881 – Muslims capture fortress near Anzio, plunder surrounding countryside with impunity for forty [40] years.
887 – Muslim armies take Hysela and Amasia, in Asia Minor.
889 – Toulon captured
921 – English pilgrims to Rome crushed to death under rocks rolled down on them by Saracens in the passes of the Alps
902 – Muslim fleets sacked and destroyed Demetrias in Thessaly, Central Greece,
904 – Thessalonica falls to Muslim forces
915 – After three months of blockade, Christian forces victorious against Saracens holed-up in their fortresses north of Naples
934 – Genoa attacked by Muslim forces
935 – Genoa taken
972 – Saracens finally driven from Faxineto
976 – Caliphs of Egypt send fresh Muslim expeditions into southern Italy. Initially the German Emperor Otho II , who had set up his headquarters in Rome, successfully defeated these Saracen forces
977 – Sergius, Archbishop of Damascus, expelled from his See by Muslims
982 – Emperor Otho’s forces ambushed and his army defeated
1003 – Muslims from Spain sack Antibes
1003-09 – Marauding bands of Saracens plunder Italian coast from Pisa to Rome from bases on Sardinia
1005 – Muslims from Spain sack Pisa
1009 – Caliph of Egypt orders destruction of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem, the Tomb of Jesus
1010 – Saracens seize Cosenza in southern Italy.
1015 – All Sardinia falls
1016 – Muslims from Spain again sack Pisa
1017 – Fleets of Pisa and Genoa sail for Sardinia, find Saracens crucifying Christians, drive Saracen leader out. Saracens try to re-take Sardinia until 1050
1020 – Muslims from Spain sack Narbonne
1095 – The First Crusade.

This is what Muslim conquerors did. They had no right to invade lands that had been Christian for a thousand years. Take Spain and France for example. Christians “lived on it and had a common identity.” So what makes Muslims right and Christians wrong? Christians had the land before the Muslims invaded. If we apply your test, Islam can claim no land outside Medina because it is the only place Mohammad was accepted without force.

And I am so glad you brought up the Crusades. The 463 years that elapsed between Muhammad’s death and the calling of a Crusade to free the Holy Places was not, as Islam apologists would have us believe, a time of “peaceful co-existence” between Muslims and European or Byzantine Christians. Nor was it, for Christians living in Muslim-occupied territories. They enjoyed “peace” only by keeping the lowest possible profile, paying the jizya, and accepting non-person status in lands that had been Christian before the Muslim invaders arrived. Conquered peoples converted, lived as dhimmis, or were slain. If the Christian [or Jew] under Islamic rule could no longer pay the jizya, Muslims could resume jihad against him.

These events show that Islam did not spread by Muslim missionaries knocking on doors or preaching from street corners. It spread by conquest. Yet, Muslims continue to deny these events even occurred.
Ref: answering-islam.org.uk/Green/crusades-stenhouse.htm

 

[meedo]

Muslims did indeed hated the Jews.

Why do you always hear muslims make the same statement over and over.

Haven’t you read about Jerusalems Mufti Haj Amin el-Husseini who hated the Jews so bad he teamed up with hitler.

Ah yes, I can feel the love and peace between this mufti and the Jews…

Picture encluded in link below with a small description of what they “muslim brigade” did for hitlers army.

srpska-mreza.com/library/facts/himmler.html

srpska-mreza.com/library/facts/mufti.html

So you see my dear Meedo, it wasn’t just hatred for the Jews living in their land, it was the Jews overall in Europe, and not only did the Jews suffer, but many others did as well.

Feel free to research the:

Bosnian Muslim 13-th Waffen SS Division

urr … excuse me … all what you wrote above i already answered. Amin Al Husseini hated zionists and zionists came primarily from Europe. which really makes you prove nothing.

 

[Jacques_DeMolay]

Nazi Germany was not Islamic nor was it really Christian. It was based on the occult and the Nazi symbol, a swastika, was once used widely to represent other purposes, to Nazi Germany it was more esoteric.

 

[ralphinal]

Nazi Germany was not Islamic nor was it really Christian. It was based on the occult and the Nazi symbol, a swastika, was once used widely to represent other purposes, to Nazi Germany it was more esoteric.

I was about to point that out.

I have no doubts that Hitler admired Islam. The Prevelant mentality in these lands is very much like his own. He did not admire it so much as to push Germany into it. Nor did it make him think that the Muslims or Arab people were any more equal to his super-race than anyone else. Sooner or later, he would have tried to kill them, too

 

[meedo]

Of course not. But Pachydermism is what Hitler admired about elephants. There is nothing morally wrong with Pachydermism. What Hitler admired above all is aggressive militarism, which Islam is.

Hitler can admire what he wants to admire. Islam was not spreading in order to have space like Hitler wanted , it was spready as a duty to deliver the message of islam to the world . At these old ages thsi was almost impossible as long as their is another governments that will persecute this message . Islam military expansion was to make sure this message had a fair chance .

 

[meedo]

I was about to point that out.

I have no doubts that Hitler admired Islam. The Prevelant mentality in these lands is very much like his own. He did not admire it so much as to push Germany into it. Nor did it make him think that the Muslims or Arab people were any more equal to his super-race than anyone else. Sooner or later, he would have tried to kill them, too

The prevailant mentality in these lands were never like his own . The prevailent metality was in catholic spain yes when no Muslims or jews left unless erw converted by force! or died.

 

[sedonaman]

Why do you always hear muslims make the same statement over and over.?]

Because they’ve been taught to memorize the answers to only certain questions. Since Islam discourages thinking and asking questions islam-watch.org/SujitDas/Holy-Islam-Illiteracy-Poverty-Backwardness.htm, Muslims have “cook-book” answers that address questions that are only one deep. This is how they can reconcile two mutually exclusive claims Islam makes.

Our method is based on the Socratic Method of one question leading to another which leads to another, etc., ultimately leading to answers that cover a multitude of questions. We also see that if two statements conflict with each other, at least one has to be wrong. That method appears to be completely foreign to Muslims.

I am convinced that Islam could never survive a critical analysis similar to that which Catholicism invites. That’s why most of the people in Hell are there for the political crime of disagreeing with Mohammed.

 

[ralphinal]

The prevailant mentality in these lands were never like his own . The prevailent metality was in catholic spain yes when no Muslims or jews left unless erw converted by force! or died.

Really? So there are no peoples in Muslim lands who believe that Muslim culture is superior to non-Muslim culture? Or that Muslim laws are superior or non-Muslim laws? Or that non-Muslims are meant to serve their superior Muslim masters? Or that God has given Muslims primary place of importance in the world? Or that Islam does not teach a strict retribution in kind to any injustice?

I was not saying that they held that others should be killed. I was not even talking about the Jewish thing. I am saying that the Nazi mentality that they are inherently better than others IS reflected among many of the Muslim nations.

 

[meedo]

I’m so glad you asked. Here is only a partial history of Muslim warfare against lands not theirs:

632 AD – Mohammed dies
633 – Mesopotamia falls to Muslim invasion, followed by the entire Persian Empire
635 – Damascus falls
638 – Jerusalem capitulates
643 – Alexandria falls, ending 1,000 years of Hellenic civilization
648-49 – Cyprus falls
653 – Rhodes falls
673 – Constantinople attacked
698 – All of North Africa lost
711 – Spain invaded
717 – Muslims attack Constantinople again; repelled by Emperor Leo the Isaurian
721 – Saragossa falls, Muslims sights on southern France
720 – Narbonne falls.
732 – Bordeaux was stormed and its churches burnt down
732 – Charles Martel and his Frankish army defeat Muslims in October, turning back the Muslim tide
732 – Attacks on France continued
734 – Avignon captured by an Muslim force
743 – Lyons sacked
759 – Arabs driven out of Narbonne.
838 – Marseilles plundered
800 – Muslims incursions into Italy begin, Islands of Ponza and Ischia plundered
813 – Civitavecchia, the port of Rome sacked
826 – Crete falls to Muslim forces
827 – Muslim forces begin to attack Sicily.
837 – Naples repels a Muslim attack
838 – Marseilles taken
840 – Bari falls
842 – Messina captured and Strait of Messina controlled
846 – Muslims squadrons arrived at Ostia, at the Tiber’s mouth, sack Rome and St. Peter’s Basilica
846 – Taranto in Apulia conquered by Muslim forces
849 – Papal forces repel Muslim fleet at the mouth of the Tiber
853-71 – Italian coast from Bari down to Reggio Calabria controlled, Muslims terrorize Southern Italy.
859 – Muslims take control of all Messina
870 – Malta captured by the Muslims.
870 – Bari recaptured from the Muslims by Emperor Louis II
872 – Emperor Louis II defeats a Saracen fleet off Capua
872 – Muslim forces devastate Calabria
878 – Syracuse falls after a nine-month siege
879 – Pope John VIII forced to pay tribute of 25,000 mancuses (AUD$625,000) annually to the Muslims
880 – Byzantine Commanders gain victory over Saracen forces at Naples
881 – Muslims capture fortress near Anzio, plunder surrounding countryside with impunity for forty [40] years.
887 – Muslim armies take Hysela and Amasia, in Asia Minor.
889 – Toulon captured
921 – English pilgrims to Rome crushed to death under rocks rolled down on them by Saracens in the passes of the Alps
902 – Muslim fleets sacked and destroyed Demetrias in Thessaly, Central Greece,
904 – Thessalonica falls to Muslim forces
915 – After three months of blockade, Christian forces victorious against Saracens holed-up in their fortresses north of Naples
934 – Genoa attacked by Muslim forces
935 – Genoa taken
972 – Saracens finally driven from Faxineto
976 – Caliphs of Egypt send fresh Muslim expeditions into southern Italy. Initially the German Emperor Otho II , who had set up his headquarters in Rome, successfully defeated these Saracen forces
977 – Sergius, Archbishop of Damascus, expelled from his See by Muslims
982 – Emperor Otho’s forces ambushed and his army defeated
1003 – Muslims from Spain sack Antibes
1003-09 – Marauding bands of Saracens plunder Italian coast from Pisa to Rome from bases on Sardinia
1005 – Muslims from Spain sack Pisa
1009 – Caliph of Egypt orders destruction of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem, the Tomb of Jesus
1010 – Saracens seize Cosenza in southern Italy.
1015 – All Sardinia falls
1016 – Muslims from Spain again sack Pisa
1017 – Fleets of Pisa and Genoa sail for Sardinia, find Saracens crucifying Christians, drive Saracen leader out. Saracens try to re-take Sardinia until 1050
1020 – Muslims from Spain sack Narbonne
1095 – The First Crusade.

This is what Muslim conquerors did. They had no right to invade lands that had been Christian for a thousand years. Take Spain and France for example. Christians “lived on it and had a common identity.” So what makes Muslims right and Christians wrong? Christians had the land before the Muslims invaded. If we apply your test, Islam can claim no land outside Medina because it is the only place Mohammad was accepted without force.

These events show that Islam did not spread by Muslim missionaries knocking on doors or preaching from street corners. It spread by conquest. Yet, Muslims continue to deny these events even occurred.
Ref: answering-islam.org.uk/Green/crusades-stenhouse.htm

Islam never spread by the point of sword. Yes the islamic Military empire was big , but it didnt force any body to convert.

In fact it is because of that today that we have Christians in the middle east with big communities going 30 Million Christians.

just look at what Muslim demanded …

Under Islamic law, jizya or jizyah (Arabic: جزْية‎; IPA: ʤɪzjæh] Ottoman Turkish: cizye; both derived from Pahlavi and ultimately from Aramaic gaziyat [1]) is a per capita tax levied on a section of an Islamic state’s non-Muslim citizens, who meet certain criteria. The tax is/was to be levied on able bodied adult males of military age and affording power,

he Orthodox were persecuted under catholics and ran ino the desert of Egypt . never they surrendered to the catholics! They had to pay Jizya to catholics much more than they did to Muslims.!!

The early christians were thrown to the lions never surrendered to the romans

And when there is no throwing to the lions or persecution by muslims, the way to claim the spread of islam is to throw it on wanting to avoid the jizya!

and the list that you Quoted above was thousand year Old . During the ages of empires. palestine was taken AFTER WW2 in a world that was letting go of colonialism of all sorts!

Besides, whioch country did the muslim displace their population?!

 

[jakasaki]

urr … excuse me … all what you wrote above i already answered. Amin Al Husseini hated zionists and zionists came primarily from Europe. which really makes you prove nothing.

So what you are saying that every Jew killed in Europe by this islamic muslim brigade was a Zionist.

Perhaps you didn’t read the whole post… I will re-post an interesting point… See BOLD items below… and notice I did not BOLD the Jew’s.

During the Second World War in Yugoslavia, many Muslim clerics in Bosnia and Kosovo were willing accomplices in the genocide of the nation’s Serbian, Jewish and Roma population.

From 1941 until 1945, the Nazi-installed regime of Ante Pavelic in Croatia carried out some of the most horrific crimes of the Holocaust, killing over 800,000 Yugoslav citizens - 750,000 Serbs, 60,000 Jews and 26,000 Roma.

In these crimes, they were helped by Muslim fundamentalists in Bosnia and Kosovo who were openly supported by the Palestinian Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin al-Husseini. Husseini openly encouraged Muslims to join Nazi units that would be later implicated in genocide and crimes against humanity - the infamous Hanjar (or Handschar) 13th Waffen SS division.

So, when I stated that it wasn’t only Jew extermination, it was others as well.

 

[sedonaman]

Islam was not spreading in order to have space like Hitler wanted

Islam converts productive societies into non-productive ones through the imposition of the crushing jizya which is levied only on non-muslims. Muslims didn’t pay the tax. Dhimmis found it difficult to survive such a tax, and many converted to avoid it. Others left the Muslim ruled lands. This required Muslims to conquer more to get more booty from other productive societies.

…it [Islam] was spread as a duty to deliver the message of Islam to the world. At these old ages this was almost impossible as long as their is another governments that will persecute this message.

Then how do you explain how Christianity overcame the Roman persecution of Christians and delivered its message … without military force?

Islam military expansion was to make sure this message had a fair chance.

A more self-righteous statement would be difficult to find. Your honesty is refreshing.

What is your definition of “fair”? Why not preach your message and let people decide for themselves, like Christians did in its early days?

 

[Jacques_DeMolay]

Islam never spread by the point of sword. Yes the islamic Military empire was big , but it didnt force any body to convert.

In fact it is because of that today that we have Christians in the middle east with big communities going 30 Million Christians.

just look at what Muslim demanded …

Under Islamic law, jizya or jizyah (Arabic: جزْية‎; IPA: ʤɪzjæh] Ottoman Turkish: cizye; both derived from Pahlavi and ultimately from Aramaic gaziyat [1]) is a per capita tax levied on a section of an Islamic state’s non-Muslim citizens, who meet certain criteria. The tax is/was to be levied on able bodied adult males of military age and affording power,

he Orthodox were persecuted under catholics and ran ino the desert of Egypt . never they surrendered to the catholics! They had to pay Jizya to catholics much more than they did to Muslims.!!

The early christians were thrown to the lions never surrendered to the romans

And when there is no throwing to the lions or persecution by muslims, the way to claim the spread of islam is to throw it on wanting to avoid the jizya!

and the list that you Quoted above was thousand year Old . During the ages of empires. palestine was taken AFTER WW2 in a world that was letting go of colonialism of all sorts!

Besides, whioch country did the muslim displace their population?!

I hope you are joking. Yeah you are not forced to convert in an Islamic country instead you are forced to pay a tax and you are treated like a second class citizen.

Armaanians, Georgians, and Kurds were all displaced by Turkey and that is from a more moderate Islamic country.

 

[sedonaman]

Islam never spread by the point of sword.

In post # 30 you said, “Islam military expansion was to make sure this message had a fair chance.” Now you are saying it was never spread by the sword. So which is it? You have to get your story straight because it’s not making any sense at all.

 

[sedonaman]

Yeah you are not forced to convert in an Islamic country instead you are forced to pay a tax and you are treated like a second class citizen.

The treatment doesn’t even come close to that of “a second-class citizen.” In fact, treatment of blacks under Jim Crow was much better than that accorded dhimmis under Islam.

 

[Jacques_DeMolay]

The treatment doesn’t even come close to that of “a second-class citizen.” In fact, treatment of blacks under Jim Crow was much better than that accorded dhimmis under Islam.

You are right. I can’t take a Bible or rosary into Saudi Arabia because Sharia police will confiscate them and beat me. I can’t pray a rosary in Mecca. (I can’t even get into Mecca unless I am muslim) If I did even try I would probably be killed.

I can’t see the Kabbah for myself but a Muslim can go into St. Petersburg square in the Vatican.