Adopting Jewish practices

[Rick09]

The 1911 Catholic Encyclopedia stated that the future Antichrist would be “of Jewish extraction, from the tribe of Dan,” and the 1936 edition stated that he would “rebuild Jerusalem and the Jewish Temple, in which he will set himself up as God.” Paul warned us of this very event when he said “the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God” 2 Thess. 2:3-4.

What exactly does this have to do with whether it’s okay or not to observe some Jewish practices? And the 1911 CE says that the antichrist will “perhaps” be Jewish:

The individual person of Antichrist will not be a demon, as some of the ancient writers believed, nor will he be the person of the devil incarnated in the human nature of Antichrist. He will be a human person, perhaps of Jewish extraction, if the explanation of Gen 49:17, together with that of Dan’s omission in the catalogue of the tribes, as found in the Apocalypse, be correct [Ap 7:4-8].

Then bpbasilphx said,

Why would you want to Judaize?

Just observing some Jewish customs or practices is not Judaizing. The 1913 CE defines Judaizers:

“A party of Jewish Christians in the Early Church, who either held that circumcision and the observance of the Mosaic Law were necessary for salvation and in consequence wished to impose them on the Gentile converts, or who at least considered them as still obligatory on the Jewish Christians.” (Volume VIII, page 537)

If a person isn’t doing it because they think they need to to be saved, it isn’t Judaizing. There might be other reasons why some things could be unwise or whatever, but its not Judaizing in the historical, biblical sense.

 

[PastGrandKnight]

There is a New Covenant in Jesus who is God that fulfills the Old Coventant in Moses.

Those laws no longer apply to those reborn in Christ.

I would say that yes it is prohibited to take up Jewish practices if your intent is to accept them as the norm for your faith. If their appeal is for their scirptural basis with the 600+ Mitzvoth such as for health reasons then that may be acceptable if it doesn’t cause you to doubt your church.

It would be anti-catholic and no different if you were to leave the church for some other false belief system such as buddism, hinduism, or the heresies of protestantism or schisms of the Greek Orthodox and the SSPX.

The 1911 Catholic Encyclopedia stated that the future Antichrist would be “of Jewish extraction, from the tribe of Dan,” and the 1936 edition stated that he would “rebuild Jerusalem and the Jewish Temple, in which he will set himself up as God.” Paul warned us of this very event when he said “the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God” 2 Thess. 2:3-4.

<<<<<…with the 600+ Mitzvoth…>>>>>

Actually, there are 603. Added in with The Ten, there are really 613 Commandments under the laws of Judaism.

<<<<<…some other false belief system…>>>>>

I HOPE you are not thinking of Judaism as a “false belief system”. Without Judaism, there is no Christianity, since all of the Messianic prophecies come from Judaism.

One other point: According to Messianic prophecies, the Messiah is supposed to restore the Temple. So far, that has not been done, so perhaps it will be done at the Second Coming.

 

[Rick09]

<<<<<…One other point: According to Messianic prophecies, the Messiah is supposed to restore the Temple. So far, that has not been done, so perhaps it will be done at the Second Coming.

I follow you on the first points, but I think you’re off on this with PGK. The true temple is now the altar of the Catholic Church. There is no other sacrifice God would accept now. So why would the Messiah restore a temple that can’t offer the one acceptable sacrifice?

The only thing I’ve read about anyone bringing back the temple was the antichrist doing it and setting himself up.

And there are things about Judaism now that are not what they were back in Jesus day, too. But there are many important things in common still.

 

[Joab_Anias]

I HOPE you are not thinking of Judaism as a “false belief system”. Without Judaism, there is no Christianity, since all of the Messianic prophecies come from Judaism.

Because the prophecies come from the Old Covenant in no way make it any longer binding. The belief that it does and salvation comes through keeping laws is what I refer to as false.

One other point: According to Messianic prophecies, the Messiah is supposed to restore the Temple. So far, that has not been done, so perhaps it will be done at the Second Coming.

Yet Judaism as it is today does not accept the first coming and as such that belief is also false. Jesus did restore the temple. Its His body. He did it in three days.

Peace and God bless.

 

[PastGrandKnight]

Because the prophecies come from the Old Covenant in no way make it any longer binding. The belief that it does and salvation comes through keeping laws is what I refer to as false.

Yet Judaism as it is today does not accept the first coming and as such that belief is also false. Jesus did restore the temple. Its His body. He did it in three days.

Peace and God bless.

<<<<>>>>

Sorry to say this, but that’s an insult to every Jew on the face of the Earth. Restoration of the Temple means that the Temple that was physically destroyed (And this does not refer to the Christ) would be physically rebuilt.

Further, to say that the beliefs of Judaism are false is also an insult. Judaism was on the face of the earth for over 3000 years before Jesus was born. If Judaism is “false”, then (and I don’t believe this for one moment!) so is every Christian denomination! You cannot have Christianity unless you also have Judaism first! After all, were the Ten Commandments given to us through St. Paul? Of course not! They were handed down through Moses. They are as valid today as they were back then.

So, let’s see how sharp you are with this question: Is there a Commandment that says “Thou shalt not kill”?

Your reply to that will tell me a lot!

Have a nice evening.

 

[Joab_Anias]

<<<<>>>>

Sorry to say this, but that’s an insult to every Jew on the face of the Earth. Restoration of the Temple means that the Temple that was physically destroyed (And this does not refer to the Christ) would be physically rebuilt.

Dear Sir Knight,

Why should it be an insult to acknowledge and state the simple fact that orthodox Jews do not accept Jesus as the Messiah? Would not a Jew tell you this if asked? Should I then be insulted because they do not hold to our Davidic King and His New Covenant? I am not an anit-semite sir. Nor am I a Jew, my Faith in God is fulfilled through the New Covenant in Jesus who makes all things new. I feel I have been missunderstood.

Further, to say that the beliefs of Judaism are false is also an insult. Judaism was on the face of the earth for over 3000 years before Jesus was born. If Judaism is “false”, then (and I don’t believe this for one moment!) so is every Christian denomination!

I did not say or intend to say that at all, to say so would be bigoted. If my comment came across as such I apologize.

I will give you the same answer as in post #24 and highlight this time:

Because the messianic prophecies come from the Old Covenant Scriptures in no way make it continually binding. The belief that it is binding and that salvation comes through keeping laws is what I refer to as false within Judaism and so did Jesus. (I’ll add; study how Jesus admonished the Jews and changed the Old Covenant).

You cannot have Christianity unless you also have Judaism first! After all, were the Ten Commandments given to us through St. Paul? Of course not! They were handed down through Moses. They are as valid today as they were back then.

Do you think God needed the Jews? He chose them for His purposes. Christ could have been born of any race He chose. Because the Jews were Gods chosen people does not make their denial of Jesus correct or make Christ’s New Covenant any less valid. All that is true in Judaism is encompassed in Christ and His New Covenant. What is lacking in Judaism is Jesus and His New Covenant.

So, let’s see how sharp you are with this question: Is there a Commandment that says “Thou shalt not kill”?

You mean the one God told Abraham to violate by sacrificing his own son? Do you worship God in the Eucharist and keep the New Covenant day of the Lord on Sunday or do you hold to the Old Covenant “Sabbath”?

Let me now ask you another question. If you proclaim Jesus as Lord of all -not- Saint Moses, and I will confidently assume that your answer would be Jesus because your Catholic; and then under that assumption, ask; can you tell me how Jesus said to keep all the commandments?

Another question would be, what do Jews require for salvation, and what does Jesus?

The are very different things and only what Jesus says is required is true. The other is false, NOT because it was never true but because it has been fulfilled in the New Covenant of the Lord Jesus Christ.

I understand this may be hard to hear given your roots and I appologize in advance for any crisis of faith that statement may cause for you. I pray it does not but instead only strengthens us in Christ.

It’s not my intention to create conflict or express any disdain for anyone because I have none but only to try my best to express my Faith in Jesus and make myself understood as gently as possible as I embrace that gift of Faith for Gods Glory alone, not my own.

Peace and Love in Christ to you and yours my brother Knight,

(Past Recorder - 4th degree, here myself).

My prayers and hope are with you.

 

[PastGrandKnight]

Dear Sir Knight,

Why should it be an insult to acknowledge and state the simple fact that orthodox Jews do not accept Jesus as the Messiah? Would not a Jew tell you this if asked? Should I then be insulted because they do not hold to our Davidic King and His New Covenant? I am not an anit-semite sir. Nor am I a Jew, my Faith in God is fulfilled through the New Covenant in Jesus who makes all things new. I feel I have been missunderstood.

I did not say or intend to say that at all, to say so would be bigoted. If my comment came across as such I apologize.

I will give you the same answer as in post #24 and highlight this time:

Because the messianic prophecies come from the Old Covenant Scriptures in no way make it continually binding. The belief that it is binding and that salvation comes through keeping laws is what I refer to as false within Judaism and so did Jesus. (I’ll add; study how Jesus admonished the Jews and changed the Old Covenant).

Do you think God needed the Jews? He chose them for His purposes. Christ could have been born of any race He chose. Because the Jews were Gods chosen people does not make their denial of Jesus correct or make Christ’s New Covenant any less valid. All that is true in Judaism is encompassed in Christ and His New Covenant. What is lacking in Judaism is Jesus and His New Covenant.

You mean the one God told Abraham to violate by sacrificing his own son? Do you worship God in the Eucharist and keep the New Covenant day of the Lord on Sunday or do you hold to the Old Covenant “Sabbath”?

Let me now ask you another question. If you proclaim Jesus as Lord of all -not- Saint Moses, and I will confidently assume that your answer would be Jesus because your Catholic; and then under that assumption, ask; can you tell me how Jesus said to keep all the commandments?

Another question would be, what do Jews require for salvation, and what does Jesus?

The are very different things and only what Jesus says is required is true. The other is false, NOT because it was never true but because it has been fulfilled in the New Covenant of the Lord Jesus Christ.

I understand this may be hard to hear given your roots and I appologize in advance for any crisis of faith that statement may cause for you. I pray it does not but instead only strengthens us in Christ.

It’s not my intention to create conflict or express any disdain for anyone because I have none but only to try my best to express my Faith in Jesus and make myself understood as gently as possible as I embrace that gift of Faith for Gods Glory alone, not my own.

Peace and Love in Christ to you and yours my brother Knight,

(Past Recorder - 4th degree, here myself).

My prayers and hope are with you.

First: My question was only inregards to the Ten Commandments. Many people seem to think that one of them says “Thou Shalt Not Kill.” In point of fact, that is incorrect. When correctly translated from the original Hebrew into English, it comes as “Thou Shalt Not Murder”.
What’s the difference? One is with malice aforethought, such as the guy who says “I’m going to kill so-and-so this morning”, and then goes out and does just that. That’s Murder. However, a person who loses control over his or her car, and hits a pedestrian who dies immediately… is not in the same situation. Likewise, the person who kills in Self-Defense.

So why do we hear people citing the Commandment as “Thou shalt not kill” when in fact that’s an incorrect translation? Habit? Regardless, though, the translation must come from the Hebrew directly to English.

Here’s another one for you: Is there a prophecy that says “The Virgin Shall Be With Child”?

Oh, as for Abraham: God was merely putting Abraham to the test, to see if he would give his own son as a sacrifice to God. God wanted to know if Abraham truly loved Him so much that he’d kill his own boy.

Now, as for Jesus saying to obey all the Commandments: Jesus said that He did not come to abolish the law (but to fulfill it!). I seem to recall the translation saying "not one jot…(or one iota…whichever)…of the law will pass away. Jesus would have obeyed all of the Laws of Judaism. After all, to do less would make it impossible for Him to be theMessiah. How can someone be the Messiah and also disobey God at the same time? Se He would have observed all 613.

 

[PastGrandKnight]

Dear Sir Knight,

Why should it be an insult to acknowledge and state the simple fact that orthodox Jews do not accept Jesus as the Messiah? Would not a Jew tell you this if asked? Should I then be insulted because they do not hold to our Davidic King and His New Covenant? I am not an anit-semite sir. Nor am I a Jew, my Faith in God is fulfilled through the New Covenant in Jesus who makes all things new. I feel I have been missunderstood.

I did not say or intend to say that at all, to say so would be bigoted. If my comment came across as such I apologize.

I will give you the same answer as in post #24 and highlight this time:

Because the messianic prophecies come from the Old Covenant Scriptures in no way make it continually binding. The belief that it is binding and that salvation comes through keeping laws is what I refer to as false within Judaism and so did Jesus. (I’ll add; study how Jesus admonished the Jews and changed the Old Covenant).

Do you think God needed the Jews? He chose them for His purposes. Christ could have been born of any race He chose. Because the Jews were Gods chosen people does not make their denial of Jesus correct or make Christ’s New Covenant any less valid. All that is true in Judaism is encompassed in Christ and His New Covenant. What is lacking in Judaism is Jesus and His New Covenant.

You mean the one God told Abraham to violate by sacrificing his own son? Do you worship God in the Eucharist and keep the New Covenant day of the Lord on Sunday or do you hold to the Old Covenant “Sabbath”?

Let me now ask you another question. If you proclaim Jesus as Lord of all -not- Saint Moses, and I will confidently assume that your answer would be Jesus because your Catholic; and then under that assumption, ask; can you tell me how Jesus said to keep all the commandments?

Another question would be, what do Jews require for salvation, and what does Jesus?

The are very different things and only what Jesus says is required is true. The other is false, NOT because it was never true but because it has been fulfilled in the New Covenant of the Lord Jesus Christ.

I understand this may be hard to hear given your roots and I appologize in advance for any crisis of faith that statement may cause for you. I pray it does not but instead only strengthens us in Christ.

It’s not my intention to create conflict or express any disdain for anyone because I have none but only to try my best to express my Faith in Jesus and make myself understood as gently as possible as I embrace that gift of Faith for Gods Glory alone, not my own.

Peace and Love in Christ to you and yours my brother Knight,

(Past Recorder - 4th degree, here myself).

My prayers and hope are with you.

As for that last part: May I presume that you still wear the red cape? I sincerely hope you will join us in the what is kiddingly called “The White Cape Society”.

By the way, do you do any Degree work?

VJ!!!

 

[bpbasilphx]

<<So why would the Messiah restore a temple that can’t offer the one acceptable sacrifice?>>

Good point.

Of course, something that is frequently forgotten, especially by pop-evangelicals, is that the Temple was basically a glorified slaughterhouse.