Adoption by Homosexual Couple

[thistle]

To answer your question - Gay people can be good parents.

NO. They will bring up the child teaching that homosexuality is moral and acceptable and that the Catholic Church is wrong.
I repeat. The Church cannot err in matters of faith and morals. Anyone who rejects the Church teaching puts themselves in a state of mortal sin.

 

[essie7777]

uh do you have some links to back that up?

Sorry forgot to add link – i will put them up when i unpack my "proper computer they’re saved on my desktop and currently that is still boxed from moving!

It was not nice reading there are so many kids that need a “forever home”. Somewhere they can get stability and love.

If i remember correctly the average stay in foster homes was over 2 years. Which is pretty shocking.

Here is where I am getting my information: adoptioninstitute.org/FactOverview/foster.html

Thanks i’ll look at this.

I have a similar number in terms of how many children are in foster care, but I am finding orphanages are no longer apart of the system. There are some boarding schools supposedly, but the foster care system is the primary system. Please show where you are getting this 800,000 number.

I think the phrase it out of fashion but not the structure of them if that makes sense.

I’d also submit this: online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703510304574626080835477074.html?mod=googlenews_wsj#articleTabs_comments%3D%26articleTabs%3Darticle

Despite the really powerful article you put forward, where i live that may well not be the case as an average, the kids i have dealt with (i have been a Guardian Ad Litem for three years) have been to at least 5 foster homes/care homes and rarely have longevity or a sense of belonging.

There is just such a shortfall of foster parents, and a lot of parents who don’t act as if they want their children but also refuse to sign away parental rights hence they can not be adopted.

I can appreciate that there are rigors to becoming a foster parent; the process is long winded and rightly so, but this can be a little off putting for people.
There are some unchangeable rules that prevent certain people from becoming foster parents as well which can be frustrating. I can’t foster ( ) although i’d love to but as a foreigner its not allowed, though we can be Guardian Ad Litems.

With what i see in the courts i wish more people would just find the space for a child, and give them a full experience of a grounded, moral start to life.

The orphanages that are still out there are probably there because some prefer that to moving around a lot. Some prefer orphanages to foster care. I believe most children under 10-12 years of age though are kept in the foster care system. Personally I can understand why some kids might prefer orphanages to foster homes. A well run orphanage with good conditions would allow a sense of camaraderie for kids and a sense of stability they would not get jumping around from foster home to foster home.

I agree it can be a great environment, although some can be horrific. It’s bad to say but there’s a lot of money from the state for caring for vulnerable children and even privately run “homes” can take advantage, and children get lost in the crowd.

My understanding is that in some states you can replace a job by fostering … that to me is horrific. People should care for children out of desire and love not money.

 

[essie7777]

NO. They will bring up the child teaching that homosexuality is moral and acceptable and that the Catholic Church is wrong.
I repeat. The Church cannot err in matters of faith and morals. Anyone who rejects the Church teaching puts themselves in a state of mortal sin.

i agree whilst no one is suggesting that a single person attracted to the same sex can’t offer love and a physical home to a child.

The whole point of raising a child is their upbringing as a whole, a strong Christian (ideally Catholic ) morality is essential to this and homosexual couple, as in this example from the OP, are clearly practicing an immoral lifestyle. As uncomfortable to say as it may be in light of the plight of the child this is not a sound practice or right for the child.

 

[Nate13]

My understanding is that in some states you can replace a job by fostering … that to me is horrific. People should care for children out of desire and love not money.

My point was to show that at least for children in the United States, their situation is in no way “dire”. As for children who need homes outside of the U.S that may be a different story. The fact is though that the Catholic Church has in no way moved to completely shut off any attempt by homosexual couples to adopt. They believe that it is not in the best interest of kids to do so and will refer homosexual couples that come to them to other places from which they can adopt. A homosexual couple would not go to the Catholic Church to get married, and I don’t understand why they think they should be able to go to a Catholic adoption agency and adopt a child especially when said adoption agency is not receiving any funds from the State. All the agency needs from the State is a license.

 

[essie7777]

My point was to show that at least for children in the United States, their situation is in no way “dire”.

I’m not sure i would agree … the children who need homes temporary or permanent are huge, and the people looking to help tiny … the best place for children must be in loving caring families and this gap is dire.

The fact is though that the Catholic Church has in no way moved to completely shut off any attempt by homosexual couples to adopt. They believe that it is not in the best interest of kids to do so and will refer homosexual couples that come to them to other places from which they can adopt.

If pushed as happened in Illinois they stop accepting state money in order to not offer adoption to SS couples, there’s no option if it is in the state laws for the Church to say no especially when dealing with children under the protection of that state. If they are caught “referring” they will lose the state funding and it is a majority of most adoption agency revenue.

I’m not saying its right but that’s the situation.

A homosexual couple would not go to the Catholic Church to get married, and I don’t understand why they think they should be able to go to a Catholic adoption agency and adopt a child especially when said adoption agency is not receiving any funds from the State. All the agency needs from the State is a license.

I don’t disagree with your first comment here, however the license by the state is to care for/foster/adopt a child under the protection of the state and they are paid for this.

Unless the agency is facilitating a private adoption between people all Catholic adoption agencies take state money otherwise they would not be working with children under the care of the state. Hence the “stickiness” of the issue. Even in the cases brought in Illinois which has got a lot of press, the five agencies that were Catholic and being told to stop SS discrimination in adoption, submitted papers on the review demonstrating that between 60-92% of their revenue was from the state (varied depending on specific agency)

 

[Nate13]

Unless the agency is facilitating a private adoption between people all Catholic adoption agencies take state money otherwise they would not be working with children under the care of the state. Hence the “stickiness” of the issue. Even in the cases brought in Illinois which has got a lot of press, the five agencies that were Catholic and being told to stop SS discrimination in adoption, submitted papers on the review demonstrating that between 60-92% of their revenue was from the state (varied depending on specific agency)

Yeah that’s the problem. The strict people want to say no separation of Church and State applies outside of actual church. In other words they want no such thing as Catholic adoption agencies and Catholic hospitals and Catholic schools. All of these including churches take state funds for charities, because the State recognizes that they are good at it and it did respect faith and its place in society. Recently this is starting to change and it appears faith is not safe anywhere outside the church walls. This is a gross misunderstanding of religious freedom at best.

If I have to pay for contraception funding unjustly (objectively) they can allow Catholic adoption agencies to exist and receive contracts justly (objectively)

 

[essie7777]

If I have to pay for contraception funding unjustly (objectively) they can allow Catholic adoption agencies to exist and receive contracts justly (objectively)

It’s all so frustrating, the children should be the focus of any discussion-- surely there must be some solution that keeps kids going to the right place… a forever home!

 

[Nate13]

It’s all so frustrating, the children should be the focus of any discussion-- surely there must be some solution that keeps kids going to the right place… a forever home!

It’s a lack of virtue in society that is the core of almost every problem out there. It should not be surprising that we can’t find homes for 100,000 kids a year when we are killing off 1.37 million new lives officially per year and quite a few more via the morning after pill and such. You also have to wonder why more extended family members are not stepping up in some of these cases to adopt kids.

 

[essie7777]

It’s a lack of virtue in society that is the core of almost every problem out there. It should not be surprising that we can’t find homes for 100,000 kids a year when we are killing off 1.37 million new lives officially per year and quite a few more via the morning after pill and such. You also have to wonder why more extended family members are not stepping up in some of these cases to adopt kids.

I don’t disagree with your statement … but i will say this, 24% of the population are Catholic, 72% Christian, if even the smallest portion of those people stepped up this wouldn’t be a problem.

And these are people who believe in the Church Teachings of helping and supporting those in need.

I hate to say it, but actions speak louder than words and there’s enough Catholics out there that this should not be an issue, without even needing to consider the action (or inaction) of any other part of society.

 

[maximus]

I don’t disagree with your statement … but i will say this, 24% of the population are Catholic, 72% Christian, if even the smallest portion of those people stepped up this wouldn’t be a problem.

And these are people who believe in the Church Teachings of helping and supporting those in need.

I hate to say it, but actions speak louder than words and there’s enough Catholics out there that this should not be an issue, without even needing to consider the action (or inaction) of any other part of society.

Unfortunately, adopting through agencies foreign or domestic is extremely expensive and going through the state you have to navigate carefully through policies that can come into conflict with your faith.

On a side note there was a pair of men who were partners in a State adoption class we took, one was a Doctor and the other a lawyer who were promised by the state an infant; which is unheard so they got special treatment because of their high economic status.

God Bless

 

[InSearchofGrace]

Unfortunately, adopting through agencies foreign or domestic is extremely expensive and going through the state you have to navigate carefully through policies that can come into conflict with your faith.

On a side note there was a pair of men who were partners in a State adoption class we took, one was a Doctor and the other a lawyer who were promised by the state an infant; which is unheard so they got special treatment because of their high economic status.

God Bless

[Bolding mine]

The preferential treatment is a disgrace. More troublesome is how medicine and law, such noble professions, have become areas of practice where transgressions against natural law principles and collaboration with homosexualists have been committed.

Doctors and lawyers all to willing to be tools and facilitators of the unseemly: science and research that purportedly prove same sex behavior to be a normal variance of sexuality; legal decisions that favor same sex ‘marriage’ such as the ruling by homosexual judge Vaughn Walker on Prop 8. Now, ‘married’ homosexual pairs feel it’s their right to adopt kids, going against the time held teachings in scripture, tradition, reason and common sense.

As one good CAF member points out, secularists and relativists are removing one brick after another from the wall of marriage and family, meant to be the union of only a man and a woman through which children are produced and raised.

This kind of discussion invariably leads to somebody bringing up fornication by heterosexuals and no fault divorce. Yes, heterosexual sex before and outside marriage and divorce have done damage to marriage and family as well. This fact is not justification for a further and more radical twin social experiment of same sex ‘marriage’ and adoption of kids. The Catholic Church, notwithstanding Catholics who have embraced secularism and relativism, have never signed on to fornication and no-fault divorce.
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