Adoption by homosexual pairs of adults

[tmellin]

I seems highly likely to me that, were I not raised by a father and mother, I would not be married today with my own genetic children. For the common good as well as for the good of our children, I believe that every child’s normal sexual development and reproductive potential should be protected from the inherently non-reproductive homosexual adult relationship model.

It is understandable that homosexual adults, who do not aspire to reproduce and cannot model reproduction for their children, may not value or sense the “loss” of this or other aspects of heterosexuality which the child may fail to develop in their care.

Let’s not send the children of the world into environments that sacrifice the child’s normal development and potential in order to serve the desires of homosexual adults. ** Homosexual people must have the grace to recognize that homosexuality is inherently incompatible with parenthood and human reproduction.**

 

[Publisher]

I seems highly likely to me that, were I not raised by a father and mother, I would not be married today with my own genetic children. For the common good as well as for the good of our children, I believe that every child’s normal sexual development and reproductive potential should be protected from the inherently non-reproductive homosexual adult relationship model.

It is understandable that homosexual adults, who do not aspire to reproduce and cannot model reproduction for their children, may not value or sense the “loss” of this or other aspects of heterosexuality which the child may fail to develop in their care.

Let’s not send the children of the world into environments that sacrifice the child’s normal development and potential in order to serve the desires of homosexual adults. ** Homosexual people must have the grace to recognize that homosexuality is inherently incompatible with parenthood and human reproduction.**

And yet from what I have seen of the gay couples who adopt children…the opposite is true. They provide a stable, loving environment.

My sister attends an “affirming/welcoming Baptist congregation” I attended Christmas Eve service with her. There was an older gentleman, around 82, sitting in a “reserved” pew. People came up hugging him and talking quietly. A large family came in…two men with their wives and children to sit with him.

My sister leaned over and told me his story. He met his partner some 40 years ago…his partner had two young sons and was a widower. They raised the boys together…the boys called both of them “Dad”. His partner had died that year…these “boys”, men were his children by every indication except by blood. The mens wives and children were his family. They rallied around this grieving man who had helped raise and nurture them…they were family.

In the Meeting I attend every once in a while we have visitors…a gay couple who have adopted a daughter who has “special needs”, she is confined to a wheel chair…but she is loved with such a devotion from her two dads, it’s a joy to behold…she was a “cast aside” by her biological parents…“parenthood” and “human reproduction” are not the same thing…and at times are mutually exclusive.

 

[Dale_M]

For the common good as well as for the good of our children, I believe that every child’s normal sexual development and reproductive potential should be protected from the inherently non-reproductive homosexual adult relationship model.

I don’t think this is a good argument. Its not as if heterosexual adults demonstrate reproduction in front of their kids.

Non-reproductive (adoptive) heterosexual parents do just fine as role models. There is no reason to think that homosexual adoptive parents won’t do similar.

 

[Padilla7921]

Let’s not send the children of the world into environments that sacrifice the child’s normal development and potential in order to serve the desires of homosexual adults.

Are you really ignorant enough to think that homosexual couples would influence their adopted children so as to fit their own homosexual agenda? Remember, homosexuals aren’t all “selfish hedonists,” as some would have you believe.

 

[manualman]

I’m not sure the OP takes exactly the right tone either. But I am sure some of the responses are way off.

Sin isn’t an action on a list of “Thou shalt nots.” Sin is an action that by its very nature damages the soul of the sinner and reduces his capacity to give and receive love. We know conclusively from Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition that homosexual sex is inherently sinful, therefore we know it is inherently self destructive of those who participate in it.

What should we expect to see in a group that engages in self destructive behavior? Perhaps high depression rates, high abusive relationship rates, high infidelity rates, high drug abuse rates, high suicide rates… Not coincidentally, this is exactly what you see in the sexually active homosexual community.

Can someone engage in self destructive behaviors and still be a decent person, even a decent parent? Sure, but they are playing against a badly stacked deck. My family has a long history of alcoholism, but many of them managed to hide their problem and prevent it from destroying family and career for a long time. Were they bad parents? No, many of them were fairly good while the kids were young. Would you support known alcoholics in a bid to adopt? Not unless they had demonstrated the ability to STOP the self destructive behavior first. Otherwise you can’t justify the elevated risk. Same goes for adoption by active homosexuals.

 

[RyanML]

What should we expect to see in a group that engages in self destructive behavior? Perhaps high depression rates, high abusive relationship rates, high infidelity rates, high drug abuse rates, high suicide rates… Not coincidentally, this is exactly what you see in the sexually active homosexual community.

All of my friends who are gay or lesbian do not exhibit such behavioral problems. As a gay man myself, i’m still on the fence as far as gay adoption goes, but I don’t think it’s helpful to make such generalizations.

 

[Polaris]

I do know one depressed drug taking homosexual. He is a virgin and in Courage, he literally hates himself and is why I am now longer a supporter of courage, better than the ex-gay places though. The other gays I know are all in couples, three long term relationshis, one going on sixty years, none of them suffer from those symptoms. I think if you are using other people for sexual gratification yes you damage your soul, Suicide is also higher in heterosexuals with high partner amounts, but to these gay couples its clear its not about using the other, sex is a gift they give eachother. There soul is intact and they dont need those false hopes of drugs or death or feel depressed but are happy as any married couple.

 

[manualman]

There is a difference between “generalizing” and looking for patterns that may suggest causation. Here’s some interesting reading on the subject:

narth.com/docs/studyconfirms.html

Anecdotes about individual friends are less reliable means of drawing conclusions that studies of larger populations.

 

[rwoehmke]

I am no fan of homosexuality, but there do exist stable loving homosexual couples. Usually these are not the ones one hears about. Would it be better for a child to grow up in an institution or being bounced from foster family to foster family?

Should homosexual couple use their status (sexual preference} to demand adoption; pushing the idea of discrimination? I think not. The agency should have the right to chose the best home in each case.

 

[Padilla7921]

The agency should have the right to chose the best home in each case.

Exactly. It shouldn’t be about being gay or straight, it should be about who provides the best opportunity for that child to live well, thrive in all aspects, and succeed in life.

 

[Polaris]

There is a difference between “generalizing” and looking for patterns that may suggest causation. Here’s some interesting reading on the subject:

narth.com/docs/studyconfirms.html

Anecdotes about individual friends are less reliable means of drawing conclusions that studies of larger populations.

Now that is funny do you realze that you just used a source from NARTH. All NARTH does is realease Anecdotal evidence they have no longterm studies of the effects on the psyche, no peer reviewed studies and those who do researh it usually admit that it has a very high failure rate when cornered. The sad thing is most of the Anecdotes of those who go through this therapy is suicide.

Using NARTH is like trustin Move On.org for you news.

 

[Methodi]

Are you really ignorant enough to think that homosexual couples would influence their adopted children so as to fit their own homosexual agenda? Remember, homosexuals aren’t all “selfish hedonists,” as some would have you believe.

Amen to what You have said.People dont stop to think that homosexuals come from heterosexual parents. I Know two male homosexuals who are raising children they told me they would never lead their children to homosexual lifestyle.
Many gay people have told me who would choose such a life.Even the Church says it is surely a trial to be homosexual.

 

[manualman]

Narth didn’t produce the study.

Leaving aside the issue of the legitimacy of therapy to determine the reason for a SSA, you apparently wish to discount the study findings merely because it is listed on a website you detest??

 

[Dale_M]

Narth didn’t produce the study.

Here is a link to the abstract of the study:
archpsyc.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/58/1/85

It says that gays and lesbians are more likely to have anxiety or mood disorders. I don’t think this is too surprising when you consider the stresses of living as a minority within a culture which is sometimes hostile to you. I would expect similar results for other minority groups which are subject to disfavor.

 

[Padilla7921]

It says that gays and lesbians are more likely to have anxiety or mood disorders. I don’t think this is too surprising when you consider the stresses of living as a minority within a culture which is sometimes hostile to you. I would expect similar results for other minority groups which are subject to disfavor.

But that doesn’t necessarily mean that a homosexual couple shouldn’t be allowed to adopt a child. I mean, there are some pretty unstable heterosexuals out there.

 

[Dale_M]

But that doesn’t necessarily mean that a homosexual couple shouldn’t be allowed to adopt a child. I mean, there are some pretty unstable heterosexuals out there.

Oh certainly. I don’t think depression, which is treatable, is any bar to being an adoptive parent. Granted, a gay or lesbian who is an agoraphobic they would probably be unsuitable for adopting, but in such a case its the agoraphobia which would be disqualifying, not the sexual orientation.

 

[Padilla7921]

Granted, a gay or lesbian who is an agoraphobic they would probably be unsuitable for adopting, but in such a case its the agoraphobia which would be disqualifying, not the sexual orientation.

Agreed.

 

[Shlomey]

Homosexual people must have the grace to recognize that homosexuality is inherently incompatible with parenthood and human reproduction.

You do realize that it’s not the homosexual parents that breed homosexual children, right?
There are enough hetersexual children living normally here in Europe who live in a household with homosexual parents.

Your assumptions are based on ignorance.

 

[Blade_and_Blood]

Let’s not send the children of the world into environments that sacrifice the child’s normal development and potential in order to serve the desires of homosexual adults. ** Homosexual people must have the grace to recognize that homosexuality is inherently incompatible with parenthood and human reproduction.**

Homosexual couples who adopt children don’t influence or interfere with a child’s sexual orientation. It’s incredibly (and I *mean *incredibly) rare. Besides, homosexuals can function as a loving environment and even have the regular functions of a mom and a dad… I’m sure you guys have seen a man acting feminine or a girl acting masculine.

I know it’s not the real thing, but it’s still a loving home, and that’s what orphaned children need. Just know that same-sex couples can’t interfere with a child’s orientation, development, or potential.

It’s all on the kid, really; Nurture plays its part to an extent, but they genetically obtain the personalities of their biological parents. But that’s a different and more complicated story.

Ironically Yours, Blade and Blood

 

[manualman]

Here is a link to the abstract of the study:
archpsyc.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/58/1/85

It says that gays and lesbians are more likely to have anxiety or mood disorders. I don’t think this is too surprising when you consider the stresses of living as a minority within a culture which is sometimes hostile to you. I would expect similar results for other minority groups which are subject to disfavor.

Did you pay attention to where the study was done? I’ve not been there, but my understanding is that homosexual behavior there is as normalized as hetero fornication is here: a cultural non-issue. I don’t hear many of the cohabitators around here citing opression by religious nuts as the cause of their life problems.