Adoption by homosexual pairs of adults

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I seems highly likely to me that, were I not raised by a father and mother, I would not be married today with my own genetic children. For the common good as well as for the good of our children, I believe that every child’s normal sexual development and reproductive potential should be protected from the inherently non-reproductive homosexual adult relationship model.

It is understandable that homosexual adults, who do not aspire to reproduce and cannot model reproduction for their children, may not value or sense the “loss” of this or other aspects of heterosexuality which the child may fail to develop in their care.

Let’s not send the children of the world into environments that sacrifice the child’s normal development and potential in order to serve the desires of homosexual adults. ** Homosexual people must have the grace to recognize that homosexuality is inherently incompatible with parenthood and human reproduction.**
Surely this comes down to the matter of consistency and integrity. If the Church’s adoption agencies, or the state’s adoption agencies, really believe that the marital home is the only appropriate environment in which to bring up children, do they allow children to be placed with single people? People who are dating or living with an unmarried partner? Non-Catholic couples? Couples who are divorced and remarried? Couples who do not attend mass or do not follow the Church’s teachings on married love? Do they allow children to be placed in the care of Religious congregations?

If they allow other factors, such as the stability of the relationship and their commitment to care for the child, to permit adoption in all of these non-ideal environments, then why should same sex couples be any different?
 
Eh, I’m well into middle age, and have known kids all my life, both as a kid myself and as an elder, and I have yet to see any problems. Their youngsters seem no more - or less- likely to be homosexual, neurotic, immoral, or lacking in academic interest - in fact, I think some youngsters may well benefit from having two moms or dads!

The really important part is the stability and honor between the adoptive couple, and their love of the child.
 
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They say Hitler was very kind to his dog and his friends.

Did you know that since a person severed his friendship with God, no good that he accrues is credited to him until he is absolved? Specifically, while a homosexual who has learned his acts are an abomination, any good he does, and I’ll say it again, any good he does for the remainder of his life is not accredited to him.

The point is these people have become obstinate in the conformation to one precept of God.

If they believe in what they are doing is right or benign,
how are we to trust that they will pass on the message to the young that what they are doing doesn’t have God’s sanction.?

Worst, they compound their sin by insulting God by placing in jeopardy the welfare and correct upbringing of His little ones.

Worst, some have insulted God by making a mockery of the Institution of Marriage.

AndyF
 
“Adoption by homosexual pairs of adults”

Very bad idea. Kids will have to listen to and will undoubtedly absorb much of, constant ‘anti-Christian-Establishment’ criticism from their fake and emotionally wounded parents. :mad:
 
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They say Hitler was very kind to his dog and his friends.

Did you know that since a person severed his friendship with God, no good that he accrues is credited to him until he is absolved? Specifically, while a homosexual who has learned his acts are an abomination, any good he does, and I’ll say it again, any good he does for the remainder of his life is not accredited to him.

The point is these people have become obstinate in the conformation to one precept of God.

If they believe in what they are doing is right or benign,
how are we to trust that they will pass on the message to the young that what they are doing doesn’t have God’s sanction.?

Worst, they compound their sin by insulting God by placing in jeopardy the welfare and correct upbringing of His little ones.

Worst, some have insulted God by making a mockery of the Institution of Marriage.

AndyF
You and I differ on our religious beliefs…there is no sin in being gay…there is no “insult” to Godby wishing to raise children in a loving environment…there is no danger to these “little ones”…unless there is danger of having loving and faithful parents…PARENTS as declared by the State…not the Catholic church…what the CC does is it’s own choice…those of us in the Society of Friends have witnessed our gay and lesbian members enter into “marriage after the manner of Friends”…they live faithful lives…there is no mockery of the institution of marriage.

We have much that we differ on…you may choose to ascribe evil behavior to these men and women and claim to speak for God…I choose to let those wonderful parents display love and affection toward these “little ones” God has entrusted to their care…the things you speak of is very very foreign to my experience with these gay and lesbian parents…and Friends.

I would guess I’d be “obstinant” and choose to trust my eyes and heart and experience before I’d trust your theological beliefs to determine “Truth”…and “Truth” is what I’ve seen these men and women exhibit in their lives…they are authentic.
 
“Adoption by homosexual pairs of adults”

Very bad idea. Kids will have to listen to and will undoubtedly absorb much of, constant ‘anti-Christian-Establishment’ criticism from their fake and emotionally wounded parents. :mad:
Would you object to a pair of men living as brothers adopting a child? Are they emotionally wounded as well? And for that matter, what makes them fake parents even if they are homosexuals?

Are they not more likely to appreciate the precious gift of life, love, and parenting if they had to fight for it?
 
“Adoption by homosexual pairs of adults”

Very bad idea. Kids will have to listen to and will undoubtedly absorb much of, constant ‘anti-Christian-Establishment’ criticism from their fake and emotionally wounded parents. :mad:
Apparently ignorance is still running rampant…

First off, not all homosexuals are anti-Christian. Additionally, homosexual parents are “fake” and “emotionally wounded?” Really?

But, I guess I am just totally appalled at the utter lack of maturity and intelligence in your post. I highly suggest thinking more about the subject, and reading the posts in this thread.
 
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Very bad idea. Kids will have to listen to and will undoubtedly absorb much of, constant ‘anti-Christian-Establishment’ criticism from their fake and emotionally wounded parents. :mad:
Are you serious? You seem to be saying that potential adoptive parents need to be screened for their attitudes toward Christianity. Do you believe that non-Christians shouldn’t be allowed to adopt?
 
Just know that same-sex couples can’t interfere with a child’s orientation, development, or potential.
But they can try. I had a lesbian friend who conceived by artificial insemination. She told me that she intended to raise her child (of whichever sex) to be a homosexual. She was sure that heterosexuality only leads to misery.

That was many years ago. I wonder how little Brendan turned out? Probably just as confused and hurting as a homosexual raised by parents who told them all homosexuals go to hell.

More anecdotes: I have had 5 close homosexual male friends. All of them were promiscuous, even the two who were in a long-term relationship.

Summing up, I feel that it will be a rare homosexual couple who will genuinely be suited to make good parents.

By the way, I’m definitely *not *saying that all hetero couples will make good parents.

God bless all people,

Ruthie
 
But they can try. I had a lesbian friend who conceived by artificial insemination. She told me that she intended to raise her child (of whichever sex) to be a homosexual. She was sure that heterosexuality only leads to misery.
And there are many heterosexual people that disown their children for being homosexual, or who indoctrinate them into thinking that homosexuals are immoral, evil, more-sinner-than-us, and other things along those same lines. Goes both ways.
I have had 5 close homosexual male friends. All of them were promiscuous, even the two who were in a long-term relationship.
I have more than 5 heterosexual male friends who are all incredibly promiscuous. One even has a child on the way and still remains just as promiscuous as before.

Newsflash: Catholic school students aren’t saints.
Summing up, I feel that it will be a rare homosexual couple who will genuinely be suited to make good parents.
While I’m unaware of statistics in favor of either side of the argument, I will say that one cannot assume anything, or even make inferences based on subjective experience, because neither reflect the truth.
 
I wonder why everyone is so focused on the sexual behavior, while missing The Elephant in the Room.

We are talking about children being deliberately, exclusively raised by one gender. The fact that a same-gendered “couple” – even if straight, or even if gay & celibate – may provide in many cases as loving & stable an environment as a dual-gendered couple, is a limited standard by which to judge its advisability.

We unconsciously pattern ourselves, and develop our intrinsic identities, in relation to what we have been intimately exposed to in a family setting. The complement of both genders in a primary role is essential to the full development of the human person – never mind even the fuller **spiritual **dimensions of life. God is beyond gender, but genders, plural, is one essential instrument of full self-discovery, self-development, and our complete relationship to God.

Just ask my teenage daughter, whose father died before she could remember him. Ask her how isolated she feels having grown up without the anchor of her other half.

SSA is not just about your pleasure, your happiness, your fulfillment. It’s about the lifelong journey and unfolding identity of innocent children who have to live with the effects of other people’s choices.
 
Would you object to a pair of men living as brothers adopting a child?
If they are really brothers they would not act as man and wife.
Are they emotionally wounded as well? And for that matter, what makes them fake parents even if they are homosexuals?
Children have a right to complimentarity in their parents. It is one thing for a child to be raised by aunts or uncles or single parents as the result of some undesired incident. It is quite another to contrive some union.
Are they not more likely to appreciate the precious gift of life, love, and parenting if they had to fight for it?
How does one appreciate parenthood when living contrary to what parenthood is?
 
I truly wish that there was a way that homosexual adoption could be outlawed. Unfortunately, I think that if it was done, it would be found to be unconstitutional. Perhaps if we can get gay marriage outlawed at the federal level, we can then get gay adoptions outlawed at the federal level as well. One can only hope.
 
I know married Catholic couples whom I would never want to raise a child. I know gay couples who would be great parents. I also know gay couples who shouldn’t have children - a very close relative among them.

We’re talking about children who need homes - the vast majority of those who are against homosexuals adopting aren’t lining up to be foster/adopt parents. My state has over 3,500 children in care per year and only about 1,000 foster homes. And this is a tiny state, and a very, very red one at that. If stable single parents, gay parents, etc want to adopt children need homes, I would not stand in the way of a permanent family over a childhood in foster care.

I’m very conflicted about issues surrounding homosexuality/SSA. Should Catholic Charities adopt to homosexual couples? No. Should state agencies? Yes. Until every single child who needs a home is granted a loving, stable, two-parent home, then the child’s need for permanency takes priority. Period.
 
Sorry, but I do not agree with post #34. The State, not only Catholic Charities, is a stakeholder in adoption outcomes, because the results determine the full humanity of the “offspring.” Unless you believe that half of the human race is irrelevant to any particular household, then you cannot be pro-same-sex adoption, because an entire gender is being excluded from the parenting of that child. That’s Reason #1.

Then there’s the corollary of that: the fantasy that says that because you might know some particularly “bad” heterosexual parents (by your standards) & have decided (who are you to decide, btw?) should not adopt, or worse, that you assume some people who in your “almighty” opinion (no sacrcasm directed toward the poster here) must be or will be or have been bad parents because of certain behaviors or personalities you’ve seen – that it makes it acceptable to engage in a social experiment which will affect a significant portion of an entire generation. I simply can’t see anything in Scripture supporting such “reasoning.” And I’m just, for starters, limiting myself to Scripture; I’m not even supplementing that with Catholic apologetics.

Argument #1 against such flawed reasoning is that (1) Unless you live simultaneously, or in long stretches in alternating fashion, with both a particular heterosexual couple and a particular homosexual couple, you have a limited picture of the parenting strengths & weaknesses of either couple. Argument #2 is that (2) such comparative judgments on an ‘observer’s’ part is limited to the present moment and/or the past (and again, limited) knowledge base. It does not account for the full arc of a child’s journey (into the future) from infancy through adulthood. It is most often once we have fully grown that we begin to incorporate fully, reflect deeply, & appreciate most gratefully the varied experiences of our childhood, the good as well as the bad, and how that combined good and bad have allowed us to fashion an integrated personality. That view & that vision is not available to us when we’re children, and not available to any observer on CAF before the completion of that journey.

Example: When I was a child and young adult, I had a fragmented opinion of my (heterosexual) parents. After conversations with others, it’s clear that I am typical. At any given time I focused on my parents’ individual weaknesses as people and as parents. Without going into an entire melodramatic story, there were heavy, heavy things happening in our household. My case was not exceptional, but our family was definitely more “extreme” in these problems than the average family. My gosh, had an outsider ‘looked in,’ they would have perceived from surface impressions that I should be removed instantly from that environment: in fact, that all of us should be released to Child Protective Services, & the heterosexual parents been declared unfit to parent. Perhaps some posters on CAF would have preferred to turn me over to a gay couple? Thank the Lord that none of you were in a position to make such a decision. I was fully formed by my imperfect, sometimes very flawed, often sinful, parents, who were troubled in many ways, both as individuals and definitely as a couple.

But these same parents gave me a depth of experience by virtue of their being first of all different genders. They tried to remind us of their previous genuine love, a model that became a pattern for me. They were very conscious of how their different genders contributed to the different strengths which they brought to the marriage & to parenting. They were people who deeply respected tradition, even in a secular way, & relived those traditions regularly, even when their marriage was in trouble. And even when their marriage was jeopardized (& they did eventually divorce, when we were virtually grown), we continued to benefit from both parents separately parenting us in a faithful manner. Neither one abandoned us when the marriage fell apart. This showed me an enormous amount about sustaining one’s values & commitments when life gets difficult.

In that respect, the bottom line is not that many homosexual couples appear to be better suited to parenthood than some heterosexual couples, because sexual tension (in the full sense of sexual) is far more operative in the latter than in the former. My mother once explained this to me when I declared that I was surprised at the occasional depth of hostility between her and my father. Or to put it another way, same-gender relationships, even nonsexual, are easier than different gender relationships. It is way easier for the vast majority of people to relate to someone of their own gender. There’s generally more harmony because the communication is instinctively understood & the behavior is not as difficult to “translate.”

This whole argument about “better” & “happier” couples is such a cop-out. It’s like saying you’d make a better Christian & a more loving, peaceful person if you didn’t have to carry a cross. Um, that’s the point: it’s the suffering that forms you. You should be grateful if the work is really hard.

I feel as if I finally truly honor my late father and my late mother. I did the best I could growing up, with my limited & more narcissistic expectations of what they would or should provide. Now I understand how my mother did darn well with her limited toolbox in extremely difficult circumstances. I have forgiven her for absolutely everything, & I will never criticize the past for whatever she worried, or I judged, she was unable to achieve. She’s achieved it now, maybe, in me.

Ditto for my father. My respect for him came much earlier, as my relationship with him was virtually seamless for most of my life, but now I place them equally on a pedestal & pray that God will reward them now for the efforts against their own personal demons.
 
Homosexuals are born & raised of heterosexual parents. There are so many married couples who have homosexual tendencies,some act them out some dont.I have known many many married men who are married & go both ways, a lot of them catholic too.
We cant say that a homosexual couple is going to lead the children they raise to be homos. Do heterosexuals deliberately raise their kids to be gay, No, but they are, through no fault of the parents
 
The other strong objection I have to same-gender couples as parents is that, when it comes to ‘biological’ parenting options (as opposed to adoptive), the choices are in all respects disordered. The only way that such a couple can procreate is to engage third parties, which itself is immoral. So one option is that a female engages with an actual man she knows (copulates with him – & that’s all it is) in order to conceive in her body. Talk about using another human being as an object! Option #2 is to journey to her local anonymous sperm donor bank, to engage in the reprehensible step of using disembodied sperm to achieve her desires, resulting in a child growing up with a stranger for a reference point of a father.

It’s amazing to me how many people are rationalizing these unions. Yes, I know lots of nice gay people, too. That doesn’t mean I think they should become parents.
 
I am sure many homosexuals would make excellent parents, but I don’t think it is right to place a child with a homosexual couple.

Christ taught that men and women should be joined together (married) and that they should produce children:

Have you not read that he who made them from the beginning made them male and female, and said, “For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh”? So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man put asunder (Matt. 19:4–6).

When men and women conceive children, they become one flesh. It takes a man and a woman to create a child, and it takes a man and women to raise a child. Men and women conceive children together, and men and women should raise children together. Homosexuals cannot conceive children together and should not raise children together.

Homosexuality prevents people from reproducing. Homosexuality is a perversion of the sexual act given by God to create children. This is why Christ, through his Church, teaches that homosexual acts are disordered and unnatural:

Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that “homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered.” They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved (CCC 2357; cf. Persona Humana 8).

If the family was supposed to be made up of two men or two women and their children, God would have made it possible for two men or two women to conceive a child together.

Heterosexual couples are the natural guardians of children. Every child deserves to be raised by a loving mother and father. The development of a child requires both a mother and a father, and I feel that it is unfair that children should lack one or the other. I am aware that many children are raised in single parent households and this is unfortunate. However, the vast majority of single parents are divorcees or widowers. The breakup of the family was unintentional. However, homosexual adoptions deliberately deprive the children of either a father or a mother. The lack of a father or a mother will have a negative effect on the psychological health and well-being of a child. This is true whether you care to admit it or not.

Adoption agencies should not place children in the hands of homosexual couples. To do so would be unfair to the child, and could cause psychological problems in later life. At the very least, children raised by homosexuals will be missing a father or mother figure, which will teach them about the opposite sex. This is one of my main concerns; I feel that homosexual families are unable to give a child a balanced upbringing.

With this in mind, I think homosexuals who strive to adopt children are selfish. They are putting their own selfish desires for happiness before the psychological needs of children. Children need both a father and a mother, and homosexual parents are selfishly depriving children of this.

This is why I will never support homosexual adoptions.
 
I wonder why everyone is so focused on the sexual behavior, while missing The Elephant in the Room.

We are talking about children being deliberately, exclusively raised by one gender.
And yet most states of the US allow single persons to adopt, so that the child is raised exclusively by one gender.
 
Thank you for replying, wapsi. Yes, I do know that. I mentioned on an earlier thread 🙂 that my single straight neighbor who never married adopted a boy from a war-torn country in the Balkans. I completely supported her decision, then, and now. He was rescued from severe violence & from being orphaned, both. He also does not have it as a pattern to model, that two parents will be of the same gender; he does not look upon 2 genders as parents to be the norm. He understands clearly that his situation of being raised by a single Mom is preferable to having been abandoned to whatever meager social services or U.N. agencies would have remained as an alternative.

I think there’s a big difference between ultimately excluding accidentally single parents and approving an exceptional union which does not promote the full psychological integration of the individual because it lacks the important male (or female) component that is a reality in the psyche of every person. So there are at minimum 3 issues: (1) the absence of one gender; (2) the saturation of one gender; (3) the patterning of normative heterosexual relationships.

So, for my neighbor’s situation: Had there been, at the time she sought adoption, a heterosexual couple ready to adopt the same boy, my opinion is the couple should have been preferred over her. But there wasn’t such a couple at the time. So I’m all for single people, not “married” homosexuals, being in line for adoption, after the priority of married heterosexual couples being at the top of the list. The problem (another topic, I know) with legally sanctioned secular “marriages” of gay couples is that our legal principles are based on Equal Protection, & thus I doubt that the gov’t would stand for prioritizing adoptions in such a way. There would be challenges to such preferences. I haven’t looked into CT and MA; probably gay couples receive equal consideration for adoptions, with straights, but I don’t know that.
 
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