Adoptions by Homosexuals: Do You Approve?

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Lisa N:
puzzleannie, we’ve had several just horrific stories about homosexuals adopting or fostering children, only to procure them for sexual abuse. One of the MOST horrible was a juvenile officer who was KNOWN to want “clean cut boys l3-17” for his clients. There were complaints about him for literally decades and no one did anything. One of his former clients finally committed suicide and the whole sordid tale has come out. The sad thing is that people KNEW about what this man was doing but no one would defy him and his perverted agenda.

Another story of two very prominent homosexuals who were 'poster boys" for Portland’s short lived homosexual marriage statute. One adopted a boy at age 9, started abusing him at age 12 and then enlisted him to bring home friends that were also abused and used for porn.

One of the worst was a male who adopted a FOUR YEAR OLD boy and sodomized him until he apparently nearly died. That’s how he was caught.

You are right that it is easier to adopt/foster a child than to get a pet from the humane society. I used to work for a breed rescue and we had a five page contract people had to sign. Their application had to have references and you had to undergo a home visit before adopting a dog! But quite honestly they are so desperate for foster homes they will literally take almost anyone.

And no I am NOT saying all homosexuals are molesters but I think we have tried to close our eyes to this possibility to prove we are not bigots and the CHILDREN are the victims of the PC god.

Lisa N
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Do you have any links for these incidents?
 
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CatQuilt:
Do you have any links for these incidents?
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All of these stories were reported in the Oregonian. I would go to their site (think it’s www.oregonian.com) and do a search.

Lisa N
 
What if a totally repentant gay man and lesbian woman decide to marry and adopt a child? It would take alot of secret planning from the community to make it work and it would be desirable that both spouses be Catholic or Christian.:crying:
 
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goofyjim:
What if a totally repentant gay man and lesbian woman decide to marry and adopt a child? It would take alot of secret planning from the community to make it work and it would be desirable that both spouses be Catholic or Christian.:crying:
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Jim I really don’t understand your point here. First if these two were repentent and gave up the homosexual life, presumably they could have kids the old fashioned way and wouldn’t need to adopt. Further while I might have some reservations that either or both would slide back to the old way, I think the major objection to homosexuals adopting is that they by definition deprive a child of a mother or a father. Two mommies don’t make a daddy and two daddies don’t make a mommy. Assuming these two were willing and able to properly role model the children, that they had a past that was not optimal for child raising isn’t a deal killer IMO.

Lisa N
 
Before Rosie O’Donnel came “out of the closet” she adopted at least 3 children. Now I heard that her LOVER was pregnant! This just makes me sick and nauseated.

No, I do NOT support Gays and Lesbians adopting children. If they are willing to live a celibate lifestyle (meaning no sexual activity) then perhaps…

I do support single “Straight” men or women adopting children, though. There’s a woman on another site I go to often that adopted two special needs children. She’s a single mother.

There are times when a child needs the advantage of two parents in a household. What if a little girl is adopted by two gay men and then when she becomes a young woman (puberty) they don’t know how to explain what’s happening? At those times, she would need a woman’s influence.
 
Im just disgusted at the amount of fundumentalism on this board. This is a subject you can never argue against so I try not to let it bother me. The law will say its unconstitutional, remember the “persuit of happiness” in the constitution? You can easily argue that these homoesexuals’ right to persuit happiness is violated by not allowing them to adopt, but you can never argue whether the children are happier with homosexuals or happier being homeless. Therefore I dont see the point of the argument cause the homosexuals always win, they may not need everyone’s approval, but they only need the law’s.
It is very stupid to think anything can be done on any of these issues. Look ar Bush, has he done anything for abortion? No, he hasnt done zip. Has he done anything against gay marriage? Zip. All he can do is talk the talk but not walk the walk. And now hes allowing corporates to cut middle class retirement benefits, which i would imagine nost americans are against, but hes got ur vote because he can talk the talk. This is what happens when american votes are so dominated by fundementalism. Forget about homosexuals, and dont let them bother you, its an unwinnable argument in the law. All this is is a get rich scheme by replublicans.
 
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ja3712:
Look ar Bush, has he done anything for abortion? No, he hasnt done zip.
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-Unborn Victims of Violence act (aka Laci & Connor’s law)
-Born Alive infants Act (protecting babies that survive an abortion so they get medical care and are not left to die)
-Partial Birth Abortion Ban (which is being fought in court unfortunately)

He’s also tried to nominate non-activist pro life judges, but the DemocRats have consistently blocked/filibustered his nominees.
 
jediliz said:
-Unborn Victims of Violence act (aka Laci & Connor’s law)
-Born Alive infants Act (protecting babies that survive an abortion so they get medical care and are not left to die)
-Partial Birth Abortion Ban (which is being fought in court unfortunately)

He’s also tried to nominate non-activist pro life judges, but the DemocRats have consistently blocked/filibustered his nominees.
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Even democrats can pass a ban on partial birth abortion, that is far from what Bush is promising, but we all know now that this is the last thing on his mind.
 
One of my best friends was raised by 2 mothers who’ve been together close to 27 years now. She had male influences via uncles and the like, but no father.

As an adult, she is happily married (9 years), in a traditional hetero relationship with 3 children.

This is my only real experience with the subject. I had a male and a female “structure”, but it would be stretching it to call them parents.

MT
 
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Me_and_My_Tribe:
One of my best friends was raised by 2 mothers who’ve been together close to 27 years now. She had male influences via uncles and the like, but no father.

As an adult, she is happily married (9 years), in a traditional hetero relationship with 3 children.

This is my only real experience with the subject. I had a male and a female “structure”, but it would be stretching it to call them parents.

MT
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And this poves what?
 
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ja3712:
Even democrats can pass a ban on partial birth abortion, that is far from what Bush is promising, but we all know now that this is the last thing on his mind.
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Yes but the reality was that they DIDNT pass the law. Clinton vetoed it not once but twice. Bush signed it. Now the courts are fighting it out. Again we have judicial tyranny. Quit blaming Bush. If he were so ineffective why does Planned Parenthood’s website have a list of what they’ve “lost” since he came in office? I receive propaganda from PP claiming that Bush is trying to restrict a “woman’s right to choose.” I guess everyone but you is fooled right?

Lisa N
 
NO… From literature that I have read, I have found that a child needs both parents to flourish (a male and female) so this adoption of a childe by homosexuas wouldn’t be psychologically healthy for the child…

God Bless–JMJ
Laura
 
We have a new son who had lived with a gay couple for a year.

They flunked out as foster parents. It is appalling that these men were ever considered father material.

One of the dads had his drivers license taken away. He still drove the foster child about. He was evidently scrupulous about cleanliness. We can’t let the child help us clean because he becomes mean. It is like he has seen God, and God is beneath the finish of our end tables.

The men showed adult themed horror movies to the kid and then they told him that Michael Meyers and Chuckie were in his closet. They would come out and cut him up and eat him. The child was between 3 and 4.5 years of age when this was done to him.

As opposed to most four year olds, he has a concept of homosexual sexual penetration. The child said he wanted to put his penis in our older son’s butt and pee in it. What four year old would even think such a thing?

He didn’t know to stop eating an apple when one reaches the core. He had never been to the zoo. He didn’t know what a river was.

Tonight, he was being mean to the dog. He was told to go to his room and wouldn’t go. So he got pinned to the floor and I prayed 20 decades of the Rosary and several St. Michael the Archangels.

(Pinning to the floor comes from his destructive behavior to himself or our home. He has tried to head butt, bite, spit and blow his nose on me. I have a modified the straight jacket hold and he can’t do any of those things when held that way. The social worker has approved the hold. )

I have dealt more with the abuse of these men than I have with the abuse of his birth mom who had him for 3 years.

After the child was moved to our home, the men fought to get the child back. They claimed it was emotional abuse to place him with us.

The dad’s were hurt because our first meeting with the child went extremely well. They broke his happy meal toy. Breaking a kid’s toy isn’t emotionally abusive?

He has been so happy to have a mother and most clingy with me. He has more trouble trusting my husband - through no fault of my husband.

To think that I am following up a birth mom who hit him in the head with a shoe – he has a nice scar to prove it.

Tonight it would be easy to say I don’t want the child anymore – it has been four very difficult months for me. Still, I know that we are the best chance this child has to live up to his potential.
 
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And this poves what?
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If you mean proof like scientific proof, my guess would be nothing. It is only a sample of one, which doesn’t hold up for science.

If you mean per my personal opinion, well, it was my experience that the woman raised by 2 lesbians grew up in a stable and loving household, and suffered no ill effects as an adult (again, she is in a traditional and loving hetero relationship, so obviously no one “converted” her She is very close to her two mothers). I was raised (until I was 15, then I was on my own) by 2 parents, one male and one female. My home was neither stable nor loving, but I think I am still a pretty decent adult depite this. Therefore, my personal conclusions based on my personal experience, is that it is the quality of the parents that matters more than the gender.

MT
 
I voted disapprove. It is not that I don’t think that 2 men or 2 women living together could raise a “normal” child, I have seen it so. It is all about setting the Godly example for your children even at your inconvenience. I am a single mom, I saw what happened when my boys went through puberty. I was difficult at best. I was lucky enought to have a whole parish full of men willing to guide my boys to manhood. It still was difficult. I ended up having my fiancee move into my home to reinforce manly behavior to my boys. We have seperate berooms until marriage to set a “good” example for all my children male and female. What they have learned from this is that I care more for them than my own selfish thoughts or wants (yeah I am admitting to humanity here). My kids and I talk openly about what is right and Godly behavior as opposed to modern relativism. The result is that I have an 18 yo that is not ashamed to admit to me or anyone else that he is a virgin. So would this have happened if he had 2 moms living in a relationship that is not blest by the church? I don’t know, but I do know it would have been harder to teach him the “right way” if I wasn’t trying to live it. As for the girls…I don’t even know if I could raise my daughters to find the same role model in Mary if I was attracted to and living with another woman. I think they might think that this lifestyle is an acceptable alternative. For that matter, if 2 lesbians are raising a daughter, would this not send a message to the daughter that marriage is not necessary since moms are not married, so Sex outside of marriage is ok with a man as well.
 
I feel it would be harmful for a Child to be raised by people who are plagued by a most unfortunate (issue) that is contrary to nature. God intended children to be raised in a normal family with all of it’s normal issues. These issues go above and beyond what a child should be exposed to. If Gay people want to have paternal or maternal instinct then they should act on it naturaly and go straight.

-D
 
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Me_and_My_Tribe:
If you mean proof like scientific proof, my guess would be nothing. It is only a sample of one, which doesn’t hold up for science.

If you mean per my personal opinion, well, it was my experience that the woman raised by 2 lesbians grew up in a stable and loving household, and suffered no ill effects as an adult (again, she is in a traditional and loving hetero relationship, so obviously no one “converted” her She is very close to her two mothers). I was raised (until I was 15, then I was on my own) by 2 parents, one male and one female. My home was neither stable nor loving, but I think I am still a pretty decent adult depite this. Therefore, my personal conclusions based on my personal experience, is that it is the quality of the parents that matters more than the gender.

MT
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That all assumes that we agree on what “loving” and “stable” mean. Our neo pagan society tends to equate “love” with feelings and “stability” with secular ideals.
 
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Mamamull, your story moved me to tears. My nephew and his wife adopted a child when the child was 3 years old. He had spent his 1st two years with his drug addicted mother and several other neglected siblings. The year prior to his adoption, he spent in a series of foster homes because his behavior was so out of control that no one would keep him.
My nephew and his wife adopted him 5 years ago and have had terrible problems. He has abused the dogs, repeadedly hit the wife, and is presently working on getting my nephew fired from his job. Nephew is retired Air Force and is working as a security consultant and the child shows up at the office like the Tazmanian devil and will make 20 hang up calls per day to nephew and his superiors. The situation has never improved through 5 years of psychological intervention paid for, of course, by nephew. The wife quit her job to stay home with this child and is so depressed now she needs Prozac to keep going. It is a sad situation with no improvement in sight.
I will add you and your family to my prayers for my nephew and his family.
Who knows? Maybe both these boys will grow up and accomplish wonderful things because of the patience of their adoptive parents. You are heros. I am not endowed with the gifts of love and perseverance you all have.
 
Irenicist,

I would think that the Orthodox tend to see it the same way you do with examples of their own. The reality is that it is a problem for both sides, as I mentioned above.
 
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