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Solomonson
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Well, you won’t receive the same graces that you would if you were truly at adoration, but if it helped you to enter into prayer then it would still be a good thing, analogous to watching Mass on EWTN.
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AnneElizabeth
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No.
Tis_Bearself
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I’m not sure what you mean by “valid”.
If your intent is to adore the Blessed Sacrament and you can’t get to a church to do so, because they aren’t open or are 50 miles away, then you could certainly pull up this video to help you in your devotion and God would be cognizant of your pious intent. However, as was already said, you’re not going to get the same graces by watching a video that you would get by being in the Real Presence of the Blessed Sacrament.
In addition, if you’re trying to get the indulgence specified by the Church for Eucharistic Adoration, then you have to go do it in person - this video won’t count.
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josh987654321
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No. All you see are the accidents (appearance) of bread without actually being in Christ’s presence.
I hope this has helped
God Bless You
Thank you for reading
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Cor_ad_Cor
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For those saying no (aside from the fact that I don’t believe this is a yes/no question, because Adoration doesn’t have “validity”), I have some follow-up questions:
*]Why not?
*]How do you know (what definitive source is there) that Christ isn’t present?
*]What about a Mass that’s televised - why bother watching?
*]What about a priestly blessing issued over the radio, like Catholic Answers often has - is that in any way effective?
*]What if the Mass/blessing is pre-recorded vs. live?
I’m interested in some thoughts on these questions; apologies if it seems like de-railing.
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7_Sorrows
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For those saying no (aside from the fact that I don’t believe this is a yes/no question, because Adoration doesn’t have “validity”), I have some follow-up questions:
*]Why not?
*]How do you know (what definitive source is there) that Christ isn’t present?
*]What about a Mass that’s televised - why bother watching?
*]What about a priestly blessing issued over the radio, like Catholic Answers often has - is that in any way effective?
*]What if the Mass/blessing is pre-recorded vs. live?
I’m interested in some thoughts on these questions; apologies if it seems like de-railing.
Those are good questions.
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CatholicFireman
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Tis_Bearself
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For those saying no (aside from the fact that I don’t believe this is a yes/no question, because Adoration doesn’t have “validity”), I have some follow-up questions:
*]Why not?
*]How do you know (what definitive source is there) that Christ isn’t present?
There have been a bunch of threads on this topic before on CAF (Google brings up at least 3). On one of the past threads, there is this document from The Vatican called The Church and Internet that states, in pertinent part: “…the virtual reality of cyberspace has some worrisome implications for religion as well as for other areas of life. Virtual reality is no substitute for the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist, the sacramental reality of the other sacraments, and shared worship in a flesh-and-blood human community.” (see paragraph at end of Section II of the document).
Despite this document, there are still a lot of people on the threads insisting that you can adore Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament just as well via online viewing and to say otherwise is to “limit God”. I don’t doubt that people get some grace and benefits from adoring via Internet, but I also agree based on the Vatican document that adoring virtually by web (or TV viewing) is not the same as being in the physical presence of God by going there. The main reason for such sites is for people who physically can’t get to the chapel to be able to at least participate in some way in adoring, not to take the place of physically going there for people who are able to go.
I also note that in the 1999 Enchiridion of Indulgences, the indulgenced work concerning Adoration is to “visit” the Blessed Sacrament, which to me suggests you physically take yourself into the physical vicinity of the Real Presence located in the Church or tabernacle. If someone says they are “visiting” their mom, that generally does not mean they are Skyping with her, it means they are going where she is and spending time with her physically.
The answers I have found online from experts asked about virtual Adoration are consistent with the above.
ewtn.com/v/experts/showmessage.asp?number=390729&Pg=&Pgnu=&recnu=
ewtn.com/v/experts/showmessage.asp?number=544449&…
Tis_Bearself
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As a secondary reference to the Vatican one posted above, here is another from one of the old CAF threads, by Fr. Hardon, which reads, in pertinent part:
What is Prayer Before the Blessed Sacrament?
Prayer before the Blessed Sacrament is prayer offered to Jesus Christ, present in the Holy Eucharist, while the person praying is physically present in the Church or Chapel; in other words, Christ’s physical presence is met by our physical presence. We begin by observing that Christ present in the Holy Eucharist is truly conscious of our being there and we are to be correspondingly conscious of His being, should I say, here. **The key to what is prayer before the Blessed Sacrament is that two persons are each physically present to the other. The crucial word, I think, in this expression, “Prayer before the Blessed Sacrament” is the preposition before. A few synonyms; in front of, physically near, geographically close, bodily present, actually in the vicinity of - one reason, by the way, that the Church even with the discovery of our marvelous, modern communications media, has not said that a person would really be present at Mass while watching Mass celebrated — a wonderful experience — the point is, you have to be there. **
therealpresence.org/archives/Prayer/Prayer_065.htmHowever, even as we emphasize the physical presence in explaining the word before, this word before is not merely a bodily proximity, it is also and, with emphasis, a spiritual before; as I like to put it, it is not only proximity but intimacy. But let’s not cheapen or weaken that physical proximity that I would say is the conditio sine qua non, the condition without which** I’m not really present as the Church understands being present before the Blessed Sacrament, unless I am there physically where Christ is physically.**
Tis_Bearself
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Moving to your next question re Mass (we’ll discuss the blessing next), the televised or streamed Mass as I understand it is mainly intended to allow some way for people who physically can’t get to Mass, usually the sick or infirm, to watch and participate in a liturgy. It doesn’t fulfill a Sunday or holy day obligation; for the sick or infirm, this is a moot point because they don’t have the obligation anyway due to being too sick or infirm to attend Mass. In my area, the daily televised Mass was for years listed in the local TV guide as “Mass for Shut-Ins”.
- What about a Mass that’s televised - why bother watching?
- What if the Mass is pre-recorded vs. live?
One major minus to watching Mass on TV or Internet is that obviously you can’t receive Holy Communion, so you would need a minister of the Eucharist to bring you Communion physically, or if that was absolutely impossible then make an act of Spiritual Communion.
The guidelines for televised Mass, which I presume would also apply to Mass broadcast over the Internet, are set by the local bishops. The US guidelines are discussed here.
ewtn.com/library/liturgy/zlitur65.htm
From the discussion it appears that the US bishops have some concerns about the lack of personal interaction caused by watching Mass on TV vs. going in person, but the benefits to televising the Mass, such as being able to minister to shut-ins and possible evangelization, outweighed the concerns. Live broadcast is preferred over pre-recorded and this article has some discussion at the end as to why.
Tis_Bearself
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Moving on to your final question on priestly blessings:
*]What about a priestly blessing issued over the radio, like Catholic Answers often has - is that in any way effective?
*]What if the blessing is pre-recorded vs. live?
You can get the Pope’s Urbi et Orbi blessing, including the plenary indulgence, by broadcast over TV, radio, internet, as long as you receive it live at the time he is giving it. You can’t get it by rebroadcast.
Sources:
ewtn.com/library/liturgy/zlitur500.htm
basilica.ca/documents/2016/10/Sacred%20Apostolic%20Penitentiary-The%20Enchiridion%20of%20Indulgences.pdf
canonlawmadeeasy.com/2016/03/24/repost-churchs-current-rules-indulgences/
However, with respect to the Pope blessing holy objects, the sources I’ve read are divided as to whether you have to take the object into the physical presence of the Pope (e.g. St. Peter’s Square), or can you get it by transmission (unless he specifically states that the holy objects blessing applies to the live broadcast listeners’ objects as well, in which case it would definitely apply).
For priests other than the Pope, sources are divided on whether you can get their blessing by live transmission also, just like the Pope, see for example this source:
catholic-bulletin.blogspot.com/2008/07/papal-blessing.html
or alternatively whether this is a privilege reserved only for the Pope, see for example the EWTN Zenit source I posted already above.
I would imagine if you can’t actually get the priest’s blessing via broadcast, you could still cross yourself while saying the “customary words” and still get some grace, since you get a partial indulgence for making the sign of the cross while saying the words (see section 55 of the Enchiridion).
I hope this helps.
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7_Sorrows
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Thanks!As a secondary reference to the Vatican one posted above, here is another from one of the old CAF threads, by Fr. Hardon, which reads, in pertinent part:
therealpresence.org/archives/Prayer/Prayer_065.htm
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josh987654321
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Because all you see are the accidents (appearance) of bread without actually being in Christ’s presence.*]Why not?
Common sense.*]How do you know (what definitive source is there) that Christ isn’t present?
You can watch a video of someone on YouTube, the benefit of that is you are seeing the person and can hear them with the audio, it is completely visual and audio though, you are not in their presence, now in the case of the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Christ in the Holy Eucharist, the visual aspect to it is just that of bread or wine, and there is no audio aspect to it, and that’s all you get on a video, making it pointless.
For education purposes or simply hearing the readings.*]What about a Mass that’s televised - why bother watching?
Perhaps, in that case there is an audio aspect to it which can be heard over the radio. There is no audio aspect or visual aspect to Christ’s real presence in the Holy Eucharist.*]What about a priestly blessing issued over the radio, like Catholic Answers often has - is that in any way effective?
Don’t know, you should be able to work it out depending on the scenario using common sense given what I’ve mentioned. It can only be valid in as much as there is a visual or audio aspect to it. Since visual and audio is all you get on a video.*]What if the Mass/blessing is pre-recorded vs. live?
I hope this has helped
God Bless You
Thank you for reading
Josh
Tis_Bearself
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Regarding why watch a broadcast Mass, you said
Regarding the priestly blessing, you said
Regarding pre-recorded blessings, you said
This is not entirely correct as the bishops’ guidance (posted in previous post) make clear that watching a broadcast Mass, while not the same as attending in person, is a form of prayer intended to allow people who cannot get to physical Mass to be able to participate in some way in the Mass.For education purposes or simply hearing the readings.
Regarding the priestly blessing, you said
The Church has stated quite clearly that the Pope’s Urbi et Orbi blessing can be conferred live over radio, TV, internet and other communication technologies, per above sources. Opinion is divided for live blessings that come from priests other than the Pope, see above sources.Perhaps, in that case there is an audio aspect to it which can be heard over the radio.
Regarding pre-recorded blessings, you said
The Church also seems to be quite clear on the fact that a pre-recorded blessing, including by the Pope, does not convey the actual blessing, since you are not “present” even virtually when the priest is giving the actual blessing; you may get some grace from participating in the prayer (for example by crossing yourself) but you do not get the blessing. See above sources.Don’t know, you should be able to work it out depending on the scenario using common sense given what I’ve mentioned. It can only be valid in as much as there is a visual or audio aspect to it. Since visual and audio is all you get on a video.
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ItTakesAllKinds
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I don’t have any idea, but it reminds me of people who watch the perpetual yule log burning on the local TV channel on Christmas day. That or those who watch the fireworks on TV.
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