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I think the mother has some legitimate concerns about her daughter’s health and who is going to care for her because her daughter is unable to and her son-in-law is training in the military. What if her son-in-law is sent overseas?

It doesn’t sound like the son-in-law will take care of his wife’s health; the mother stated that he said he is going to use the money earned towards paying the student loans he racked up and his wife’s parents are going to be stuck paying any healthcare bills.

Can’t her daughter get Obamacare and then she could get a ride to the doctor or hospital? It might possibly even pay for a caretaker to come out.

I kind of wonder what type of husband the son-in-law is?

Does he go to Mass? Does he participate in the Sacraments?

There’s something that sounds kind of off about this guy. Why the resentful attitude if they helped him out financially with $4,000?

And just because someone becomes a soldier and is issued a gun by Uncle Sam and wears a uniform doesn’t necessarily mean he’s now a dutiful spouse to her daughter or somebody who is personally great.

Was the daughter disabled before the marriage or did she become disabled after she got married?

I think they need to figure out how the daughter’s health is going to be cared for now and talk about that and figure it out before they leave and have a conversation and do so without all of the attitude this guy is giving the parents.
 
I have problems similar to your daughter’s. For the fibro, I utilize a chiropractor for spinal alignment, then go from there with the symptoms. Magnesium Malate with 12 ounces of orange juice at bedtime helps, as well. A daily nap goes a long way. The asthma and heart problems may be related. If she can walk for an hour a day, in more than one session, if necessary, that would be most helpful.

Ask St. Gilbert of Sempringham for assistance with your son-in-law. St. Gilbert did everything for a young man named Ogger, who became one of the lay brothers of the Order of Sempringham. Ogger then led a campaign against St. Gilbert that went to the pope. St. Gilbert and Ogger eventually reconciled.

Men are funny when it comes to someone providing everything for them. I guess it’s ego that gets in the way. Some don’t know how to accept gifts.

“She couldn’t tutor an elementary student,” is crass arrogance in my view from here. I am not in the situation, and therefore cannot read the vibes in the room, or see his body language. Do you have sacramentals? Have you a St. Benedict or Miraculous Medals blessed for exorcism? Sounds like you need one. Simple holy water being sprinkled through the house would be a help at this juncture.

You’re doing what needs to be done, but 8 hours away seems a little extreme. Have your daughter do some homework as to resources available. Is she on spouse’s benefits? I would go that route if she isn’t until the man’s job can be found.

The military may be a tonic in this situation. The daughter could possibly live at home with you if he gets sent overseas. The boy does sound like he has problems. Pray the “Three Very Beautiful Prayers” for him, even though he isn’t dying. Also pray the Chaplet of Divine Mercy, and you’ll be able to start seeing his problems instead of your own.

There’s also a book called “Service Etiquette”. He could get a head-start.

HTH

Blessings,
Cloisters
 
When a person gets married, they are supposed to leave their parents behind and cleave to their spouse, in good times and bad. It’s very nice that you helped them out to begin their marriage journey…
Tlif your daughter cannot take care of herself due to a permanent disability there are options to getting her daily help. This may be through her husbands health insurance or through social security.
I hope this helps settle your mind regarding the care aspect.
 
I can feel your concern for your daughter’s well being coming “through the screen” of my computer. May God bless you for caring so much about her and her well being. Also, I would imagine your SIL is appreciative of your generosity but it has to be hard also for him to be in the situation he is in as well dependent on you for financial assistance.

I hope you can step out on a limb and give him a chance as he tries to provide for his family now in this new way. Your support for both of them can go a long way to helping make their new situation work.

It appears from the many posts there are some real positive aspects to the service regarding loan repayment and good health care that would help your daughter.

I will keep you and yours in my prayers.

Mary.
 
I agree with other posters that your daughter and SIL sound like they have a tremendous amount of resources and opportunities going for them. Your disdain for SIL’s video game hobby aside, there is no doubt that if he was able to get a law degree and license, he must have something going on upstairs. If your daughter has also completed a degree, I’m pretty sure she can manage to crawl her way to the yellow pages to find the phone number for the local cab company or get whatever resources she needs to live in reasonable safety and comfort. Fibermalaygia is a very difficult disease and I’m sure you have been a diligent parent in providing your daughter with the support she’s needed to get through her medical issues. Are you certain that in the process you haven’t made her so dependent on you that you can’t accept the idea that anyone else could possibly take care of her, or that she could possibly take care of herself? If I were in your situation, I would use the time before their moving to help your daughter collect information and support she needs to be successful in her new environment and encourage her that she is competent and capable for this new adventure. What I really think you should avoid is trying to mediate between her and her husband. If she really doesn’t want to go, especially after looking at the information and resources available in the area, then SHE needs to talk to him, not ask you to pray for a miracle. I think you should stop giving them money. It seems to come with strings attached and that’s not good for your relationship with them or their relationship with one another.
 
As it was happening to us we couldn’t understand why and said nothing trying to give him time and just prayed about his attitude toward us for 7months. I never spoke negatively to my daughter about her spouse. We did suggest he go get any job to get them some savings for when they leave. That did not happen. And in hindsight to everyone it looks that plan.B was most likely plan.A all along. I have told my daughter it’s not our life or our decision what they do and since we aren’t included in the conversation of her future that it is up to her to talk to her husband and get answers on what the plans for her health were. She did get him to ask his mother just Thursday if she could take care of her if needed and when I was told she will be on call, I felt a huge relief and did my best to comfort her. I looked up things on the internet with her to see where she is going. I feel I have gone above and beyond. The $ we have given have no strings. Our daughter became ill after their marriage and is very sad situation. I am helpless from here on and have only insured she has a good start the best I can. We do feel he is manipulating her illness for his financial security but regardless there is nothing we have said or can do about it without my daughter feeling hurt. He knows we will never let her suffer. I can’t just show up on moving day and start therapy programs by spending his money. It has to be my daughter to do that and she is too timid to insure her health doesn’t deteriorate.
As for the questions of their spirituality, we are Catholic and he is episcopalian. He had always gone to church with us when he was around, the 3yrs he was away he did not go to church unless his mother insisted or else I visited they came with me. Now he goes to his church rarely but because of his mother. She was very against him marrying a Catholic. My daughter hurts too much to be in church. She reads her bible daily and watches mass on tv but I can’t do anymore for either of them but pray for them. They are adults, I can’t do anymore.

This situation is terrible. I still love my son in law and pray so much for them both. I only want to know how to move forward now that this has been done in such a disrespectful way to us.

I hope to be able to say no next time he wants $. Now that he has a job I’m sure medical bills can be financed by him. He will go on to be a high paid lawyer in future and can pay his own way from here on out without using up our future. My life will not end and I don’t plan on curling up in grief. I’m only sad hurt and concerned for my daughter and what a future relationship will be like between us all.
 
Yes it’s difficult to have a child move far away. I have been saying this in a lot of posts lately…the best gift you can give your daughter and son in law is the ability of living independent of you. of course you will be there for serious matters however they need to learn how to fly solo.
Your son in law perhaps has many things on his mind right now and to show trust will help. You can also show your daughter that there is nothing to fear about change and she has many who love her and you will be a phone call away to offer emotional support for both her and her husband.
 
As it was happening to us we couldn’t understand why and said nothing trying to give him time and just prayed about his attitude toward us for 7months. I never spoke negatively to my daughter about her spouse. We did suggest he go get any job to get them some savings for when they leave. That did not happen. And in hindsight to everyone it looks that plan.B was most likely plan.A all along. I have told my daughter it’s not our life or our decision what they do and since we aren’t included in the conversation of her future that it is up to her to talk to her husband and get answers on what the plans for her health were. She did get him to ask his mother just Thursday if she could take care of her if needed and when I was told she will be on call, I felt a huge relief and did my best to comfort her. I looked up things on the internet with her to see where she is going. I feel I have gone above and beyond. The $ we have given have no strings. Our daughter became ill after their marriage and is very sad situation. I am helpless from here on and have only insured she has a good start the best I can. We do feel he is manipulating her illness for his financial security but regardless there is nothing we have said or can do about it without my daughter feeling hurt. He knows we will never let her suffer. I can’t just show up on moving day and start therapy programs by spending his money. It has to be my daughter to do that and she is too timid to insure her health doesn’t deteriorate.
As for the questions of their spirituality, we are Catholic and he is episcopalian. He had always gone to church with us when he was around, the 3yrs he was away he did not go to church unless his mother insisted or else I visited they came with me. Now he goes to his church rarely but because of his mother. She was very against him marrying a Catholic. My daughter hurts too much to be in church. She reads her bible daily and watches mass on tv but I can’t do anymore for either of them but pray for them. They are adults, I can’t do anymore.

This situation is terrible. I still love my son in law and pray so much for them both. I only want to know how to move forward now that this has been done in such a disrespectful way to us.

I hope to be able to say no next time he wants $. Now that he has a job I’m sure medical bills can be financed by him. He will go on to be a high paid lawyer in future and can pay his own way from here on out without using up our future. My life will not end and I don’t plan on curling up in grief. I’m only sad hurt and concerned for my daughter and what a future relationship will be like between us all.
I think that your expectations were a little off from the start. When someone goes through such an intensive program such as law school. Sure, they may start their job search to try to find a job locally, but if no one happens to hire them locally…then they branch out beyond what is local. Nothing was available for him locally, that does not mean that he now has to resign himself to finding a job completely unrelated to his field and degree (a walmart cashier, a landscaper). It may not have been the best advice and expectation on your part to just have him resign himself to accepting a job that is totally unrelated to his career, just so they can stay local. That’s illogical. The logical thing to do in this situation would be to search for opportunities in his field beyond your local community. He waited 7 months to expand his job search horizons beyond what is local, if it was me or my husband I probably would have waited only 4 weeks before we started encouraging each other to look for something farther away.
 
As it was happening to us we couldn’t understand why and said nothing trying to give him time and just prayed about his attitude toward us for 7months. I never spoke negatively to my daughter about her spouse. We did suggest he go get any job to get them some savings for when they leave. That did not happen. And in hindsight to everyone it looks that plan.B was most likely plan.A all along. I have told my daughter it’s not our life or our decision what they do and since we aren’t included in the conversation of her future that it is up to her to talk to her husband and get answers on what the plans for her health were. She did get him to ask his mother just Thursday if she could take care of her if needed and when I was told she will be on call, I felt a huge relief and did my best to comfort her. I looked up things on the internet with her to see where she is going. I feel I have gone above and beyond. The $ we have given have no strings. Our daughter became ill after their marriage and is very sad situation. I am helpless from here on and have only insured she has a good start the best I can. We do feel he is manipulating her illness for his financial security but regardless there is nothing we have said or can do about it without my daughter feeling hurt. He knows we will never let her suffer. I can’t just show up on moving day and start therapy programs by spending his money. It has to be my daughter to do that and she is too timid to insure her health doesn’t deteriorate.
As for the questions of their spirituality, we are Catholic and he is episcopalian. He had always gone to church with us when he was around, the 3yrs he was away he did not go to church unless his mother insisted or else I visited they came with me. Now he goes to his church rarely but because of his mother. She was very against him marrying a Catholic. My daughter hurts too much to be in church. She reads her bible daily and watches mass on tv but I can’t do anymore for either of them but pray for them. They are adults, I can’t do anymore.

This situation is terrible. I still love my son in law and pray so much for them both. I only want to know how to move forward now that this has been done in such a disrespectful way to us.

I hope to be able to say no next time he wants $. Now that he has a job I’m sure medical bills can be financed by him. He will go on to be a high paid lawyer in future and can pay his own way from here on out without using up our future. My life will not end and I don’t plan on curling up in grief. I’m only sad hurt and concerned for my daughter and what a future relationship will be like between us all.
I would not be so sure he’s going to wind up with a high-paying position, as the law is a notoriously competitive field. Law grads who fail to pass the bar exam actually tend to do a bit worse than graduates with only a bachelor’s degree for the first five years or so, although they do tend to catch up and do better eventually. Even those who pass the bar exam, though, don’t have a median salary as far above the median salary of those with only bachelor’s degrees as people imagine. It can take many years of career advancement before they get into the salary range that people imagine lawyers make.

Yes, I think it is time to pay bills having to do with your daughter’s health directly (or transportation to see you or electronic access to communicate with you and others she holds dear), and after that direct your son-in-law who is no longer a student to take out loans from a lending institution if he and your daughter need money. You have given them a great deal with no strings attached, it is time to draw a line, and his attainment of a law degree is a reasonable time to draw it.

If he talks to your daughter in the contemptuous way you describe, their marriage is headed towards the rocks. Since your daughter has time on her hands, you might want to give her books such as those written by John Gottman, so she can learn what kind of communication to accept or not accept. You are right; she needs some help in advocating for herself. She needs some way to be in contact with her support system outside her new home–not just you, but her friends and other relatives, too. I think I’d concentrate on that.

The other thing to do is to take care of yourself. Of course this is upsetting. Don’t try to beat yourself into not being upset about it. Try to get in a place where you can put it in God’s hands, take one day at a time, and follow the Serenity Prayer path of doing what you can do and accepting what you can’t. That is a classic prayer for those who have found they are powerless over the evils in this world, and between that and the prayers that meditate on the Passion, it is among those things that helps us to align ourselves with God in a way that makes enduring such a situation possible.

*God, give me grace to accept with serenity
the things that cannot be changed,
Courage to change the things
which should be changed,
and the Wisdom to distinguish
the one from the other.

Living one day at a time,
Enjoying one moment at a time,
Accepting hardship as a pathway to peace,
Taking, as Jesus did,
This sinful world as it is,
Not as I would have it,
Trusting that You will make all things right,
If I surrender to Your will,
So that I may be reasonably happy in this life,
And supremely happy with You forever in the next.
Amen.*
 
We only suggested he get any job to pay his own 4$k of bills so far. There are more bills coming until he is enlisted and paid…While he is online searching and playing video games. My husband told him we don’t mind helping as long as he could try to help himself. At least to work somewhere while waiting on his planB. The law job search could have been anywhere they chose as a married couple for their future and her health and not be mandated to my daughter that the government now has control over where she will be over the next 4 years. His mother knowing the plans he is making before his own wife is even told, seals for me the reality that if his own wife is so out the conversation that I definitely have no way any expectations. I don’t expect anything from him from here on and the only thing I ever did before was, respect. That also is gone. It is done.
How do I react to him from here on if I don’t trust him and lost all respect.

Thank you so very much to those here for the advice of certain prayers and saints. I have already started those and they are of comfort. I do have statues and icons of Mary, the Holy Family, St. Benedict. I have been praying fervently to St.Pio and St.Jude as well as chaplet of mercy. Thank you for the prayers and advice. I also take to heart the criticisms and give mercy as best I can.
 
I’m sorry, I would like to offer a very different take on this, and I respectfully think WillyAl is way, way off base.
How is WillyAL way, way off base?

Realistically, you don’t just stroll into a recruiting office and say, “I’m here to join the JAG Corps. When do I leave?” For the vast majority of the JAG officers I worked with, being a judge advocate was “Plan A.”
 
Keep the lines of communication with your daughter open. If you sense he is isolating her, then encourage her to come for a visit with you. Make it known that no matter what your door is always open and if she needs you.
 
You don’t seem to have anything positive to say about him. I would also hold the opinion that he didn’t obtain his law qualification and pass the bar by just playing computer games. There must be something that your daughter sees in him. If they want to move, it’s up to them. She is his wife now and the decision is theirs. It looks like there are good prospects of a career in the military if what some people have posted is true.

I would say it’s time to let go. This is life. The responsibility to care for her in ill health is primarily his, as the wedding vows say. You risk alienating your daughter and her husband by interfering too much in their lives and criticizing her husband.

No matter what financial help you gave them it’s still their decision to move. You can’t give financial help with the proviso that they never move away.
 
It’s been 7months since he is here not a student, no longer studying for the bar, with bills to pay and a wife to care for. Plenty of jobs he could’ve taken before my husband had to insist he go to the employment agency. We did not sign up for him sitting around playing video games all day long while we pay every bill and care for his wife. It’s overdue for him to adult now. If HE not us, wants so badly to stay near us then why disrespect and take advantage of us then expect everyone to be happy to be near him or trust him ever again.
His plan B is coming to full picture now and all is well in his world except that we now feel used and trampled on. He could take her wherever she agrees to for all I care so long as they have a plan to keep her healthy and not be “kept” like a housecat or call on me to pay the bills or drive 8hours to go through this all over again for 4 years or however long. We wished better for our daughter and expected some respect from him not arrogance and laziness under our roof squeezing our savings. None of this is changeable. What’s done is done. It is their life. I’m not keeping them from going.
I’m just not happy being around him at all and only wanted advice on how to get past this for the future of our family.
 
You don’t seem to have anything positive to say about him. I would also hold the opinion that he didn’t obtain his law qualification and pass the bar by just playing computer games. There must be something that your daughter sees in him. If they want to move, it’s up to them. She is his wife now and the decision is theirs. It looks like there are good prospects of a career in the military if what some people have posted is true.

I would say it’s time to let go. This is life. The responsibility to care for her in ill health is primarily his, as the wedding vows say. You risk alienating your daughter and her husband by interfering too much in their lives and criticizing her husband.

No matter what financial help you gave them it’s still their decision to move. You can’t give financial help with the proviso that they never move away.
Health care in the US is not set up so that the finances of a young couple starting out can necessarily handle a catastrophic and debilitating illness.

You can give financial help with any proviso you like, provided you give the recipient the chance to take it or leave it up front. Prudence usually argues against giving to in-laws with too many strings attached (save to require them to sign real loan papers or at least paperwork to ensure that the money will be paid back to the estate if it is not paid back before the parents die), but it’s a moot point here. That was not done and it is unlikely that it will be done now.

Respect for marriage vows does not require people to refrain from making certain that married family members are not isolated from their social circle by their spouses. Spouses do not have carte blanche to act like sociopaths, and they shouldn’t feel entitled to have that.
 
It’s been 7months since he is here not a student, no longer studying for the bar, with bills to pay and a wife to care for. Plenty of jobs he could’ve taken before my husband had to insist he go to the employment agency. We did not sign up for him sitting around playing video games all day long while we pay every bill and care for his wife. It’s overdue for him to adult now. If HE not us, wants so badly to stay near us then why disrespect and take advantage of us then expect everyone to be happy to be near him or trust him ever again.
His plan B is coming to full picture now and all is well in his world except that we now feel used and trampled on. He could take her wherever she agrees to for all I care so long as they have a plan to keep her healthy and not be “kept” like a housecat or call on me to pay the bills or drive 8 hours to go through this all over again for 4 years or however long. We wished better for our daughter and expected some respect from him not arrogance and laziness under our roof squeezing our savings. None of this is changeable. What’s done is done. It is their life. I’m not keeping them from going.
I’m just not happy being around him at all and only wanted advice on how to get past this for the future of our family.
Ok, for a start it really isn’t your or your husbands place to tell him to go down to the employment agency. He’s not your son. If you feel like this then perhaps you should not offer any more financial support. I can understand that you want the best for your daughter but you seem to be coming across as completely negative about this guy. Nobody is all bad. I would challenge you to think of a few good qualities or things that your daughter might see in him. That could help you to see him in a different light maybe.
 
My husband did not want to pay his bills and he has no job. Why would we not have a right to tell him go get a job if he’s taking money and living under my roof? It’s either say you need an income or else you need to leave… Where would my disabled daughter have gone? He couldn’t have left with her to his parents because they don’t pay anything for him.
 
What does your daughter think of moving with the military? What does your daughter think about his plan to join the military? What is your daughter’s plan for her treatment, transportation, and care?

You haven’t really communicated anything on this thread regarding your daughter’s plans. While she is physically limited, she isn’t incapacitated or mentally incompetent. She needs to advocate for herself, her treatment, and what SHE wants-- with her husband and her doctors.
 
My husband did not want to pay his bills and he has no job. Why would we not have a right to tell him go get a job if he’s taking money and living under my roof? It’s either say you need an income or else you need to leave… Where would my disabled daughter have gone? He couldn’t have left with her to his parents because they don’t pay anything for him.
Well he seems to want to move and has some sort of plan for caring for his wife. You do seem to be a bit resistant to the suggestion that he might be trying to do good by her.

And someone said it already but I’m a student myself. I’m also working and saving for my wedding in October. Sometimes with study five days a week and work the other two, you need to just zone out with exercise or computer games or some form of mindless escapism.
 
He couldn’t have left with her to his parents because they don’t pay anything for him.
I think This would have probably been a better approach to the situation. The couple may have left the area and gotten a job a lot sooner had they not been so easily handed money. It would have forced him to become self-reliant a lot sooner…they have, afterall, been married for 7 years. So yes stop giving money. Let your daughter move away with her husband. And let go of your bitterness
 
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