Adult daughter want to be a nun...wrong reasons?

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My daughter has always been troubled, begging at around 14 she became depressed. It was difficult but she still managed to maintain grades and survive high school. I hoped that with college better times would come for her.

When she was 13 she wanted to be a catholic. At the time I was against this and told her to wait until she was an adult and hoped it was just a phase. When she was 18 she told us she was going to RCIA classes and that she hoped we still loved her but she needed to do this. She became catholic the summer after HS graduation.

Into college we grew closee. However nothing could prepare her for the depression that would return a few semesters into college. For over a year she spent every day in misery. She called me daily crying. Some days she was unable to get up from bed. She somehow managed to maintain decent grades s. She tried several medications over the course of 2 years and saw numerous therapists. She was diagnosed with sever, recurrent depression.

Said she needed to tell me the real reason she was depressed. She told me that as a child she had been sexually abused for a long time. This family member is a known sexual offender who went to prison about a year ago for raping his own daughter. The extent of his abuse to our daughter and other children was very bad - keeping them in a cage, forcing them to perform sexual acts on each other and other adults, being burned with cigarettes. She endured this from the time she was young, and was later raped on multiple instances by the same relative in HS. She had been afraid at the time and couldn’t tell. She had become VERY guilty when she discovered her younger cousin had been abused and raped by this person. She felt that if she had been more honest she could have spared the other girl pain.

By october was suicidal and had made 2 attempts. After recovering she promised she would never attempt suicide again. She said that she had accepted the fact her life was not meant to be happy, but if God has allowed her to survive two suicide attempts he must want her to live for some reason and would try her best to keep going. She has not attempted self harm or suicide again but I believe this has made her depression even worse. She says that now that suicide is not an option, she feels even more trapped. In december she reluctantly tried shock therapy. She has recieve this treatment twice but by mid december had steadily slipped into deeper depression.

She spent the holidays alone but began talking to us a little more toward mid january and by the end of january seemed almost happy. I noticed how much better she seemed - she was saying how excited she was for the new school semester, telling us about the things she was doing with her friends, discussing her new job as a tour guide on campus. I thought to myself, “she seems almost cured” but didn’t want to jinx it by asking her about her depression. However about a week ago I brought it up. Here is a basic rundown of the conversation…

*Me: You seem to be doing so well! do you know what has helped so much?

Daughter: I’m taking it slow and every so often I’ll have a bad moment or day. For the first time in years I am honestly happy. I wanted to talk to you about this but not sure how you’ll react.

Me: what do you mean?

D: I thought depression was my burden and my cross I was supposed to bear for God. I never asked him to take it away.

Me: Ok…

D: The suicidal thoughts came back. Don’t freak out! I went to my priest and told him everything. He said asked ‘have you tried asking God to lift this burden from you?’ I didn’t want to ask because I thought it was selfish. But one night it got so bad I just broke down and begged God to take away my depression. It was ruining my life. I told God that I wanted to badly to do his will in my life but with this depression I could never fufill his purpose or help others. So I begged him to take it away and promised that if he did I would try my very best to discover his will for met. I think his will for me is to be a nun. I’ve thought about it for a few years but I have been thinking more seriously about it. I am not jumping into it, though.

Me: What? Why do you think that is gods will?

D: I knew that if my depression continued I would never finish school, have a stable job. my friendships were crumbling. I would never have been able to have a healthy relationship or be a responsible wife or mother. I told God that if he were to remove the depression, which would allow me to finish school, start a career, and have healthy relationships, I would pursue the possibility of a religious vocation. I told him that if it was his will I was willing to sacrifice the idea of getting married someday, since that was something I would never do successfully under my curent circumstances. I asked that if it was his will I get married that he still guide me to the right husband so I know, but that if it wasn’t he would help me be more and more sure about becoming a nun.

Me: So what does this mean? Are you sure.

D: I’m not 100% sure I’m going to be a nun, but its a possibility. I am going to pray about it and talk to nuns and priests and learn about it. I’m going to finish college as planned. I can be a teacher as a nun or layperson. After college I hope to have a better idea of what God wants me to do. But right now I want to you to know I am seriously discerning a religious vocation and waiting to see what come of it - I have to keep my promise. *

On one hand I am happy. She seems so stable and calm. She is no longer on medication. She continues going to therapy. However I feel she has made the decision to pursue a religious vocation for the wrong reasons. What is her depression was cured simply because she believed it would be and God doesn’t really want her to be a nun? Could she be having some sort of mental problem different from depression? Just looking for some insight and advice!
 
I don’t see any warning flags about her reasons. When God calls us to a vocation, he does so through joy, not regret, so it is fitting that the depression in her life would cede. A person might not know precisely what they are meant to do, but everybody is universally called to holiness, and that seemed to be her stated reasons for why she wanted her depression to go away.
 
Honestly, I hope this thread is saved for the next 100+ years. It brought tears to my eyes. Your daughter sounds like a Saint in the making. Many of the Saints (not all or most, but many) have experienced trauma during their lives. Sometimes the trauma your daughter experienced can make it very difficult for a person to have a spouse. A calling to serve God might be her “cure.”

However, rest assured, that the nuns will make sure this is right for her before having her take her final vows.

May God Bless you and your daughter.
 
On one hand I am happy. She seems so stable and calm. She is no longer on medication. She continues going to therapy. However I feel she has made the decision to pursue a religious vocation for the wrong reasons. What is her depression was cured simply because she believed it would be and God doesn’t really want her to be a nun? Could she be having some sort of mental problem different from depression? Just looking for some insight and advice!
Since she is continually having therapy, and I’m assuming all is going well with it, I’d say your daughter is probably well. Or at least she sounds that way.

But when it comes to religious life, though, a person really needs to have that desire in their heart to serve God, fully and completely, without holding anything back. And if she feels that desire in her heart, then she definitely needs to look further into the possibility of being a nun.

Anyway, I hope all goes well with u and your daughter. God bless! 🙂
 
You’re daughter has a serious mental illness. Catholic religious orders will not accept people with serious mental illness, since they don’t last long in vocation because they can’t function on many days.

There is no cure for long term, deep depression. Exercise and medication may help the person cope with it, but it will most likely be a life long struggle.
 
These days, who allegedly doesn’t?

St Therese wouldn’t have become a sister either then. Religious orders look for chronic problems that would be detrimental. A depressed childhood isn’t going to be an automatic exclusion for the rest of her life.
 
You’re daughter has a serious mental illness. Catholic religious orders will not accept people with serious mental illness, since they don’t last long in vocation because they can’t function on many days.

There is no cure for long term, deep depression. Exercise and medication may help the person cope with it, but it will most likely be a life long struggle.
Perhaps we should let the religious orders decide for themselves.
 
Perhaps we should let the religious orders decide for themselves.
I’m familiar with the vetting process of most Catholic orders. Since this is the adult child’s mother it is best to be up front with her about practices of Catholic Religious orders when it comes to the acceptance of seriously mental ill prospects.
 
Entering a religious order is not that simple. Many do require psychological testing to prevent persons with serious mental disorders from entering. Even if some passes the psychological testing, there is still a period of discernment (anywhere from 3-8 years) which during anytime the person can be told to leave the order as it doesn’t appear they have a religious vocation.

It takes BOTH sides to come to a mutual agreement that a true “calling” exists; it is not a unilateral decision on the part of the inquirer.
 
discernment takes a while, lots of prayer, and a close relationship with Christ. Entering a religious community is not instant. The Benedictine monks takes 7 year to take final vows. There is a stage of postulate, novice, temporary vows, and then final vows. Both the person and the religious community discern the vocation. Both could say No if the vocation is not right during any of that time. I know for me to enter seminary I did a psychological evaluation, a visit to the seminary, meeting with the bishop and vocation director. I would encourage her to try, visit several communities. Talking with a spiritual director will help uncover the true reasons for entering, and I have seen seminarians enter for the wrong reason but realize they were called and find the correct reason. Peace would be the defining term I would use to describe knowing you are in the right vocation. Just ask if she has a deep interior peace after she is in a community for a while and she will know.
 
Your daughter sounds very realistic in her approach to this vocation. She is not running into this blindly and seems like she has given it thought. The process is not a quick one, and there are steps along the way. She desires to serve. I would encourage her in the process. and leave the discernment process to the vocation director. They know what they are doing, and also know how to introduce alternatives such a secular orders so every opportunity is presented in the decision process.

Again the most important thing is that your daughter feels a calling to serve.

Best wishes and prayers for your daughter.
 
Mom of Convert,
It does not sound like your daughter is “pursuing” a vocation but “discerning” or investigating whether this is God’s will for her. Her attitude seems very balanced.

Those involved in the discernment process are trained to help young people figure out what is right for them. They are not trying to “sell” a vocation or trick anyone into it or anything like that.

Think of it like this: a convent has to live with the new person. They want people they can live with 🙂 They don’t want someone who will end up being unhappy in the convent because all the rest of the people in the convent will also be miserable.

Pray for your daughter; she seems to be doing really well.
 
You’re daughter has a serious mental illness. Catholic religious orders will not accept people with serious mental illness, since they don’t last long in vocation because they can’t function on many days.

There is no cure for long term, deep depression. Exercise and medication may help the person cope with it, but it will most likely be a life long struggle.
As Catholics, we believe that God can cure people.

Additionally, the depression this girl suffered seems to have been a perfectly normal reaction to a horrible situation. To me, that’s a different sort of problem from a more organic depression which does not have a precipitating cause.
 
Me: What? Why do you think that is gods will?

D: I knew that if my depression continued I would never finish school, have a stable job. my friendships were crumbling. I would never have been able to have a healthy relationship or be a responsible wife or mother. I told God that if he were to remove the depression, which would allow me to finish school, start a career, and have healthy relationships, I would pursue the possibility of a religious vocation. I told him that if it was his will I was willing to sacrifice the idea of getting married someday, since that was something I would never do successfully under my curent circumstances. I asked that if it was his will I get married that he still guide me to the right husband so I know, but that if it wasn’t he would help me be more and more sure about becoming a nun.

Me: So what does this mean? Are you sure.

D: I’m not 100% sure I’m going to be a nun, but its a possibility. I am going to pray about it and talk to nuns and priests and learn about it. I’m going to finish college as planned. I can be a teacher as a nun or layperson. After college I hope to have a better idea of what God wants me to do. But right now I want to you to know I am seriously discerning a religious vocation and waiting to see what come of it - I have to keep my promise.
On one hand I am happy. She seems so stable and calm. She is no longer on medication. She continues going to therapy. However I feel she has made the decision to pursue a religious vocation for the wrong reasons. What is her depression was cured simply because she believed it would be and God doesn’t really want her to be a nun? Could she be having some sort of mental problem different from depression? Just looking for some insight and advice!

Let me preface this by saying I’ve spent the past two years thinking about the priesthood, winding up dating the girl of my dreams, and breaking up with her to apply for the priesthood.

To be honest, your daughter does sound like she may have a vocation to me. Yes, there’s a part of me that maybe wonders if she’s using it as a form of “escape”, but (going by your description) it doesn’t seem like it. I wouldn’t say it’s a newly manifested mental issue.

I’m actually more interested in the fact that she’s “not 100% sure”. I always worry about the ones that are 100% sure; they often end up finding that it’s not for them. Heading over to the vocations forum, you’ll find the more serious posts are often a diatribe on the struggles of figure out whether or not one is “being called” to a certain form of life.

Rest assured, I will be praying for you and your daughter.
 
Entering a religious order is not that simple. Many do require psychological testing to prevent persons with serious mental disorders from entering. **Even if some passes the psychological testing, there is still a period of discernment (anywhere from 3-8 years) which during anytime the person can be told to leave the order as it doesn’t appear they have a religious vocation.
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It takes BOTH sides to come to a mutual agreement that a true “calling” exists; it is not a unilateral decision on the part of the inquirer.
I think given this history that you have a legitimate cause for concern. You’re right that she needs to go into this for the right reasons. I hope she will be very honest with them, tell them her history. Even if she doesn’t, it’s my understanding it’s not easy to always be accepted. I’ve seen some on the forum who were rejected and heartbroken.

I believe that during those years of discernment that if this depression persists that they will begin to see it.

In any case, I will include your family in my prayers.

May God’s will be done.
 
You’re daughter has a serious mental illness. Catholic religious orders will not accept people with serious mental illness, since they don’t last long in vocation because they can’t function on many days.
There is no cure for long term, deep depression. Exercise and medication may help the person cope with it, but it will most likely be a life long struggle.
I’m not denying the truth in this. However is there a difference between a chemical imbalance causing a mental illness or a trauma causing mental illness? She is in close contact with a vocation director (I think i have the word right), our local priest, and several nuns locally. All are aware of her struggle with depression but have never voiced this as a concern for her not being able to enter religious life. They have noted that even with depression she never dropped out of college or failed to make the deans list every semester. One of the nuns she is close too has shared her own experiences with depression, as well. They seem to think that what my daughter has been through and the healing she seems to have recieved will make her an even better nun (whcih admitadly scares me a bit!). However, no one has given any indication that she would be turned away due to this situation, and all are fully aware of it. This post is the first I’m hearing about it…but thank you.
 
There is a long period of discernment for the religious life for just this reason. Provided she is being honest with her superiors, there is no reason to believe that life in a community of women would not be a mutually happy situation for her and her fellow sisters. She can live with a group of people who know her well and accept her in her totality, both her gifts and her crosses. She, being able to carry on her life even in the face of her trials, is in a position to support them in their difficulties, too. It could work, and I would not be afraid to explore it as an option.

I say this particularly because she has not chosen the religious life as a place to hide, but is still open to God leading her to marriage, instead. She has only promised God that she will consider the religious life, not that she will do it as a way to hide from men. That is what I find the good sign in all of this.
 
As I read your daughter’s story I felt some optimism at the end. I have a family member, a male, who was also abused as a child and has spent his entire adult life plagued with depression, anxiety, inability to hold a job, compulsive eating, obesity, smoking, the list goes on and on. He’s tried everything also including shock therapy. He is in his forties now and we just all feel hopeless, that at this point what else is there to try? He held back on sharing his story for many, many years and only recently told his wife and mother that it ever happened.

So if your daughter is starting to feel a breakthrough, can talk about her history, has a clear head to face therapy, then I would be pretty comfortable with letting her discern her vocation too. She has been patient to convert, didnt give up and walk away when you asked her to graduate high school first.

Also, I can kind of see the concept of being a nun has a comfort level for someone who was so badly abused. Not that this would be a primary motive, but that as an additional benefit she will never have to think of someone being intimate with her again. I think it’s a wonderful fit for her actually 🙂 let her know we are praying for her! And you too, mom!
 
There is a long period of discernment for the religious life for just this reason. Provided she is being honest with her superiors, there is no reason to believe that life in a community of women would not be a mutually happy situation for her and her fellow sisters. She can live with a group of people who know her well and accept her in her totality, both her gifts and her crosses. She, being able to carry on her life even in the face of her trials, is in a position to support them in their difficulties, too. It could work, and I would not be afraid to explore it as an option.
I say this particularly because she has not chosen the religious life as a place to hide, but is still open to God leading her to marriage, instead. She has only promised God that she will consider the religious life, not that she will do it as a way to hide from men. That is what I find the good sign in all of this.
Thank you. I was worried that she might be using this as an “escape” from men. However, she’s never exhibited an irrational fear of men. Despite the abuse she has many positive male influences in her life. Several of her closest friends are wonderful kind young men, any of whom I would have been happy to see her form romantic relationships with someday if that was what she wanted. She has had relationships with men in the past and they have seemed healthy. She has very good taste in men, I’ve personally known most of her dates (many she knew in High School and atteneded the same college) and they have all been respectful. She feared that her being depressed would eventually create a burden on the man she married if it did not go away. Now that she is feeling better she has told me that she has not closed herself off to marriage. She feels that if her recovery proves permanant she would have no problem maintaining a sucesfull relationship and eventual marriage, however she feels she needs to make good on her promise and at least consider the possibility of becoming a nun. Right now she has decided to hold off on dating, both to secure her recovery and to help discern, according to what she says.
 
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