Advent Wreath, 4000 Years

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Just tonight I learned that each candle on the Advent Wreath represents 1000 years, for a total of 4000 years between Adam and Eve and the first coming of Jesus.
Given the fact that the Catholic Church allows it’s faithful to believe in evolution, if they so choose, (and I do), then does the Church believe that 4000 year time span from Adam and Eve to Christ is not literal, or…what, exactly? :confused:
 
from whom did you learn this?

there are many legends and traditions (small t) associated with Advent. that is not one I have heard, and certainlynot anything you are required to believe.
 
Does anyone know of a reputable site that addresses this?
Maybe go to the Vatican website, put “advent wreath” in the search box and whatever you find will be the actual Church position on it. Anything else you can discard as cultural practice or internet mythology.
 
One of the sites frankly calls it a “tradiion” - small t. I’ve never heard of it, but there are tons of traditions & legends around Advent & Christmas things. I carry on the lost cause of informing people that the 12 days of Christmas song has absolutely nothing to do with persecution of Catholics. 🤷
 
i’ve never heard this…ever. i HAVE heard one for each decade the jews wondered the desert.
 
Here you are:

The Advent Wreath
  1. Placing four candles on green fronds has become a symbol of Advent in many Christian home, especially in the Germanic countries and in North America.
The Advent wreath, with the progressive lighting of its four candles, Sunday after Sunday, until the Solemnity of Christmas, is a recollection of the various stages of salvation history prior to Christ’s coming and a symbol of the prophetic light gradually illuminating the long night prior to the rising of the Sun of justice (cf. Ml 3,20; Lk 1,78).

That’s it, that’s all the Church has to say about the advent wreath and the four candles. Everything else is custom. The 4000 years thing has nothing whatsoever to do with any Church teaching.
 
I still haven’t found anything coming from the Vatican but this site explains the Catholic view on how the world and it’s inhabitants came to be, though it doesn’t address the Advent wreath and it’s symbolism. catholicbridge.com/catholic/catholic_creationism.php
The only place to find Church teaching on any topic is from the Church, not from a website written by an unknown and non-Vatican source. For instance:
vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/cti_documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20040723_communion-stewardship_en.html

A quote:
  1. The steward must render an account of his stewardship, and the divine Master will judge his actions. The moral legitimacy and efficacy of the means employed by the steward provide the criteria for this judgment. Neither science nor technology are ends in themselves; what is technically possible is not necessarily also reasonable or ethical. Science and technology must be put in the service of the divine design for the whole of creation and for all creatures. This design gives meaning to the universe and to human enterprise as well. Human stewardship of the created world is precisely a stewardship exercised by way of participation in the divine rule and is always subject to it. Human beings exercise this stewardship by gaining scientific understanding of the universe, by caring responsibly for the natural world (including animals and the environment), and by guarding their own biological integrity.
  2. Science and the stewardship of knowledge
  3. The endeavor to understand the universe has marked human culture in every period and in nearly every society. In the perspective of the Christian faith, this endeavor is precisely an instance of the stewardship which human beings exercise in accordance with God’s plan. Without embracing a discredited concordism, Christians have the responsibility to locate the modern scientific understanding of the universe within the context of the theology of creation. The place of human beings in the history of this evolving universe, as it has been charted by modern sciences, can only be seen in its complete reality in the light of faith, as a personal history of the engagement of the triune God with creaturely persons.
  4. According to the widely accepted scientific account, the universe erupted 15 billion years ago in an explosion called the “Big Bang” and has been expanding and cooling ever since. Later there gradually emerged the conditions necessary for the formation of atoms, still later the condensation of galaxies and stars, and about 10 billion years later the formation of planets. In our own solar system and on earth (formed about 4.5 billion years ago), the conditions have been favorable to the emergence of life. While there is little consensus among scientists about how the origin of this first microscopic life is to be explained, there is general agreement among them that the first organism dwelt on this planet about 3.5-4 billion years ago. Since it has been demonstrated that all living organisms on earth are genetically related, it is virtually certain that all living organisms have descended from this first organism. Converging evidence from many studies in the physical and biological sciences furnishes mounting support for some theory of evolution to account for the development and diversification of life on earth, while controversy continues over the pace and mechanisms of evolution. While the story of human origins is complex and subject to revision, physical anthropology and molecular biology combine to make a convincing case for the origin of the human species in Africa about 150,000 years ago in a humanoid population of common genetic lineage. However it is to be explained, the decisive factor in human origins was a continually increasing brain size, culminating in that of homo sapiens. With the development of the human brain, the nature and rate of evolution were permanently altered: with the introduction of the uniquely human factors of consciousness, intentionality, freedom and creativity, biological evolution was recast as social and cultural evolution.
a quote from our Pope:

We cannot say: creation or evolution, inasmuch as these two things respond to two different realities. The story of the dust of the earth and the breath of God, which we just heard, does not in fact explain how human persons come to be but rather what they are. It explains their inmost origin and casts light on the project that they are. And, vice versa, the theory of evolution seeks to understand and describe biological developments. But in so doing it cannot explain where the ‘project’ of human persons comes from, nor their inner origin, nor their particular nature. To that extent we are faced here with two complementary—rather than mutually exclusive—realities.
— Cardinal Ratzinger, *In the Beginning: A Catholic Understanding of the Story of Creation and the Fall *
(Eerdmans, 1995), p. 50.

The Church does not teach a literalist view of Scripture or that the Universe is 6000 years old or that an Advent wreath symbolizes anything very specific at all, as it is part of the custom of a culture, not a universal Church practice.
 
Does anyone know of a reputable site that addresses this?
Faith, I think we are missing something… why is this so important to you?

The Advent wreath isn’t even really a Catholic tradition. It comes from the Lutherans in the 19th century in Germany, and was adopted by German Catholics in the early 20th century. Its use in the Catholic liturgy is less than 100 years old.

There are many different adaptations of the wreath, color and number of candles and symbolism associated with it, none of which is doctrinal.

Really, this is NOT something to get worked up about.
 
It’s just the way I am. :o
I can relate to that! 😃

Sometimes a question or subject will get its hooks into me & I don’t stop until I learn everything I can about it. Except that sometimes there isn’t much to learn.
 
The only place to find Church teaching on any topic is from the Church, not from a website written by an unknown and non-Vatican source. For instance:
vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/cti_documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20040723_communion-stewardship_en.html

A quote:
  1. The steward must render an account of his stewardship, and the divine Master will judge his actions. The moral legitimacy and efficacy of the means employed by the steward provide the criteria for this judgment. Neither science nor technology are ends in themselves; what is technically possible is not necessarily also reasonable or ethical. Science and technology must be put in the service of the divine design for the whole of creation and for all creatures. This design gives meaning to the universe and to human enterprise as well. Human stewardship of the created world is precisely a stewardship exercised by way of participation in the divine rule and is always subject to it. Human beings exercise this stewardship by gaining scientific understanding of the universe, by caring responsibly for the natural world (including animals and the environment), and by guarding their own biological integrity.
  2. Science and the stewardship of knowledge
  3. The endeavor to understand the universe has marked human culture in every period and in nearly every society. In the perspective of the Christian faith, this endeavor is precisely an instance of the stewardship which human beings exercise in accordance with God’s plan. Without embracing a discredited concordism, Christians have the responsibility to locate the modern scientific understanding of the universe within the context of the theology of creation. The place of human beings in the history of this evolving universe, as it has been charted by modern sciences, can only be seen in its complete reality in the light of faith, as a personal history of the engagement of the triune God with creaturely persons.
  4. According to the widely accepted scientific account, the universe erupted 15 billion years ago in an explosion called the “Big Bang” and has been expanding and cooling ever since. Later there gradually emerged the conditions necessary for the formation of atoms, still later the condensation of galaxies and stars, and about 10 billion years later the formation of planets. In our own solar system and on earth (formed about 4.5 billion years ago), the conditions have been favorable to the emergence of life. While there is little consensus among scientists about how the origin of this first microscopic life is to be explained, there is general agreement among them that the first organism dwelt on this planet about 3.5-4 billion years ago. Since it has been demonstrated that all living organisms on earth are genetically related, it is virtually certain that all living organisms have descended from this first organism. Converging evidence from many studies in the physical and biological sciences furnishes mounting support for some theory of evolution to account for the development and diversification of life on earth, while controversy continues over the pace and mechanisms of evolution. While the story of human origins is complex and subject to revision, physical anthropology and molecular biology combine to make a convincing case for the origin of the human species in Africa about 150,000 years ago in a humanoid population of common genetic lineage. However it is to be explained, the decisive factor in human origins was a continually increasing brain size, culminating in that of homo sapiens. With the development of the human brain, the nature and rate of evolution were permanently altered: with the introduction of the uniquely human factors of consciousness, intentionality, freedom and creativity, biological evolution was recast as social and cultural evolution.
a quote from our Pope:

We cannot say: creation or evolution, inasmuch as these two things respond to two different realities. The story of the dust of the earth and the breath of God, which we just heard, does not in fact explain how human persons come to be but rather what they are. It explains their inmost origin and casts light on the project that they are. And, vice versa, the theory of evolution seeks to understand and describe biological developments. But in so doing it cannot explain where the ‘project’ of human persons comes from, nor their inner origin, nor their particular nature. To that extent we are faced here with two complementary—rather than mutually exclusive—realities.
— Cardinal Ratzinger, *In the Beginning: A Catholic Understanding of the Story of Creation and the Fall *
(Eerdmans, 1995), p. 50.

The Church does not teach a literalist view of Scripture or that the Universe is 6000 years old or that an Advent wreath symbolizes anything very specific at all, as it is part of the custom of a culture, not a universal Church practice.
Thanks. You and everyone else here have been very helpful with this thread. Thanks for being patient with me. 🙂
 
All this time I just thought that the 4 candles represented the 4 weeks of Advent. Silly me.
 
The only place to find Church teaching on any topic is from the Church, not from a website written by an unknown and non-Vatican source.
You seem to know a lot about Catholicism, but you don’t have your religious affiliation listed. Are you Catholic?
 
Numerical symbolism is important throughout the Old and New Testaments (The Book of Revelation is full of such symbolism.) In Pope Benedict’s new book on the infancy narratives of Jesus, he examines the differing genealogies given by Matthew and Luke, and notes that Luke’s genealogy arranges 76 names (before Jesus), so 77 names = 7 x 11. The Pope speculates that Luke may have been familiar with the apocalyptic tradition that divides the entire history of the world into 11 times 7 generations, and that this was a symbolic way of representing that in Jesus, the fullness of time had come, and that things got a new start in the “New Adam,” Jesus. Luke thus wants to show that the promise of Jesus redeems the whole of humanity.

What you are talking about may represent a similar oral tradition to the Lucan one. It doesn’t represent a literal description of human history, but a theological one that represents deeper truths. It’s not meant to be a geological or historical treatise.
 
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