Generally, is it true that icons of Eastern Orthodox Christians portray Mary with the Christ child. Certain Eastern Orthodox have very strict requirements as to what is and what is not an acceptable icon.Orthodox Christians in Mexico honour Our Lady of Guadalupe.
Can you give me an example of an Orthodox church, Russian, Greek or other, which has the fasting rule of one hour before receiving Holy Communion at the Divine Liturgy?Orthodox fast requirements do vary somewhat between jurisdictions, and individuals are often given differing expectations from their spiritual Father
Mine also does. This is a latinization. The rosary, as a private devotion, is fine but it is a community prayer that should it take the place of Matins/Orthos before the Divine Liturgy.They say the rosary before the Divine Liturgy.
This is true for the Ruthenian Church in the US. I myself practice the fasting rules (or try at least) of the Eastern Orthodox.The fasting rules are very much relaxed from those of the Greek Orthodox.
Many Eastern Orthodox Churches as well as laity have her on their iconostasis or icon corners in Mexico. How could one be a Christian in Mexico or South America and not have an icon of her. Imagine converts to Orthodoxy. They bring her along with them. Plus, Latin specific saints are not off limits, although being an Eastern Church it would make sense to stick with Eastern Saints.They have an icon of Our Lady of Guadalupe in the Church.
This is how you would know you are in a Byzantine Catholic Church as compared to an Eastern Orthodox Church. Other than that it’s the same Divine Liturgy.They honor the Roman Catholic Pope at each Divine Liturgy.
We recognize the filioque as a valid Latin understanding and take no issue with it.Generally speaking, my understanding is that the Eastern Catholic Churches must agree to the validity of the filioque even though it is not said during the recitation of the creed.
If “lex orandi lex credendi” means anything at all, then we do have the same theology as the Eastern Orthodox.I don’t think that the local Ruthenian Eastern Catholic church has the same liturgical practice, theology . . .
The Greek Orthodox and the Russian Orthodox do not recognize Eastern Catholics as Orthodox. They will use the “U” word.If “lex orandi lex credendi” means anything at all, then we do have the same theology as the Eastern Orthodox.
ZP
Zealots on the interns and social media for sure. I regularly attend an OCA parish and GOA outside of my Ruthenian parish. I make no bones that I’m Greek Catholic and that I see myself as Orthodox in communion with Rome. Nobody I know at either parish us a problem. I’m friends with both priests and their family and I’ll be helping out at the local Grecian Festival in the coming month.The Greek Orthodox and the Russian Orthodox do not recognize Eastern Catholics as Orthodox.
Not sure about Western rite Orthodox but we all know that the Catholic Church is fine with letting Eastern Orthodox attend on a regular basis. Heck, we’ll even allow them to receive communion but of course we would also ask that they follow their own rules on this.Do Catholics accept the western rite Orthodox as Catholics and see no problem with attending their Churches on a regular basis?
I don’t think it’s just zealots, but all Orthodox view eastern Catholics as not Orthodox. Do you receive Communion at Orthodox Churches?Zealots on the interns and social media for sure. I regularly attend an OCA parish and GOA outside of my Ruthenian parish. I make no bones that I’m Greek Catholic and that I see myself as Orthodox in communion with Rome. Nobody I know at either parish us a problem. I’m friends with both priests and their family
I don’t. I’m just saying that my experience with Orthodox is fantastic.Do you receive Communion at Orthodox Churches?
Of course. Eastern Catholics are Catholics who recognize the infallibility and the universal jurisdiction of the Roman Pope.all Orthodox view eastern Catholics as not Orthodox.
i don’t see how it can be the same theology if you recognize papal infallibility and jurisdiction.If “lex orandi lex credendi” means anything at all, then we do have the same theology as the Eastern Orthodox.
I’m glad that it is. We hope that all of mankind would come and join the Orthodox Church and eastern Catholics are nearly there, and as I understand many do finally join the Church.I don’t. I’m just saying that my experience with Orthodox is fantastic.
ZP
Just as some Protestants receive at Roman Catholic churches and Roman Catholics receive at Protestant churches, neither is taught to do so and are at odds with their church’s doctrines. Churches today are not micromanaged and it is easy to have individuals doing scandalous things.Some Orthodox receive at Eastern Catholic Churches… witnessed it myself.
Well the situation with the Orthodox Church is really more a question of whether the patriarch of Constantinople is “Primus inter pares.” That is to say, is Bartholomew I (Ecumenical patriarch of Constantinople) the first among all bishops in the Orthodox Church? Given the fractures within the orthodox Church due to geopolitics it would appear the other Eastern Orthodox do not subscribe to the position of Primus inter paresPlus, the business that they don’t recognize Saint Peter as the Head of the Church and their tradition of the Byzantine Emperor being the Head of the Church. Sadly, Byzantium has fallen to the Turks.
Wish it weren’t so.
Those practices can happen and are not canonical… They seem to be a product of personal friendship and/or an Ekklesiological looking away… It can happen in any Orthodox Church, and is not a good idea as a general practice… I sure hope that the Priests are praying for those whom they are illegitimately Communing…I have a friend, Melkite Greek Catholic, and he communes at an OCA parish regularly in his summer home because there are no Greek Catholic Churches in the area. The community knows that he is Greek Catholic and it is not seen as scandalous by any means. When his daughter was in college she, also Greek Catholic, belonged to a ROCOR parish as well as occasionally attending an OCA parish and in both parishes regularly made Prosforo. I’m curious, as an Orthodox, how do you view this?
That would be, perhaps, a matter of Ekonomia… I would bet that she is very pious and eager to learn more of her Faith and that the OCA and the ROCOR Priests were both taking advantage of her Prosphora making knowledge and using the ekonomia to draw her closer to the Praxis of the Orthodox Faith where she can find what she is seeking…When his daughter was in college she, also Greek Catholic, belonged to a ROCOR parish as well as occasionally attending an OCA parish and in both parishes regularly made Prosforo.
I’m glad that you are still open to joining the Orthodox Church, but you have to realize that if you have not really joined the Church by whatever method the Bishop will receive you, you are tricking yourself by calling yourself Orthodox in the sense of being part of the Orthodox Church.I’m very Orthodox friendly. I consider myself Orthodox and am often on the fence when it comes to communion with Rome or not.
I have a friend, Melkite Greek Catholic, and he communes at an OCA parish regularly in his summer home because there are no Greek Catholic Churches in the area. The community knows that he is Greek Catholic and it is not seen as scandalous by any means. When his daughter was in college she, also Greek Catholic, belonged to a ROCOR parish as well as occasionally attending an OCA parish and in both parishes regularly made Prosforo. I’m curious, as an Orthodox, how do you view this? I truly am curious and I hope you don’t feel that I’m being snide.
I believe I am Orthodox when it comes to my liturgical practice, theology and spirituality but in communion with Rome.I’m glad that you are still open to joining the Orthodox Church, but you have to realize that if you have not really joined the Church by whatever method the Bishop will receive you, you are tricking yourself by calling yourself Orthodox in the sense of being part of the Orthodox Church.
He believes you cannot “join” the Church when one is already part of the Church.Why would your friend receive Communion in the Orthodox Church if he has not joined the Church?
Unless your friend is not American, and is really from one of these countries you say has Orthodox Churches that treat Eastern Catholics like Orthodox, this argument doesn’t stand. From what I have heard from people from Greece, they are very upset that there are Catholic Churches and any other non-Orthodox Churches in their country.He believes you cannot “join” the Church when one is already part of the Church.
In many communities outside of the US, Greek Catholics and Orthodox see themselves as the same and will go to either Church depending on distance and what is more convenient. I’m not suggesting by any means that one (RCC or Orthodox) should just feel free to commune at one another’s parishes, but, in places around the world this does happen. Less in the US however. There are many Protestant converts to Orthodoxy who are now priests and In some cases can be very “anti” Catholic if you will.
I did not mean this as Orthodox as a whole. I spend most of my Sunday’s at an Orthodox Church (GOA and OCA). What I meant to say was that some Protestant converts to Orthodoxy can be this way.As for your statement about anti-Catholicism from Orthodox in the US, I don’t think that is true.
There is a very, very small Greek Byzantine Catholic Church. Orthodox Churches that have a larger Greek Catholic counterpart (Melkite/Antiochian, Romanian, even Ukrainian) probably have much better relationships with one another.From what I have heard from people from Greece, they are very upset that there are Catholic Churches and any other non-Orthodox Churches in their country.
Many probably think this although if you look at some threads going around, I don’t think it is at all.I know that Eastern Catholics like to have “the best of both worlds.”
:+1:t3:I was RCC and only trusted writings from Orthodox Saints, how could I choose to stay in communion with a Church that the Orthodox Church no longer views as Orthodox?
First of all, you are in my thoughts and prayers. May God illumine you on what He wants from you. Please bear in my mind that while people showing sympathy here may be soothing, you do not face a psychological issue but a spiritual one. Please discuss these matters with a Catholic and a EO priest. Here is what I notice:the Orthodox priest-monk who baptised me