Advice on Finding a Parish

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Hello everyone!

I just have a question and was wondering if y’all could help. I was raised in a progressive Franciscan parish and have had difficulty finding a parish up in Lansing, MI. Where I grew up the focus was on social justice, Bible study, small groups, etc. I find more catechism studies than Bible studies around here and much less opportunity for community. I was relating a story about the annual pet blessing we had when I was little, and one set of priests looked at me like I was talking about witchcraft. He reported they’d never do something like that. I am in no way implying that these parishes are bad or anything like that- just looking for what I grew up with.

Thanks for the help. Blessings to you and yours!
 
Hello everyone!

I just have a question and was wondering if y’all could help. I was raised in a progressive Franciscan parish and have had difficulty finding a parish up in Lansing, MI. Where I grew up the focus was on social justice, Bible study, small groups, etc. I find more catechism studies than Bible studies around here and much less opportunity for community. I was relating a story about the annual pet blessing we had when I was little, and one set of priests looked at me like I was talking about witchcraft. He reported they’d never do something like that. I am in no way implying that these parishes are bad or anything like that- just looking for what I grew up with.

Thanks for the help. Blessings to you and yours!
Check out the different Catholic churches in your area. Find one where you feel at home & comfortable. It’s strange that the parish you talk about did not know about the annual blessing of the animals on the Feast of St. Francis of Assisi.
 
Hello everyone!

I just have a question and was wondering if y’all could help. I was raised in a progressive Franciscan parish and have had difficulty finding a parish up in Lansing, MI. Where I grew up the focus was on social justice, Bible study, small groups, etc. I find more catechism studies than Bible studies around here and much less opportunity for community. I was relating a story about the annual pet blessing we had when I was little, and one set of priests looked at me like I was talking about witchcraft. He reported they’d never do something like that. I am in no way implying that these parishes are bad or anything like that- just looking for what I grew up with.

Thanks for the help. Blessings to you and yours!
Look up the Social Justice Ministry on the diocesan website. It usually lists key personnel. You can call and ask them for a parish recommendation. Another idea is to check out the campus ministry at MSU.
 
Hello everyone!

I just have a question and was wondering if y’all could help. I was raised in a progressive Franciscan parish and have had difficulty finding a parish up in Lansing, MI. Where I grew up the focus was on social justice, Bible study, small groups, etc. I find more catechism studies than Bible studies around here and much less opportunity for community. I was relating a story about the annual pet blessing we had when I was little, and one set of priests looked at me like I was talking about witchcraft. He reported they’d never do something like that. I am in no way implying that these parishes are bad or anything like that- just looking for what I grew up with.

Thanks for the help. Blessings to you and yours!
Obviously, (if you have not already) start with the parish that you geographically live in. Contact your diocese if you are not sure which parish you live in.

If the parish you live in does not have what you are looking for (aka Bible Study and/or community service) you can always volunteer to start a group.

Personally, I attend the parish I live in, but know of others in my area which have different Mass times. If I cannot attend my own parish due to a schedule conflict, then I know which other parishes I can attend. I used to parish hop, but it really is nice to attend the parish you live in. Plus, it’s nice knowing that your parish priest can help you with everything you need.

NOTE:
  • Technically, just like how a Bishop is responsible for all souls in his geographic area (Diocese) a Pastor is responsible for all souls in his geographic area (or Church if a personal Parish). When you live outside of the parish you attend, sometimes the Pastor must receive permission from your local pastor to perform sacraments (even if you never stepped inside your local parish)
  • This could become an issue in regards to baptisms, CCD, weddings and funerals.
  • For example, some parishes (due to popularity and limited dates/resources) can only perform weddings and funerals for people who both physically live in AND are registered with the parish (meaning registered members who live outside would not be eligible).
  • It can also cause issues in the future (after your death) if decedents are trying to find your Church records for one reason or another.
In regards to the animal blessings, try your diocese too (if the parish you wind up attending is unaware). Who knows, perhaps it is possible that some parishes might not do it because of some local/county/state regulation?

I hope this is helpful.

God Bless.
 
Bioethics:

I am getting late into this discussion, and I don’t know how far away Ann Arbor is from you, but I suggest checking out Christ the King in Ann Arbor. That is a very dynamic parish. I believe Ann Arbor is in the Lansing Diocese, but it borders the Archdiocese of Detroit.

If you are young (say, under 35), check out some of the Young Adult activities in the Lansing Diocese. Some young adult groups may have a facebook page, or if you contact the diocesan office someone there may be able to give you some information (or even a parish office). Both singles and young married couples are invited to come to these events, and they are good places to make friends. If you are married, your spouse can come with you to these events.

Hope this helps.
 
There may be places with masses you are not aware of. For example, some Catholic hospitals have masses the public can go to. From what you say, you would want to check various possibilities. Or maybe in neighboring towns. Many diocesan websites identify Catholic Churches by town. When I lived in a small city in New York State, my wife and I liked going to Sunday mass in another small city 30 miles away.
 
Obviously, (if you have not already) start with the parish that you geographically live in. Contact your diocese if you are not sure which parish you live in.

Technically, just like how a Bishop is responsible for all souls in his geographic area (Diocese) a Pastor is responsible for all souls in his geographic area (or Church if a personal Parish). When you live outside of the parish you attend, sometimes the Pastor must receive permission from your local pastor to perform sacraments (even if you never stepped inside your local parish)
This could become an issue in regards to baptisms, CCD, weddings and funerals. .
I just wrote my RC diocese over a wk ago for geographical parishes for a couple of locations. I received an auto reply that my email had been received but I never have yet received an answer.

What are the times when the pastor must receive permission from your local pastor? Would a local pastor actually not give permission for the person’s other pastor to perform sacramants? Why would they not give permission?
 
I got married in another parish–and in fact in another country, and such a problem never came up.
Personally, I have registered in a local parish–though I don’t even know if it was one covering my geographical area–since I wanted to support it financially. But more often than not I went to mass at another parish. There was never any problem over that.
As far as baptisms and funerals go, I don’t know if they are supposed to be in the parish in which you have registered or in which you live. But even if this happens to be the case, you can still go to mass wherever you choose.
If there is a parish more like the one you grew up with, that is not your local parish, perhaps you could simply register with that one (though this is starting to get beyond my knowledge).

QUOTE=phil19034;11739917]Obviously, (if you have not already) start with the parish that you geographically live in. Contact your diocese if you are not sure which parish you live in.

If the parish you live in does not have what you are looking for (aka Bible Study and/or community service) you can always volunteer to start a group.

Personally, I attend the parish I live in, but know of others in my area which have different Mass times. If I cannot attend my own parish due to a schedule conflict, then I know which other parishes I can attend. I used to parish hop, but it really is nice to attend the parish you live in. Plus, it’s nice knowing that your parish priest can help you with everything you need.

NOTE:
  • Technically, just like how a Bishop is responsible for all souls in his geographic area (Diocese) a Pastor is responsible for all souls in his geographic area (or Church if a personal Parish). When you live outside of the parish you attend, sometimes the Pastor must receive permission from your local pastor to perform sacraments (even if you never stepped inside your local parish)
  • This could become an issue in regards to baptisms, CCD, weddings and funerals.
  • For example, some parishes (due to popularity and limited dates/resources) can only perform weddings and funerals for people who both physically live in AND are registered with the parish (meaning registered members who live outside would not be eligible).
  • It can also cause issues in the future (after your death) if decedents are trying to find your Church records for one reason or another.
In regards to the animal blessings, try your diocese too (if the parish you wind up attending is unaware). Who knows, perhaps it is possible that some parishes might not do it because of some local/county/state regulation?

I hope this is helpful.

God Bless.
 
I got married in another parish–and in fact in another country, and such a problem never came up.
Personally, I have registered in a local parish–though I don’t even know if it was one covering my geographical area–since I wanted to support it financially. But more often than not I went to mass at another parish. There was never any problem over that.
As far as baptisms and funerals go, I don’t know if they are supposed to be in the parish in which you have registered or in which you live. But even if this happens to be the case, you can still go to mass wherever you choose.
If there is a parish more like the one you grew up with, that is not your local parish, perhaps you could simply register with that one (though this is starting to get beyond my knowledge).
Sy Noe and mgdspencer:

Technically, the pastor of a particular parish does have a geographical boundary, and is responsible for Catholics in that geographical boundary.

However, let me explain a few things here:

In this day and age, it is my experience that most pastors and parishes do not mind Catholics attending Mass outside of their geographic location. I think pastors have too many other things to worry about, and know that many Catholics today “church shop” to find a parish that suits them. As mgdspencer says, “you can still go to Mass wherever your choose.” 50, 60, or 70 years ago, cradle Catholics who are that experienced tell me it was a different story.

Frankly, my parish has about 60% registered parishioners technically living “outside” parish boundaries. Most people today go where they feel comfortable. I attended there and make a 20 minute drive because I like it, and the parish I originally lived closest too had a reputation for “watering down”. I also like to go where I get a teachable homily, and not just the “status quo” or a “Father Nice” who makes the Mass last only 45 minutes. I also like a church that looks like a church and not a bank building.

A case in point: Several of the TLM parishes staffed by the FSSP have parishioners driving 45 minutes or more to attend every Sunday. In all my years as a Catholic (and even as a younger Catholic) I never once had a pastor or a parish administrator tell me I couldn’t register because of my residence, and at one time I even belonged to a parish that was in the Diocese of Fort Worth, even when I lived about a mile into the Diocese of Dallas boundaries.

Another example: Before Bishop Carlson came to Saginaw (MI) in 2004, a large number of Catholics in Saginaw drove 30 minutes or more every Sunday to attend Mass either in the Diocese of Gaylord or the Diocese of Lansing, and I wouldn’t be surprised back in those days if many were registered in those dioceses, even though they lived in another diocese. Fortunately, Carlson implemented a huge housecleaning (i.e. restoring orthodoxy to that diocese) when he became bishop of Saginaw (he is now the Archbishop of St. Louis), so I would say that crossing boundaries there today is uncommon.

Another example: An old buddy of mine liked to attend Mass at a university, but he registered in a parish with a solid priest who was in a bad part of town. My buddy registered at that parish and sent a large check there monthly, because this priest is on board with the church’s teachings, and the money went to good use.

It is good to be registered at a Catholic parish, because you are counted by the diocese as a registered Catholic. I was told this years ago as a young adult, even if I attended some other parishes.

As far as sacraments (baptism, confirmation, marriage, first communion), my understanding is for recordkeeping, a pastor wants the Catholic to be registered at the parish, but it doesn’t necessarily have to be the closest parish to the Catholic’s residence (particularly if he or she drives 20-30 minutes to attend the parish where he or she is registered).

Mgdspencer brought up his marriage - I’ve had friends that have gotten married at a Catholic parish where they were not registered, and my understanding is this was fine because they had permission in advance from their own pastor. This is often the case if you are getting married in another city or another country (i.e. your wife or wife’s family is registered at the parish where you got married in that city or another country).

About weddings - some couples choose to get married at a different parish than where they are registered. This can be done as long as the couple has permission from both pastors - the pastor at their parishes and the church where the wedding is being performed. Oftentimes, this is not hard to do, and many times their local pastor will be given permission by the resident pastor to do the marriage at the other parish. Most of the time (and I have attended weddings like this), the couple wants to get married either in a larger church, or a church that looks like a church and not a bank building.

As far as funerals, I’m told if a Catholic dies, and the Catholic is not registered in any parish, oftentimes the Catholic will have a Catholic funeral at the closest parish to his or her residence.

I hope this explanation helps and is not too confusing. Thank you.

P.S. I don’t come here very often anymore, and I usually only contribute on topics related to colleges, vocations, bishop and bishop changes, and educational-type topics (even seminary topics), and a little bit about some dioceses.
 
Sy Noe and mgdspencer:

Technically, the pastor of a particular parish does have a geographical boundary, and is responsible for Catholics in that geographical boundary.

However, let me explain a few things here:

In this day and age, it is my experience that most pastors and parishes do not mind Catholics attending Mass outside of their geographic location. I think pastors have too many other things to worry about, and know that many Catholics today “church shop” to find a parish that suits them. As mgdspencer says, “you can still go to Mass wherever your choose.” 50, 60, or 70 years ago, cradle Catholics who are that experienced tell me it was a different story.

Frankly, my parish has about 60% registered parishioners technically living “outside” parish boundaries. Most people today go where they feel comfortable. I attended there and make a 20 minute drive because I like it, and the parish I originally lived closest too had a reputation for “watering down”. I also like to go where I get a teachable homily, and not just the “status quo” or a “Father Nice” who makes the Mass last only 45 minutes. I also like a church that looks like a church and not a bank building.

A case in point: Several of the TLM parishes staffed by the FSSP have parishioners driving 45 minutes or more to attend every Sunday. In all my years as a Catholic (and even as a younger Catholic) I never once had a pastor or a parish administrator tell me I couldn’t register because of my residence, and at one time I even belonged to a parish that was in the Diocese of Fort Worth, even when I lived about a mile into the Diocese of Dallas boundaries.

Another example: Before Bishop Carlson came to Saginaw (MI) in 2004, a large number of Catholics in Saginaw drove 30 minutes or more every Sunday to attend Mass either in the Diocese of Gaylord or the Diocese of Lansing, and I wouldn’t be surprised back in those days if many were registered in those dioceses, even though they lived in another diocese. Fortunately, Carlson implemented a huge housecleaning (i.e. restoring orthodoxy to that diocese) when he became bishop of Saginaw (he is now the Archbishop of St. Louis), so I would say that crossing boundaries there today is uncommon.

Another example: An old buddy of mine liked to attend Mass at a university, but he registered in a parish with a solid priest who was in a bad part of town. My buddy registered at that parish and sent a large check there monthly, because this priest is on board with the church’s teachings, and the money went to good use.

It is good to be registered at a Catholic parish, because you are counted by the diocese as a registered Catholic. I was told this years ago as a young adult, even if I attended some other parishes.

As far as sacraments (baptism, confirmation, marriage, first communion), my understanding is for recordkeeping, a pastor wants the Catholic to be registered at the parish, but it doesn’t necessarily have to be the closest parish to the Catholic’s residence (particularly if he or she drives 20-30 minutes to attend the parish where he or she is registered).

Mgdspencer brought up his marriage - I’ve had friends that have gotten married at a Catholic parish where they were not registered, and my understanding is this was fine because they had permission in advance from their own pastor. This is often the case if you are getting married in another city or another country (i.e. your wife or wife’s family is registered at the parish where you got married in that city or another country).

About weddings - some couples choose to get married at a different parish than where they are registered. This can be done as long as the couple has permission from both pastors - the pastor at their parishes and the church where the wedding is being performed. Oftentimes, this is not hard to do, and many times their local pastor will be given permission by the resident pastor to do the marriage at the other parish. Most of the time (and I have attended weddings like this), the couple wants to get married either in a larger church, or a church that looks like a church and not a bank building.

As far as funerals, I’m told if a Catholic dies, and the Catholic is not registered in any parish, oftentimes the Catholic will have a Catholic funeral at the closest parish to his or her residence.

I hope this explanation helps and is not too confusing. Thank you.

P.S. I don’t come here very often anymore, and I usually only contribute on topics related to colleges, vocations, bishop and bishop changes, and educational-type topics (even seminary topics), and a little bit about some dioceses.
Thanks it was helpful and not too confusing. 🙂 I actually called a couple of parishes once and they said they allow people to register even if outside of their geographical area. But I know when I had a relative who was dying who was not registered anywhere but who before she was ill attended a parish that was not her geographical parish, I nevertheless called her geographical parish.

Anyway I guess what just struck me though about an earlier post was “When you live outside of the parish you attend, sometimes the Pastor must receive permission from your local pastor to perform sacraments (even if you never stepped inside your local parish)” And I didn’t know if any geographical pastor would actually forbid a person from receiving Sacraments from the pastor of the parish a person attended. I’m taking it though this is less common today.
 
Anyway I guess what just struck me though about an earlier post was “When you live outside of the parish you attend, sometimes the Pastor must receive permission from your local pastor to perform sacraments (even if you never stepped inside your local parish)” And I didn’t know if any geographical pastor would actually forbid a person from receiving Sacraments from the pastor of the parish a person attended. I’m taking it though this is less common today.
Hello- I just saw your question based on my original post. I pretty much agree with what hwiggles4 posted.

Let me add the following.
  1. the geographic pastor’s right to deny permission is really only if the Pastor knows the person and knows something grave about their personal life which would bar them from the sacraments. For example, “you can’t confirm him, he’s a hit man for the mob!” This doesn’t doesn’t happen often anymore because Priests are less knowledgable of our personal lives and only have access to what we tell them.
  2. while typically the geographic rules are not enforced (for example in some dioceses they are universally ignored) some times they are used in the case of weddings and funerals. Example, let’s say you city has 5 Catholic Parishes. But one is a beautiful older Church and is gorgeous for Weddings, wedding pictures, etc. So popular that they start to have too many weddings and cannot provide for the demand of their parish. The parish might then decide to use the Geographic boundaries (not just registration) as a way to limit the number of weddings so they can take care of the members of their parish.
  3. same thing with Catholic cemeteries. Typically, there are two kinds… Parish cemeteries and Diocesan cemeteries. Parish cemeteries are usually cheaper for registered Parishioners and/or geographic Parishioners. But if space becomes short on supply, the parish could limit it to registered and geographic parishioners, leaving non-resident parishioners to use the diocesan cemeteries.
  4. another place where this sometimes comes into play is with Catholic Schools run completely by a Parish. They will sometimes have registered parishioner discounts and sometimes even resident registered parishioner discounts.
  5. today, being a non-resident for Baptism and CCD are rarely an issue because its not often that supply and demand affect these. But if they did (especially with CCD) then resident requirements could be used.
  6. finally, the place i see this used the most is with shut-in seniors. Most parishes will only have an EMHC visit seniors at home, to provide Holy Communion when they are registered AND live inside the geographic boundaries. This is the case with my grandparents. When they moved, I needed get them registered and they needed to verify that the house was inside the boundaries.
Now… Unfortunately, most Catholic Parishes no longer have to worry about this because they no longer have the demand. Hence, most of the time you can receive the sacraments anywhere. Personally, I think this is really still on the books to allow for usage when warranted, though rarely used (at least in the USA).

Finally, think of it this way… It’s a safeguard to help the pastor best take care of the flock living in his community. If non-residents strengthen his parish (which is often the case) or do not cause an issue, then everyone is welcome - the more the merrier!

I hope this makes sense. God Bless
 
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