Aer you vegetarian or vegan? And why?

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cathybramble said:
your point is well taken about fats in the diet - we’ve been brainwashed to think they’re not good for us, but they are necessary and good for us. i’ve struggled with my weight for many years, and through it all there was the recurring theme of counting calories and limiting fats. these days i work to get enough fats and calories - but they come in the form of nuts, peanut butter, sesame oil/tahini, olive oil, and coconut milk and oil.

i do think that people who go veg by simply taking away certain foods from their diet are asking for trouble - you have to re-learn how to eat wisely using different foods, in order to be healthy. it isn’t complicated, it’s just different than what most of us were raised with.

anyway, it’s been just over a year for me, and so far so good. i don’t count calories, i just keep all my carbs complex, eat when i’m hungry, and avoid eating more than i need to. this past year there was a contest at my work for weight loss over an 8-month period, and well… just going vegan and taking up brisk walking a few days a week, i won. there were people who did atkins and south beach and other diets and some of them started out losing more than i did, quicker, but i’ve lost about 5-6 lbs a month at a steady healthy pace, and kept it off. it seems to me a very natural and healthy way to eat.🙂
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Vegetables. They’re not just for lent anymore!
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I am vegan by choice. I have a really ****** family history and I want to be as healthy as I can.
Kathy
 
I was vegan for years, after becoming a vegetarian in high school. I ate a vegan diet through my pregnancies. However, my third child was born with a severe carnitine deficiency–carnitine is a vital substance for energy utilization in the body, and is mostly found in meat and animal products. My carnitine level was the lowest it could possibly be without me dying. My doctor advised me that years of a vegetarian/vegan diet, combined with pregnancy, depeleted my body and caused my son’s level to be too low as well.

I eat meat about twice a week now, and dairy products are part of our diet as well. The vegan diet can be a healthy one, but one diet does not fit all. I used to think I was eating so well for my babies, and it turned out I was depriving them! 😦
 
One thing I have wondered about reasons for going vegan- I can totally wrap my head around vegetarianism- I’m just not one.

So about vegans- don’t cows actually LIKE being milked? I guess I can see them not liking the big industry of milk production- but what about milk from smaller farms or something? What’s the problem with milk or eggs for that matter?
 
Feanor said:
One thing I have wondered about reasons for going vegan- I can totally wrap my head around vegetarianism- I’m just not one.

So about vegans- don’t cows actually LIKE being milked? I guess I can see them not liking the big industry of milk production- but what about milk from smaller farms or something? What’s the problem with milk or eggs for that matter?
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They would like nursing their calves just as a woman nurses her baby. But they are put through much pain, suffering torture, and early death by slaughter, just for us to have milk. They are milked by machines, often never detached form them, and are given drugs so that they over produce milk, making their udders much larger than they should be. And their calves don’t get any. They are taken away, chained in boxes, and slaughtered for veal.

Mammals produce milk to feed their young. Once you are weened from your mother’s milk, you do not need it from another species. All the nutrients found in milk can be found in plant sources, without the harmful aspects of milk, like cholesterol, hormones, etc.
 
Fidelia said:
They would like nursing their calves just as a woman nurses her baby. But they are put through much pain, suffering torture, and early death by slaughter, just for us to have milk. They are milked by machines, often never detached form them, and are given drugs so that they over produce milk, making their udders much larger than they should be. And their calves don’t get any. They are taken away, chained in boxes, and slaughtered for veal.

Mammals produce milk to feed their young. Once you are weened from your mother’s milk, you do not need it from another species. All the nutrients found in milk can be found in plant sources, without the harmful aspects of milk, like cholesterol, hormones, etc.
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That’s why I said that I could understand not getting milk from a large industry like system. You know like the milk in grocery stores. What would be the problem with getting milk from a local family operated farm?

And let me assure you I do strongly endorse the proper treatment of animals. For instance I will not eat foi gras or Chilean Sea Bass. I also feel bad about eating veal but I do admit I do give in every now and again.
 
Feanor said:
That’s why I said that I could understand not getting milk from a large industry like system. You know like the milk in grocery stores. What would be the problem with getting milk from a local family operated farm?

And let me assure you I do strongly endorse the proper treatment of animals. For instance I will not eat foi gras or Chilean Sea Bass. I also feel bad about eating veal but I do admit I do give in every now and again.
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Slaughter is slaughter. It does not fit into the proper treatment of animals. Dairy cows are eventually slaughtered, as are their young.
 
OK I guess it is like a matter of faith for you. That’s cool. I may disagree be I respect your commitment! 🙂
 
Feanor said:
One thing I have wondered about reasons for going vegan- I can totally wrap my head around vegetarianism- I’m just not one.

So about vegans- don’t cows actually LIKE being milked? I guess I can see them not liking the big industry of milk production- but what about milk from smaller farms or something? What’s the problem with milk or eggs for that matter?
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I suppose that when a cow is suckling her calf she likes it. But, on a machine?
Seems more like she is being used. Day in and day out she stands in a stall with a milking machine strapped to her teats. I wonder if the cow likes this?

On an old fashioned farm it might be different.
 
I wish you would post recipes and name good cookbooks on this veg. thread.
 
Nope. Meat is just too darn tasty! 😃 Grilled, broiled, fried, in hotdishes, jerked, mmmmmmmm.

I don’t care for milk, but I love cheese, real butter, real sour cream, steak, pork roast, pork chops, ribs, burgers…👍

We get our meat from my parent’s farm, so I know there is nothing added to it. 👍 👍

My 17 DS was “starving” the other day (what teenage boy usually isn’t :rolleyes: ). He went to our freezer, defrosted a sirloin steak, broiled it, and ate the whole thing.
 
I’ve tried going vegetarian many times in the past, but always failed a month or two later. I’d like to eventually make the switch permanently or, at the very least, get into a “flexitarian” diet. I’m an animal lover. I look at a pet and wonder why I can eat a cow, but would never consider eating him. I know why. It’s because I’ve been desensitized to the process. I don’t raise the cow and keep it safe, just to kill and eat it. If I was actively involved in the process of getting my food from the cow to my plate, I would almost guarantee I wouldn’t eat meat.

Edit: Also, there are some meats that I won’t eat, just out of principle. Some of those are veal, fois gras, and ikizukuri.
 
DH is a vegetarian and I will occasionally eat some fish. A previous poster asked about recipes or cookbooks–one we use is the Moosewood cookbook.

However, a word of warning–I found some of the most delicious recipes a bit high in fat. If you are a lacto-ovo, and do eat dairy products, they have a lot of really tasty cream soups. 👍
 
I am a former vegan who still loves to cook vegan food and still adores tofu, seitan and tempeh grin

I stopped eating exclusively vegan because no matter how well-planned out my diet was, or how much variety I ate, my body was not happy.

When it comes to diet and food choices, I say to each their own 🙂

Jess
 
I had to look up ikizukuri (When a sashimi chef takes the animal out of the tank and fillets and guts it, but without killing the animal, which is served on a plate, sliced, with the heart still beating.)

EWW! How much crueler can a person get? Yikes!
 
JessicaCeleste said:
I had to look up ikizukuri (When a sashimi chef takes the animal out of the tank and fillets and guts it, but without killing the animal, which is served on a plate, sliced, with the heart still beating.)

EWW! How much crueler can a person get? Yikes!
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not only cruel, but really yucky too. People eat this stuff:confused:
 
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