Aer you vegetarian or vegan? And why?

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Sorry my bad. It would limit the types of meals, not the amount. I eat several meals a day. Some contain only meat, non meat foods mixed with meat, or no meat at all. Believe me, I can’t eat only meat alone. No way! Best tasting meals are ones that combine meat with non meat IMHO.
it wouldn’t even limit the types of meals. There are tons of different recipes. You just have to learn about other options and other foods. You can do many things with tofu, seitan or tempeh to add extra protein to a meal, if you’re concerned about that. You should look into those foods and at least don’t eat meat every single day. The greatest misconception is that people “need” to eat meat every day as part of a healthy diet. You don’t, and you shouldn’t. Eating meat in not inherently unhealthy, but eating too much is definitely dangerous. Our bodies are designed to process a predominantly plant-based diet. The majority of every meal should be vegetables and grains. Meat should be more like your side dish, not a hunk of flesh covering 50-75% of your plate. That kind of habit is what invites heart disease, diabetes, cholesterol problems and cancer.
 
Well logical says if there are1,000,000 different types of meals in the world(which i know there is more) and 30% contained meat, I could not eat those meals if I were to become a vegetarian. Therefore it would limit the types of meal I could eat.

Believe me; I respect those who are vegetarians. 👍 It is a healthy life style if done correctly. However, it is not the life style for me. Not that I would never consider fasting from meat for a week; I just would have to carefully plan it out. I rarely go over my 2-3 servings of meat per day, if I even do that. I have more carbs than anything. As for the Cholesterol problems I may incur with later on, I’m always sure to eat my 5-6 severings of Cheerios a day. 😉
 
Well logical says if there are1,000,000 different types of meals in the world(which i know there is more) and 30% contained meat, I could not eat those meals if I were to become a vegetarian. Therefore it would limit the types of meal I could eat.
You could prepare the same meals, just without meat or with some other protein product to replace it if you need it. If you’d be worried about eating away form home, most restaurants are usually accommodating.
I still fail to understand why vegetarianism is thought to be limiting. We like variety and good taste just as much as everyone else, trust me. There would not be as many vegetarians as there are if it was actually as difficult as many non-vegetarians want to make it out to be. (Understand, I’m not intending my statements at you personally, but I am replying based on what you have said so that everyone can learn)
 
I still fail to understand why vegetarianism is thought to be limiting. We like variety and good taste just as much as everyone else, trust me. There would not be as many vegetarians as there are if it was actually as difficult as many non-vegetarians want to make it out to be. …)
When someone doesn’t understand something, I think people tend to make it out to be difficult. I am vegan and have been for 6 years now. I was vegetarian before that. I changed for health reasons.
Funny thing is, people who should know what are good sources of protein, often times don’t. I had supper with a friend who is an RN. When we started talking veg/vegan, she asked so just where DO you get your protein from?
All I can say is for ME, vegan is the way to go. I am not one of those “crazy PETA people” I hold no affinity for cats or dogs. I wear leather sneakers. But my diet is vegan.

Kathy
 
When someone doesn’t understand something, I think people tend to make it out to be difficult. I am vegan and have been for 6 years now. I was vegetarian before that. I changed for health reasons.
Funny thing is, people who should know what are good sources of protein, often times don’t. I had supper with a friend who is an RN. When we started talking veg/vegan, she asked so just where DO you get your protein from?
All I can say is for ME, vegan is the way to go. I am not one of those “crazy PETA people” I hold no affinity for cats or dogs. I wear leather sneakers. But my diet is vegan.

Kathy
Well it sort of is a hard thing to do for many people. Give up your life eating meat and eat non meat food only. It’s not a willy nilly thing; it’s a life style that one must be committed to. I’m sure you all don’t have a hard time finding a source protein. There are many different sources that one can get protein. I’ve thinking lately to increase my protein intake by drinking those powder mixes. I have good muscles as it is, but you know they could always be larger.
 
👋 Hi all! I’ve been a vegetarian most of my life, except for a mad craving for fish and chips while preggers with DS1 that hit me in the middle of the Nevada desert 🤷 the one thing I have a hard time giving up is dairy. I rarely eat eggs unless they are in something. Everyone thinks that is weirder than not eating meat because I raise chickens for eggs. For me it’s mostly because I just don’t like meat. I love animals and hate the practices on factory farms, but I really just don’t like the taste or feel of meat.
 
Well it sort of is a hard thing to do for many people. Give up your life eating meat and eat non meat food only. It’s not a willy nilly thing; it’s a life style that one must be committed to. I’m sure you all don’t have a hard time finding a source protein. There are many different sources that one can get protein. I’ve thinking lately to increase my protein intake by drinking those powder mixes. I have good muscles as it is, but you know they could always be larger.
I grew up on meat and potatoes. I started eating a vegetarian diet in '98 and vegan in '03. And yes, it was hard at first but now I don’t even think about it.

Kathy
 
veganism to me is directly tied to my faith, respect for God’s creation,
Whatever faith this is, it’s not Christianity. Jesus himself ate slaughtered animals regularly. So He didn’t respect his Father’s creation?

As Jesus ate meat, I will continue to do so. I have no problem with people who don’t eat meat, but please don’t try to make yourself out to be a better Christian than me because of that difference.
 
Whatever faith this is, it’s not Christianity. Jesus himself ate slaughtered animals regularly. So He didn’t respect his Father’s creation?

As Jesus ate meat, I will continue to do so. I have no problem with people who don’t eat meat, but please don’t try to make yourself out to be a better Christian than me because of that difference.
This post is long, I promise I’m not lecturing.

I’m not trying to make myself out to be a better Christian because I have a certain ethical viewpoint. But my ethical viewpoint is in line with Catholic teaching (I mean not against any Church doctrine).
The facts that “Jesus ate meat” or that “The Church doesn’t say we should be veg” are simply not good enough premises to conclude that a Catholic can not or should not choose because of ethics to be a vegetarian.

Jesus didn’t eat factory farmed animals. He lived in a different time and place. His diet is not relevant to this discussion. If Jesus were to come and walk around America in 2009, I doubt that he would be glad about the way God’s creatures are being treated in factory farms.

We’re not saying it is inherently immoral to eat meat. If it was, the Church would tell us so. But the Catechism does tell us this,if anyone’s curious. (Underlining mine):
2415 The seventh commandment enjoins respect for the integrity of creation. Animals, like plants and inanimate beings, are by nature destined for the common good of past, present and future humanity. Use of the mineral, vegetable and animal resources of the universe cannot be divorced from respect for moral imperatives. Man’s dominion over inanimate and other living beings granted by the Creator is not absolute; it is limited by the concern for the quality of life of his neighbour, including generations to come; it requires a religious respect for the integrity of creation.
2416 Animals are God’s creatures. He surrounds them with his providential care. By their mere existence they bless him and give him glory. Thus men owe them kindness. We should recall the gentleness with which saints like St. Francis of Assisi or St. Philip Neri treated animals
2417 God entrusted animals to the stewardshipof those whom he created in his own image. Hence it is legitimate to use animals for food and clothing. They may be domesticated to help man in his work and leisure. Medical and scientific experimentation on animals is a morally acceptable practice if it remains within reasonable limits and contributes to caring for or saving human lives.
2418 It is contrary to human dignity to cause animals to suffer or die needlessly. It is likewise unworthy to spend money on them that should as a priority go to the relief of human misery. One can love animals; one should not direct to them the affection due only to persons.
2456 The dominion granted by the Creator over the mineral, vegetable, and animal resources of the universe cannot be separated from respect for moral obligations, including those toward generations to come.
2457 Animals are entrusted to man’s stewardship; he must show them kindness. They may be used to serve the just satisfaction of man’s needs.
Of course you’re not morally obligated to become a vegetarian. But you can think about it all. By *all, *I mean not just the animal-related ethics, but also the respect we should all have to our own bodily integrity, and how we should keep our bodies healthy too. The consumption of meat if associated with heart disease, diabetes, and cancer.
So when we talk about the ethics of vegetarianism, it’s about two things. It is about respecting our own bodies and our health, and it is also about ethics concerning our fellow creatures- though not in God’s image, they are still God’s.

Anyone and everyone can do something, a big something or a little something, with their diets, to make them all around better, healthier, more ethical, however you want to look at it. There are people who go veg specifically for health, specifically for ethics, or a mesh of both. Some people just cut down on red meat, some are pescatarian (eat fish), some are ovo and/or lacto vegetarians, some choose a completely vegan lifestyle.

But my main point is, vegetarianism has good reasons all around. But that doesn’t mean we are trying to claim that you’re going to hell for eating meat or something like that. Like I said, if it was inherently immoral, the Church would tell us.

One last thing-- Don’t freak out about the idea of (yourself or someone else) not eating meat. I know (really I do-- I wasn’t always veg, and I did not always feel as I do now) that it seems like a major major huge change of life style. But it does not have to be a big scary thing. It’s not a big scary thing. And it is certainly not a radical or crazy thing.
 
Anyone and everyone can do something, a big something or a little something, with their diets, to make them all around better, healthier, more ethical, however you want to look at it. There are people who go veg specifically for health, specifically for ethics, or a mesh of both. Some people just cut down on red meat, some are pescatarian (eat fish), some are ovo and/or lacto vegetarians, some choose a completely vegan lifestyle.

But my main point is, vegetarianism has good reasons all around. But that doesn’t mean we are trying to claim that you’re going to hell for eating meat or something like that. Like I said, if it was inherently immoral, the Church would tell us.

One last thing-- Don’t freak out about the idea of (yourself or someone else) not eating meat. I know (really I do-- I wasn’t always veg, and I did not always feel as I do now) that it seems like a major major huge change of life style. But it does not have to be a big scary thing. It’s not a big scary thing. And it is certainly not a radical or crazy thing.
Thanks for this post - I know when my daughter first went vegetarian (she was in 8th grade) I was a long way from that, but worked to support her choice because even then she could articulate that her choice seemed right for her… over the years as she became vegan she then shared all the reasons and everything she had learned - at first it was difficult for me to understand - how would we celebrate holidays, etc… I’m the family cook so it kind of felt like a rejection of how she had been raised so I completely understand when people feel like it is just too big of a change… HOWEVER… as she shared, I read, I learned more and more everything I found that everything I learned FIT with my faith, my understanding of Catholic Social Teaching - SO I too made the change little by little (fish was the last to go!) So like you, I haven’t been doing this forever and do understand how this huge change can feel. HAPPY EASTER!
 
Thanks for this post - I know when my daughter first went vegetarian (she was in 8th grade) I was a long way from that, but worked to support her choice because even then she could articulate that her choice seemed right for her… over the years as she became vegan she then shared all the reasons and everything she had learned - at first it was difficult for me to understand - how would we celebrate holidays, etc… I’m the family cook so it kind of felt like a rejection of how she had been raised so I completely understand when people feel like it is just too big of a change… HOWEVER… as she shared, I read, I learned more and more everything I found that everything I learned FIT with my faith, my understanding of Catholic Social Teaching - SO I too made the change little by little (fish was the last to go!) So like you, I haven’t been doing this forever and do understand how this huge change can feel. HAPPY EASTER!
Happy Easter! Thanks for posting!
 
In my family there is a history of diabetes, heart disease, high blood pressure, and cancer. My highest weight was 365 lbs. (I am a 5’6" female).

I started transitioning to Raw Vegan in July 2008. January 2009 was my first month at 100% Raw Vegan. Since becoming a Raw Vegan, I lose about 12-15 lbs. a month, I have much more energy and have been able to work out 7 days a week for at least 45 minutes a day, and my skin is absolutely glowing. More importantly, my health indicators (blood pressure, sugar levels, cholestorol levels, etc.) have improved tremendously.

Becoming Raw Vegan was the best thing I could have done for my health!

BTW: A Raw Vegan diet consists mostly of fruit, veggies, nuts, seeds, and sprouted grains that are either completely raw or cooked (usually dehydrated) at temperatures below 118 degrees.
 
read my above post #151.
I did & don’t agree, not withstanding the catechism quotes.
Even though I was being only partly serious, I don’t believe most folks really understand how grazing livestock are raised.Nor do I believe “factory farms” are inherently evil or cruel to livestock.Large farms can be operated humanely, small farms can be operated inhumanely.It all depends on the folks running the operation.Some of the sorriest livestock production I’ve seen has been on small farms.If you think about it, they have no one overseeing what they do, no real accountability or inspections.
Most farmers do a good job and do hard work for very little return.I hate to see them keep getting slammed on this site.
Meat is good for you.All things in moderation.👍
 
I did & don’t agree, not withstanding the catechism quotes.
Even though I was being only partly serious, I don’t believe most folks really understand how grazing livestock are raised.Nor do I believe “factory farms” are inherently evil or cruel to livestock.Large farms can be operated humanely, small farms can be operated inhumanely.It all depends on the folks running the operation.Some of the sorriest livestock production I’ve seen has been on small farms.If you think about it, they have no one overseeing what they do, no real accountability or inspections.
Most farmers do a good job and do hard work for very little return.I hate to see them keep getting slammed on this site.
Meat is good for you.All things in moderation.👍
I’ve have had many people try to tell me I only feel the way I do because I know nothing about farming. Trouble with that argument is I grew up as a farmer in an area where everyone else was also a farmer. I know very well what hard work it is. It is not logical to say that farmers work very hard and deserve support therefore their farming practices can never be questioned or improved. I will not support particular large-scale animal farming practices, endov, and I have seen them first hand and up close over a long time. Nor will I buy animal products from any farm without recognised accreditation or personal knowledge of their practices if I there is any way I can avoid doing so. I am finding it quite possible to live without most animal products anyway, so it’s less and less of an issue as time goes on. Many small farms actually have a fair bit of inspection and oversight if they have any sort of official organic certification or similar they want to retain.
 
Jumping in here after being off the forums for a long time! I’ve been vegetarian and “almost vegan” (don’t dissect out homemade baked good, share the traditional hot-fudge sundae with my 86 yr old Dad whenever I can, etc.) for 25 yrs now and have pretty much heard it all from both sides! I am in total agreement with Fidelia and Guitar and, btw, I am a veterinarian and SFO candidate who is acutely aware of the conditions that “factory animals” are raised in–and I see no way that can glorify their Creator!
I don’t really have anything to add to the above postings, you two have said it very well, I think:thumbsup:
Anyone mention the environmental, (human) health and world hunger effects of the Western meat-base diet? I didn’t exactly read all the posts!
Anyone read “The China Study” by Thomas(?) Campbell?
Pax et Bonum!:D**
 
Jumping in here after being off the forums for a long time! I’ve been vegetarian and “almost vegan” (don’t dissect out homemade baked good, share the traditional hot-fudge sundae with my 86 yr old Dad whenever I can, etc.) for 25 yrs now and have pretty much heard it all from both sides! I am in total agreement with Fidelia and Guitar and, btw, I am a veterinarian and SFO candidate who is acutely aware of the conditions that “factory animals” are raised in–and I see no way that can glorify their Creator!
I don’t really have anything to add to the above postings, you two have said it very well, I think:thumbsup:
Anyone mention the environmental, (human) health and world hunger effects of the Western meat-base diet? I didn’t exactly read all the posts!
Anyone read “The China Study” by Thomas(?) Campbell?
Pax et Bonum!:D**

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=326900 - I started a thread on my vegan choice as I see it fit with Catholic Social Teaching - I’d love your (name removed by moderator)ut.
 
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