Affair charge rocks cleric

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Another obvious fruit of Vatican II modernism and Liberalism hiding in the Newchurch. Our Lady of Fatima warned in her maternal love for the church that the Great Apostacy will reach to the very heights of the heirarchy and that the devil is ready for his final battle agaisnt the Church. Thank God for Tradition and the Latin Liturgy which with the assistance of the blood of the future martyrs will church be restored. Joseph
 
Priests fall into temptation and sin just like any other human being. The only thing is that when priests fall, they fall very hard. We look up to priests and look to them, when they fall it is devastating. Maybe God is cleaning house by bringing some of these situations to light.
 
Instead listening to the media hype one must say Prayers for all involved, whatever the truth maybe. The husband, the child(ren) the Monsinger and the woman. They are all human and one must not jump on their faults. It’s an unfortunate situation, that the people involved must face, not us.
 
It would appear to me that the media is doing what it does best…GOSSIPING. The last time I checked that was an offense against God and our neighbor. Apparently, the mainstream media has license to cast the first stone every time someone is suspected of going against their own principles. They no longer fulfill their duty to report news. They have become divisive propaganda machines. We must pray for them.
 
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Another obvious fruit of Vatican II modernism and Liberalism hiding in the Newchurch. Our Lady of Fatima warned in her maternal love for the church that the Great Apostacy will reach to the very heights of the heirarchy and that the devil is ready for his final battle agaisnt the Church. Thank God for Tradition and the Latin Liturgy which with the assistance of the blood of the future martyrs will church be restored. Joseph
No, it is not another fruit of Vatican II modernism and Liberalism hiding in the “Newchurch”. We’re all human- we’re all weak. You say liberals changed the Church- well, where was their faith formed? In the pre-Vatican II Church! You slam Pope Paul VI for changing the Mass (nevermind that it is in his authority as pope to do so) when his faith was formed way before Vatican II. Vatican II wasn’t a problem- it only reaffirmed things the Church has always taught- it also told people going to mass can be more spiritually rewarding if you actually pay attention to the priest’s prayers instead of just sitting there praying your rosary- you can do that at home or before or after Mass.
 
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. Vatican II wasn’t a problem- it only reaffirmed things the Church has always taught-.
The statistics say something else.
The number of nuns has dropped drastically.
Catholic schools are closing down.
Annulments have gone up from 9 in the USA in 1930 to about 61,000 per year in 1989.
Isn’t this a problem?
 
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Another obvious fruit of Vatican II modernism and Liberalism hiding in the Newchurch. Our Lady of Fatima warned in her maternal love for the church that the Great Apostacy will reach to the very heights of the heirarchy and that the devil is ready for his final battle agaisnt the Church. Thank God for Tradition and the Latin Liturgy which with the assistance of the blood of the future martyrs will church be restored. Joseph
Ah, I see. Priests never sinned before Vatican II. Ah for those good ole days before the Gates of Hell prevailed. Wait a minute, didn’t Jesus say something about that???
 
My understanding was that both he and the woman involved deny the charge. Might her husband have made it up for some reason? Or maybe I’m out of the loop.
 
Didn’t the husband hire a private gumshoe who caught them leaving a hotel on a video camera? :whistle:

And they were in different clothes from what they arrived in. :bigyikes:

Of course they could have just been on an innocent mission. But it sure was not very smart on their part. :banghead:
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The statistics say something else.
The number of nuns has dropped drastically.

Isn’t this a problem?
No. The number of secular, lay faithful has risen. Also, not so long ago, a woman who wanted to be a nun pretty much just had to want to be one (and be single) at the time and she would be admitted to the convent. It’s not so easy anymore- there’s more of a discernment and screening process- so that the applicant and the order is reasonably sure she is making the right decision. There are many families who are very devout. Things got out of hand in the 60’s and 70’s, but it was that way everywhere.
Catholic schools are closing down.

Isn’t this a problem?
No. Let the schools close- that way parishes would have more money to care for the needs of all generations, and the kids could go out into public schools and be examples of faithful Catholics and lead others to the Church. Public education is fine. Parents, and parish religious education programs can more than make up for what students miss in Catholic Schools.
Annulments have gone up from 9 in the USA in 1930 to about 61,000 per year in 1989.

Isn’t this a problem?
Yes, it’s a problem. But not on the part of the Church- marriages are either valid or they aren’t- there is no in between, and Jesus gave his authority to the apostles- whose successors are our bishops- so there are no mistakes in annulments here. Annulments have gone up because marriage is taken less seriously in society- so there are fewer valid marriages.
 
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Annulments have gone up because marriage is taken less seriously in society- so there are fewer valid marriages.
This would seem to me to be an enormous problem: namely, that since Vatican II, many Catholics do not take marriage seriously. Annulments have gone up in the USA from about 9 in 1930 to more than 61,000 in the USA in 1989. Families are breaking up and this is to the detriment of the children. If you don’t believe this and you don’t think this is aproblem, you might want to read the book: “The unexpected legacy of divorce,” by Judith Wallerstein, a lecturer at UC Berkeley. She argues tht the harm caused by family breakups such as divorce or annulment is far graver and longer lasting than had been suspected. 50,000 annulments per year since Vatican II, translates to one million broken families over a 20 year period (in one country alone).
 
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Money is relative though. New York City is an EXTREMELY expensive place to live. $70,000-$100,000 a year is a middle-class salary there. Saint Patrick’s Cathedral is probably the most famous church in the US, making the land value around it go WAY up- and making any secretary position there more than simply answering a phone call saying someone is in the hospital or wants to schedule a wedding or baptism. Even his personal secretary would have a busy job, because Msgr. Clark does so much. I’m not sure the economy is so great there either. Maybe things have improved since 9/11/01, but I know the summer afterwards people with graduate-level degrees were working in fast food- the economic situation was that bad- and I doubt it’s improved enough.

I sure hope the allegations are false.
Well, the economic situation IS a lot better, and the land values on Fifth Avenue would be high even without a cathedral.

I’ve worked in Manhattan corporate law firms since 1997, and $70K-$100 would be a great salary for a secretary in one of those places. For an archdiocesan secretary, that would be a phenomenal amount of money–regardless of how busy she is. St. Patrick’s has requests in the pews talking about how collections are down, and repairs are needed for the cathedral… if they ARE paying secretaries that much, then pay cuts are in order.
 
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