Affinity for Gabriel but not Mary?

[katpants]

I have a special affinity to Archangel Gabriel. I just do. Is that weird or creepy?

I don’t have a relationship to Mary per se…I try but there’s just like…nothing there.

Any ideas…thoughts?

Thanks!

kat

 

[peter26]

Well angels live in the presence of God so having an affinity with a being that is close to God is no bad thing. Many people seem to have an affinity to St Michael the Archangel for instance.

 

[USMC_Convert]

A love of God’s angels is no bad thing, however I would strongly suggest picking up a copy of Saint Louis de Monfort’s True Devotion to Mary. Devotion to Our Blessed Mother bears the best fruits, Jesus!

Anyone not devoted to our Mother has an infinitely more difficult time in life than those who are…

 

[SnowAngels]

A love of God’s angels is no bad thing, however I would strongly suggest picking up a copy of Saint Louis de Monfort’s True Devotion to Mary. Devotion to Our Blessed Mother bears the best fruits, Jesus!

Anyone not devoted to our Mother has an infinitely more difficult time in life than those who are…

Well said!

 

[dshix]

A love of God’s angels is no bad thing, however I would strongly suggest picking up a copy of Saint Louis de Monfort’s True Devotion to Mary. Devotion to Our Blessed Mother bears the best fruits, Jesus!

Anyone not devoted to our Mother has an infinitely more difficult time in life than those who are…

 

[James248]

A love of God’s angels is no bad thing, however I would strongly suggest picking up a copy of Saint Louis de Monfort’s True Devotion to Mary. Devotion to Our Blessed Mother bears the best fruits, Jesus!

Anyone not devoted to our Mother has an infinitely more difficult time in life than those who are….

Well there’s Paul, Peter, Mark, Timothy,…

 

[dshix]

Well there’s Paul, Peter, Mark, Timothy,…

What point are you trying to make, exactly?

 

[James248]

What point are you trying to make, exactly?

Those guys didn’t practice Marian devotion and they still made it to Heaven.

 

[dshix]

Those guys didn’t practice Marian devotion and they still made it to Heaven.

First: You actually do not know that those men did not have devotion to the Mother of God. In fact, she still lived upon the Earth, and some if not all of them probably met her in person and were awed at her holiness. But given that she had not yet been crowned Queen of Heaven, her role as Mediatrix of all graces was not yet begun, so Marian devotion at that time would be different than it is now.

Second: The poster appears to have been using some hyperbole by saying it is “infinitely more difficult” to live a holy life without Mary’s help - but the point stands. Mary is the easiest path to Jesus, and thus, to Heaven. She is our mediator to the Mediator. She is the Mediatrix of all Graces. Thus, someone who does not practice devotion to her is just making life difficult for himself; though it is not impossible to attain Heaven, it is certainly not as easy. And additionally, if someone does not practice devotion to Mary by actual rejection or by scorn of Mary, he is in danger of not making it to Heaven at all, because God does not suffer anyone to show hatred towards His mother.

 

[USMC_Convert]

Those guys didn’t practice Marian devotion and they still made it to Heaven.

ROTFL!!!

Well as I said it is not impossible the get to heaven without devotion to the Blessed Mother, just infinitely harder.

However, let me ask you something, what proof do you have that they were not devoted to the Blessed Mother? Your profile says Catholic, do you know that the Catholic Church teaches, as handed down from tradition from the beginning, that the apostles drew inspiration and comfort from the Blessed Mother during their trials and tribulations? They in fact all met after her death:

“The Apostles carried the couch, and laid down her [Mary’s] precious and holy body in Gethsemane in a new tomb. And behold, a perfume of sweet savour came forth out of the sepulcher of Our Lady and Mother of God; and for three days the voices of invisible angels were heard glorifying Christ our God, who had been born of her.”

That sounds like devotion to me!

However let us look at what a few other Saints have said:

St. Bonaventure: The angels never stop calling to her “Holy, Holy, Holy Mary, Virgin Mother of God”

St. Augustine:

St. Michael is the most eager to pay her homage

“All the chosen ones are hidden in the womb of the Blessed Virgin, during this life, to be made into the image of the Son of God.”

St John Damascene: “To be devout to thee, O Blessed Virgin, is a weapon of salvation God gives to those He wants to save.”

St. Francis: St. Francis was in ecstasy and shown a ladder that reached heaven, the Blessed Mother was at the top and he was told he must go through her to enter eternal bliss.

St. Bernard: “When you want to offer anything to God, be sure to offer it through the most agreeable and most worthy hands of Mary-unless you wish it to be rejected.”

But let us not consider the Saints, lets look at scripture and common sense. Would any King be happy with a slave who was not devoted to His Queen? Forget not that scripture tells us in both 1 Kings and Revelations that she is Queen of heaven and earth. Would any King be happy with a slave who was not devoted to His mother, spouse or daughter? Remember that is what the Blessed Virgin Mary truly is, she is the daughter of the Father, mother of the Son and spouse of the Holy Spirit.

 

[James248]

ROTFL!!!

Well as I said it is not impossible the get to heaven without devotion to the Blessed Mother, just infinitely harder.

However, let me ask you something, what proof do you have that they were not devoted to the Blessed Mother? Your profile says Catholic, do you know that the Catholic Church teaches, as handed down from tradition from the beginning, that the apostles drew inspiration and comfort from the Blessed Mother during their trials and tribulations? They in fact all met after her death:

“The Apostles carried the couch, and laid down her [Mary’s] precious and holy body in Gethsemane in a new tomb. And behold, a perfume of sweet savour came forth out of the sepulcher of Our Lady and Mother of God; and for three days the voices of invisible angels were heard glorifying Christ our God, who had been born of her.”

That sounds like devotion to me!

However let us look at what a few other Saints have said:

St. Bonaventure: The angels never stop calling to her “Holy, Holy, Holy Mary, Virgin Mother of God”

St. Augustine:

St. Michael is the most eager to pay her homage

“All the chosen ones are hidden in the womb of the Blessed Virgin, during this life, to be made into the image of the Son of God.”

St John Damascene: “To be devout to thee, O Blessed Virgin, is a weapon of salvation God gives to those He wants to save.”

St. Francis: St. Francis was in ecstasy and shown a ladder that reached heaven, the Blessed Mother was at the top and he was told he must go through her to enter eternal bliss.

St. Bernard: “When you want to offer anything to God, be sure to offer it through the most agreeable and most worthy hands of Mary-unless you wish it to be rejected.”

I believe all those things. What I don’t believe is that a person not devoted to Mary is automatically damned, or a person devoted to Mary is automatically saved. Of all the references to Mary in the Bible, Paul makes only one. Peter has none.

The way is Jesus her Son. Nothing else is required except following His teachings.

 

[James248]

First: You actually do not know that those men did not have devotion to the Mother of God. In fact, she still lived upon the Earth, and some if not all of them probably met her in person and were awed at her holiness. But given that she had not yet been crowned Queen of Heaven, her role as Mediatrix of all graces was not yet begun, so Marian devotion at that time would be different than it is now.

Second: The poster appears to have been using some hyperbole by saying it is “infinitely more difficult” to live a holy life without Mary’s help - but the point stands. Mary is the easiest path to Jesus, and thus, to Heaven. **She is our mediator to the Mediator. She is the Mediatrix of all Graces. Thus, someone who does not practice devotion to her is just making life difficult for himself; though it is not impossible to attain Heaven, it is certainly not as easy. ** And additionally, if someone does not practice devotion to Mary by actual rejection or by scorn of Mary, he is in danger of not making it to Heaven at all, because God does not suffer anyone to show hatred towards His mother.

So if a person decides to go to the King, the Mediator, it’s going to be difficult for him to enter Heaven?

 

[dshix]

So if a person decides to go to the King, the Mediator, it’s going to be difficult for him to enter Heaven?

You changed my comparative adjective into an ordinary adjective. I said “more difficult”.

And yes, it is a fact: it is more difficult to attain perfection by trying to go directly to Christ than by going to Christ through His Mother.

I advise you not to treat with these matters with the scorn that is evident in your posts - it is dangerous.

 

[James248]

You changed my comparative adjective into an ordinary adjective. I said “more difficult”.

And yes, it is a fact: it is more difficult to attain perfection by trying to go directly to Christ than by going to Christ through His Mother.

I advise you not to treat with these matters with the scorn that is evident in your posts - it is dangerous.

Scorn? Those were your words. The Way to Heaven is Christ. Those who go through Him will find blessing, even while undergoing misunderstanding and callumny from people like yourself.

 

[dshix]

Scorn? Those were your words.

You are the one who rolled your eyes at what I said. “Scorn” was a word that came to mind when I considered a person rolling his eyes - would you like to suggest a different one?

The Way to Heaven is Christ. Those who go through Him will find blessing, even while undergoing misunderstanding and callumny from people like yourself.

Of course, I do not deny what you say. But are you rejecting Mary’s role as the mediator between Christ and us?

 

[James248]

You are the one who rolled your eyes at what I said. “Scorn” was a word that came to mind when I considered a person rolling his eyes - would you like to suggest a different one?

Usually one does that when someone doesn’t get the point a person’s making.

Of course, I do not deny what you say. But are you rejecting Mary’s role as the mediator between Christ and us?

Are you denying Jesus’ role as THE Mediator between God and man?

 

[dshix]

Are you denying Jesus’ role as THE Mediator between God and man?

Of course not. You could have read my earlier post to know that.

Now answer the question.

 

[James248]

Of course not. You could have read my earlier post to know that.

Now answer the question.

What question? Oh right, you want to label me a heretic because I don’t share your beliefs. Well here is my answer: no official Church dogma has named her Mediatrix of all Graces. The term has been avoided. So if you and UCMS want to label me a heretic, go ahead.

 

[dshix]

What question? Oh right, you want to label me a heretic because I don’t share your beliefs. Well here is my answer: no official Church dogma has named her Mediatrix of all Graces. The term has been avoided. So if you and UCMS want to label me a heretic, go ahead.

I am not interested in a combat, nor did I ever call you heretic - you are the one who introduced that word, not me.

Mary’s important role in bringing us to Christ has rarely been denied in the Church’s history, and her titles as “Mediatrix of all Graces” and “Co-Redemptrix” are well founded in Church Tradition. Nearly all of the Church’s dogmas began as doctrines which were believed by the faithful, but not “defined” officially by the Church until later.

I can only say that I am sorry for you, that you are missing out on such an important and useful part of Catholic belief - the road to perfection is significantly harder when one does not open himself to Mary’s assistance.

 

[James248]

I am not interested in a combat, nor did I ever call you heretic - you are the one who introduced that word, not me.

Mary’s important role in bringing us to Christ has rarely been denied in the Church’s history, and her titles as “Mediatrix of all Graces” and “Co-Redemptrix” are well founded in Church Tradition. Nearly all of the Church’s dogmas began as doctrines which were believed by the faithful, but not “defined” officially by the Church until later.

I can only say that I am sorry for you, that you are missing out on such an important and useful part of Catholic belief - the road to perfection is significantly harder when one does not open himself to Mary’s assistance.

I’m sorry for you because you criticize me for going to her Son.