Affirmative Action

[Anglican77]

A discussion started about affirmative action on a previous thread and I’d like to continue it.

I’m curious about the thought process of those opposed to affirmative action. For those who oppose it, are you under the impression that the effects of 300+ years of slavery plus an extra 100 years of oppression have been erased in the last 40 years? While I do believe things have improved tremendously, I definitely don’t believe that true equality exists.

I agree that affirmative action should not be the answer. We should improve the schools, strengthen communities, etc. However, those are not things that can be done over night. Therefore, an interim solution is needed. If not affirmative action, what do you propose?

 

[Fidelis]

As a 48 year old Hispanic who has literally live the last 40 years of Affirmative Action (AA) and has seen the good, bad and the ugly first hand, let me offer my personal observations.

First, one must define what one means by AA so we are all talking about the same thing. I don’t consider quotas, reverse-racial preference and blindly throwing money at the problem to be AA. It is insulting and derogatory to those who recieve those things and America’s 40 years of experience shows it doesn’t work.

If you consider AA the “streamlining the process” so that those who have aptitude and who work hard can be exposed to opportunity, and remove obstacles so they can be on a level playing field, I’m all for it. No special favoritism: just give me the rules, offer me the tools, show me the goal line, and get out of my way.

A huge impediment to people lifting themselves up is the encouragement given to those who wish to remain ghetto-ized. What I mean by this is many of our Hispanic and Black neighborhoods have taken on a thug culture which is glorified by movies and music. Academics are loathe to tell these people the truth: if you act and talk and dress like a thug, I’m sorry, no one is going to want to hire you, no matter how smart otherwise you are. Don’t like it? Stay in the ghetto or the barrio where everyone talks and looks like you. And that’s what a lot of people do.

When I think of the people I grew up with and the difference between the ones who bettered themselves and the one’s who didn’t, the main difference I see is that the ones who did are the ones who found out there was more to the world than the street where they lived. Their parents or some wise teacher encouraged to explore the world through art, history, and literature without pandering to their ethnicity. On the other hand, I literally know people who have never left the old neighborhood because they don’t see any reason to. They don’t read or go to museums or take classes or discuss anything deeper than cars, babies, and sports. Literally.

To me the best kind of AA is to broaden a child’s horizons, give him or her confidence in their ability, and lead them (and their parents) through what is many times uncharted water for anyone else they know.

 

[Rand_Al_Thor]

Peace be with you!

AA is racism, plain and simple. In fact, it is the definition of racism: someone is given preferential treatment over someone else based on the color of their skin.

I realize that not everything has completely improved, but there is NO REASON for AA. AA simply causes people of color to not try as hard. If I could get into college or get a job doing half the work…well, why should I bother to do the work if I’m going to get it anyway. And those bad habits will carry over into college and/or work. What we need to do is work on education, not just throw scholarships and jobs at people.

If blacks, asians, and hispanics can recieve AA, why not Irish people like myself? We built half the railroad. We were discriminated against. We were denied jobs based on our ethnicity. But guess what? I don’t want preferential treatment based on my race because that would be…survey says…racist! And to prove this, I await other posters to come in and tell me that Irish people weren’t discriminated against or, if they were, that “it’s different”.

In Christ,
Rand

 

[Kirane]

Rand Al'Thor:

If blacks, asians, and hispanics can recieve AA,

Apparently you are ignorant and know nothing about the quota system in effect in the universities in California, such as UC Berkeley and UCLA where asians are discriminated against by the setting up of quotas restricting their admission. They have to score higher than other racial groups in order to get admitted.

 

[Kirane]

Rand Al'Thor:

If blacks, asians, and hispanics can recieve AA,

I believe that the individual who wrote this is a know nothing who is ignorant of the situation faced by Asian Americans:
For example:
“In today’s highly-competitive college admissions environment, many Asian-American students are discovering that Affirmative Action and other race-based quota systems are wreaking havoc on their higher education plans. For some time now, Asian-American students have been subject to discrimination in the college admissions process as selective schools try to limit their numbers under the guise of “diversity”. These policies have far-reaching implications for Asian-American students, who are responding in creative and sometimes odd ways to get around these barriers. While it is common knowledge that Asian students face higher admissions standards than any other racial group, the most frequently cited problems for college-bound Asian-Americans are the invisible college admissions quotas applied to high schools whose student bodies have large numbers of Asians. Because of the overabundance of high-performing Asian students, many educators and parents believe that top schools such as Stanford, Princeton and UC Berkeley willfully restrict the number of admits from high schools with an disproportionate number of Asian students. It is alleged that these colleges surreptitiously favor students from schools in predominantly white, suburban areas in the admissions process.”
Asian Americans and Affirmative Action
August 3rd, 2005
The American Thinker

 

[wjp984]

Affirmative action is bad since it promotes racism since people will be resentful of others getting prefernetial treatment. Also, is it not isulting to minority gorupls who legitiamtely get there without AA?

 

[vz71]

I find affirmative action to be blatent racism as well.

I cannot see how it could be looked at as anything but racism.

Z

 

[candicami]

I see and understand the points made by everyone thus far on this thread. I think that Kirane makes it clear how affirmative action is not working in colleges because of quotas that are put on various ethnicities. If colleges and jobs were accepting and hiring people based on performance rather than quota’s that need to be filled than there would be many things that would change (for better or worse depending on how you look at it). We would have the best minds becoming the best doctors, teachers, politicians, engineers, and whatever other profession you want to mention. I think that there are many ways this can work and still be diverse for everyone, but it starts so much earlier than college and employers.

Looking closer, it becomes somewhat clear why AA was started in the first place. It is in our elementary and secondary schools where the inequality exists. As long as children in lower income neighborhoods are not given the same opportunities as children in higher income neighborhoods, then it will always appear that only higher income children are the ones able to get into colleges and get the good jobs. I believe that every parent wants the best for their children. But it is clear that not every parent can provide in the same way for children.

I wish I knew the answer as to how to fix or remedy the problem that starts out when children are young and born into the neighborhood/level of opportunity that they are. I do not, however think that AA is the answer to our problems, having witnessed it from both sides.

 

[vluvski]

Kirane:

For some time now, Asian-American students have been subject to discrimination in the college admissions process as selective schools try to limit their numbers under the guise of “diversity”.

This is precisely why affirmative action as implemented by quotas and preferential treatment is not affirmative but negative. I find it extremely offensive that as a woman I can “edge out” a white male with comparable or perhaps even slightly better qualifications in the name of diversity.

I agree with Fidelis. People need tools to succeed and a level playing field, not tools to cheat with a slanted playing field.

If you want to look at college admissions and give a second chance to people who come from less competitive schools in rural or urban areas, fine, but don’t let that prevent the middle class white person who has worked his tail off to be successful in high school suffer because of it. Mainly people just need something to aspire to. That is the only difference I see between the two groups.

And once you’re in college and beyond, it is positively absurd to provide special opportunities. I can get the exactly same education as the white, black, purple, neon person sitting next to me, and there is nothing except their own mentality holding them back from being the absolute best they can at what they want to do.

IMO, diversity is pretty much a crock. The “diversity” of the company should be reflective only of the “diversity” of people who want to work hard to get there and stay there. If that happens to be all Jamaican rastas, fine. If it happens to be entirely Jews, that’s fine too. All black, all white, all Hispanic… frankly I really don’t care! I just want them to be there because they deserve it, not because the company photo will look better with a dark-skinned guy here and a woman looking really trendy with her glasses over here…

 

[LittleRose]

I think the racial quotas commonly associated with affirmative action are outdated and even insulting. When my father applied for college (an unnamed number of years ago) and began applying for jobs, his ethinc background clearly worked against him, and he might have been turned away from college and from some employment opportunities based on that, and not on his qualifications, which were very sound. Thanks to the affirmative action that was in place, many people of color from his generation have been able to make themselves into successful professionals, and send their own children to college. To tell them that, despite this obvious success, that they and their kids still can’t get along without Uncle Sam stepping in for them is ludicrous.

Today, I rarely hear or see any instance in which my dad’s race impacts his opportunities to do his job. When he applies for a job, he is taken seriously, and the people he works with do not use his race to question his abilities. Nobody has ever used my race to question my professional status (At least, not to my knowledge.) I believe that thanks to the efforts of those in previous generations, people are getting more used to seeing minorities in positions that require education. Does this mean racism is gone? No. But we are making progress.

Based on my own observations, I have come to theorize that race is something people notice more when people from lower socio-economic classes are involved. I have observed that people are less likely to assume that race is a factor in another person’s behavior if that person appears to be middle class, or higher. Whereas a person of color driving a dilapidated vehicle is apt to have is color noticed more. This is not just an issue for non-whites. (think of racial epithets such as “cracker” and “white trash”). A man in a suit driving a nice sedan who cuts you off in traffic is just arrogant and rude. If he is unshaven, driving a delapidated car, and wearing a an old flannel shirt, well… Imagine him with various shades of skin and think about it for a second…

I would propose the following:

Instead of race-based affirmative action, which at this point seems to be aggravating more racial tension than it is eliminating, there should be more attention paid to helping highly qualified candidates from financially disadvantaged backgrounds to get into and pay for college. if it is true that most poor people are people of color (an assumption I find disgusting, but it exists in people of every shade) then a program to help poor students would automatically take care of minorities. At least we can stop admitting people to college or hiring them because they are pretty good for a girl, or a person of whatever race they belong to.

 

[Rand_Al_Thor]

Kirane:

I believe that the individual who wrote this is a know nothing who is ignorant of the situation faced by Asian Americans:
For example:
“In today’s highly-competitive college admissions environment, many Asian-American students are discovering that Affirmative Action and other race-based quota systems are wreaking havoc on their higher education plans. For some time now, Asian-American students have been subject to discrimination in the college admissions process as selective schools try to limit their numbers under the guise of “diversity”. These policies have far-reaching implications for Asian-American students, who are responding in creative and sometimes odd ways to get around these barriers. While it is common knowledge that Asian students face higher admissions standards than any other racial group, the most frequently cited problems for college-bound Asian-Americans are the invisible college admissions quotas applied to high schools whose student bodies have large numbers of Asians. Because of the overabundance of high-performing Asian students, many educators and parents believe that top schools such as Stanford, Princeton and UC Berkeley willfully restrict the number of admits from high schools with an disproportionate number of Asian students. It is alleged that these colleges surreptitiously favor students from schools in predominantly white, suburban areas in the admissions process.”
Asian Americans and Affirmative Action
August 3rd, 2005
The American Thinker

Peace be with you!

Thank you for the insult. That was very big of you.

You have no idea what I was saying. The people that are for affirmative action are for affirmative action for all minority groups. That was what I was referring to when I said “if [those groups] can recieve affirmative action”.

You are proving my point about affirmative action. Based on the quote you provided, you are arguing that because Asian students are sometimes discriminated against that Asians should recieve special treatment. Why not argue that they should recieve EQUAL treatment??? Why should minorities recieve special treatment? It doesn’t make sense. If I were black, Asian, hispanic, whatever, I would by insulted by AA. It would make me feel like this country didn’t believe I could do it on my own and that I needed standards lowered for me.

The reason that I am against AA is because…and call me crazy…I am against all forms of racism and I support equal treatment for everyone. And don’t give me that b.s. about Berkley…about half the student body is Asian. Nice try.

In Christ,
Rand

 

[urbana]

I personally am strongly against racially based affirmative action, but for socioeconomically based affirmative action.

Racially based affirmative action only makes sense if there is active discrimination on the basis of race. In my opinion, nowdays the majority of discrimination on the basis of race is not active discrimination, but implicit discrimination based upon unconcious stereotypes and opinions. Racially based affirmative action, risks enforcing the stereotypes and opinions that cause this implicit discrimination, especially anytime that individuals feel that they were passed over in favor of someone of a different race.

While implicit discrimination means there is some racial handicap, the primary handicap nowdays is not race, but the circumstances in which one grew up. Yet, as far as I can tell, frequently racially based affirmative action benefits most those who have suffered the fewest drawbacks due to their race. Who is going to submit a better scholarship or college application: the black kid from the inner city with poor parent(s), or the black kid from an affluent suburb, with college educated parents? Additionally, racially based affirmative action does nothing to help the unfortunate individuals of non-disadvantaged races who happen to be themselves disadvantaged. Is the poor inner city black kid really all that much more worthy of help than the poor inner city white kid?

On the other hand, socioeconomically based affirmative action, done properly tends to benefit those who are the most disadvantaged. Nor does it have the drawbacks of perpetuating racial stereotypes.

I think socioeconomic affirmative action is most easily implemented in colleges. (Ideally, we would improve inner city schools, and prevent socioeconomic status from ever being a handicap, but I cannot foresee that happening.) If I were in charge of admission for Harvard, I would ignore race completely. However, I would consider socioeconomic status, somewhat that of your household, and especially that of the school district(s) in which you received your schooling. Who do you think shows more natural aptitude:

Student A:
took 2 of 10 advanced classes at their high school
has college educated parents who can help him learn, and allow him to focus on his schoolwork
has a SAT score of 1470 in a school that has a few dozen scores in the 1500’s

Student B:
took 1 of 1 advanced classes at their high school
already has more schooling than his parents and must spend hours each day caring for his siblings or earning money to help the family
has an SAT score of 1400, in a school that averages 700

I think student B has more potential, and deserves the Harvard education. However, even so, I would not admit him immediately to Harvard… he doesn’t have adequate preparation (not his fault), and would likely flunk out or at best struggle through and graduate in the lower end of the class. Instead, I woud inform him that he had a spot reserved in the following years class at Harvard, contingent upon his completion of a year of community college (with financial aid set up to help him with that too). That year would be time to spend remedying deficiencies in his preparation, high school 3 R’s if necessary, allowing him the time to enter unhandicapped by his poor high school education.

 

[Kirane]

Rand Al'Thor:

Thank you for the insult.

Obviously, you don’t know what your are talking about. First you ask the question: “If blacks, asians, and hispanics can recieve [sic] AA, why not Irish people like myself?” The implication here is that asian Americans receive AA, which is false and in fact the reverse is true - they do not receive the benefit of AA, they are discriminated against because of it.
So I must insist that a person say what is accurate about Asian Americans and not try to deceive people into thinking that Asian Americans receive the benefit of AA, when the reverse is true, namely that because of their superior achievements in high schools over all other racial groups, they are discriminated against. And it is not fair to place blacks, asians and hispanics in the same category.
Here is a question for you:
Why do you place asians, blacks and hispanics in the same category? What basis do you have for doing this? I really don’t think that you know what you are talking about when it comes to discrimination against Asian Americans in the entrance requirements at American universities.

 

[vz71]

Kirane:

Here is a question for you:
Why do you place asians, blacks and hispanics in the same category? What basis do you have for doing this? I really don’t think that you know what you are talking about when it comes to discrimination against Asian Americans in the entrance requirements at American universities.

Perhaps because each of these groups has been on the receiving end of AA???

But you are right, these groups should not be lumped together. Hence another reason AA should be outlawed.

Z

 

[Kirane]

vz71:

Perhaps because each of these groups has been on the receiving end of AA???
Z

Please read post number 5, to see why Asian Americans have been discriminated against by America’s top universities and it is not right to place them in the same category as groups which are given preferential treatment in admissions to some of the top schools in the USA. This leaves a false impression that Asian Americans are receiving preferential treatment when they are not.

 

[BlestOne]

Look…I don’t know of anybody that hasn’t been discriminated against. Does that make it right? No…but think of it this way… Both are equally wrong in their own way.

I am a woman in the communications electronics field for years. I found discrimination both ways…I had people that wouldn’t hire me because of my gender and I had people that did hire me just because of my gender. I was more insulted that I was hired to be their token “afirmative action” quota. Once I had the job, I had to prove myself over and over again, work twice as hard to be considered half as good. I actually had coworkers start a discussion on electron theory vs hole theory (opposing theories on how electricity works) just to see if I knew my stuff. At the same job, a “new” guy started after me and actually said he was surprized they would hire a “woman” for the position…why? Do men have some electronic gene that women don’t? At the same time, quotas are bad too. True story at a local med school…back in the early 80’s there was a quota system for med school. A white male had to get a 98 or better on the entrance exam to get in. A white woman had to get a 93 and a black man had to get an 89 on the same test. Here is the kicker… a black female only had to get a 69 to get in. Now I ask you, if you knew this and had a choice of doctor would you choose a black female or a white male? Now, if you are a black female and scored 100 on the test how would anyone know you weren’t just let in on quota, but truly deserved to be there? They wouldn’t now would they. Quotas are an injustice to everyone.
Discrimination can be based on many things not just race, as in my case. But consider also, why is it more difficult for an attractive buxom woman to be taken seriously? Does ample breasts reduce brain cells? We are so judged by our looks in this society! I agree with Fidelis and vluvski, that said that they are against quotas but they just want equal opportunity. That is all I have ever asked for too. As for the Irish poster that asked about discrimination because he is Irish…yes at one time the Irish were discriminated against, but it is virtually impossible to look at a cauccasion person and definitively know their nationality these days. Now, look at an Asian or African…no doubt there huh? How about male and female…pretty easy most of the time right? That is why Irish do not need AA anymore.

I also think diversity quotas are **** too. If we are to be so concerned for equality we have to be blind to race, gender and ethnicity. I have a question though…Don’t you think white males have a reason to be mad at all this too? I think so, after all, the evils of society have been blamed on them, they suffer perhaps more than other segments of population at this time.

 

[Brian_C]

Discrimination is wrong, we can all agree. But we’ve done so many backflips in the name of equality that it has gotten a little skewed. I work for the federal government. We have a very agressive affirmative action policy in my agency, the US Forest Service, b/c it has traditionally been dominated by white males.

However, it has become increasingly difficult to be hired as a professional (forester, biologist, achaeologist, botonist, etc.) if you are a white male, no matter your qualifications. I have personally been on hiring teams where we have simply tossed to the wayside several qualified applicants in the name of hiring a minority or female. It’s depressing. As long as a minority or female candidate appears to meet the minimal standards we need for a job, pretty much have to rank them in our top 5. About the only way a white male can come out on top is either if they are a veteran (vets get very preferential treatment) or if there are no qualified minority or female candidates.

Diversity is important. It has done a lot of good and given a lot of great people a chance at advancement. But it has been dictated in such a heavy-handed fashion that it has left a lot of resentment in white employees. It also has led to frustration as many of our white emplyees are extremely hesitant to correct or discipline minority employees in fear that a greivence will be filed accusing them of discrimination. It’s a sad state and I pray it gets better. I don’t think we should be responsible for all the other failings of govt and society that have left minorities at a distict disadvantage in many cases. But there’s got to be a better way. I fear we will never be a truly colorblind society as long as we are forced to acknowledge our differences.

My supervisor (district ranger) is a black male (who loves Bill O’Reilly!) and my supervisor’s supervisor (forest supervisor) is a black female. It’s something I am sure the Civil Rights generation never thought it would see. It’s something I never thought I would see growing up in a small town in the rural South. They are certainly doing their respective jobs very well considering the biases they had to overcome. My ranger has gone to the mat for me and my resource area several times. I certainly have no problems with him be he black, blue, green or gray.

However, his generation seems to have a keen sense of where they came from. I fear that the younger minority employees we are hiring haven’t got that. Many of them don’t seem to care how they got there and don’t seem to grasp the accomodation that has been made. It’s depressing, but perhaps it’s a sign of sucessful integration into society as a whole that they don’t feel the need to prove themselves. But every time they do falter, it only provides more resentment of the process that got them there. Sadly, yes, discrimination does exist still, but I fear the current method of A A needs some work.

 

[Rand_Al_Thor]

Kirane:

Obviously, you don’t know what your are talking about. First you ask the question: “If blacks, asians, and hispanics can recieve [sic] AA, why not Irish people like myself?” The implication here is that asian Americans receive AA, which is false and in fact the reverse is true - they do not receive the benefit of AA, they are discriminated against because of it.
So I must insist that a person say what is accurate about Asian Americans and not try to deceive people into thinking that Asian Americans receive the benefit of AA, when the reverse is true, namely that because of their superior achievements in high schools over all other racial groups, they are discriminated against. And it is not fair to place blacks, asians and hispanics in the same category.
Here is a question for you:
Why do you place asians, blacks and hispanics in the same category? What basis do you have for doing this? I really don’t think that you know what you are talking about when it comes to discrimination against Asian Americans in the entrance requirements at American universities.

Peace be with you!

You’re not understanding what I’m saying. I don’t think you even read my last post.

I said that the reason I put all three of those groups in the same sentance (NOT the same category) is because each of those groups recieves some sort of affirmative action. That’s all there was to it.

Give me a break about how much Asian students are discriminated against at universities. I have many Asian friends at my university (both Asian-American and Asian, as in from Asia) who would strongly disagree with you that they are discriminated against. You said in one of your posts that Berkley and UCLA are two schools that discriminate against Asians. Guess what? BERKLEY AND UCLA HAVE THE TOP PERCENTAGE OF ASIANS OUT OF ANY SCHOOLS IN THE COUNTRY. ABOUT HALF OF EACH STUDENT BODY IS ASIAN. Please tell me how that is discrimination.

You keep saying the entrance requirements are harder. You have yet to provide a single shred of evidence, so I don’t believe it. Not only would that be highly illegal (and I really doubt any university would place themselves in the position to get the cr*p sued out of them on the basis of racial discrimination; there are plenty of organizations that are VERY good at winning those kinds of cases), but the numbers speak for themselves. The only two schools you mentioned have more Asians than any other schools in the country.

Also, please tell me why AA is the answer. Why not just give EVERYONE an equal chance? Doesn’t that make more sense? Isn’t that more fair?

In Christ,
Rand

 

[Rand_Al_Thor]

Brian_C:

Discrimination is wrong, we can all agree. But we’ve done so many backflips in the name of equality that it has gotten a little skewed. I work for the federal government. We have a very agressive affirmative action policy in my agency, the US Forest Service, b/c it has traditionally been dominated by white males.

However, it has become increasingly difficult to be hired as a professional (forester, biologist, achaeologist, botonist, etc.) if you are a white male, no matter your qualifications. I have personally been on hiring teams where we have simply tossed to the wayside several qualified applicants in the name of hiring a minority or female. It’s depressing. As long as a minority or female candidate appears to meet the minimal standards we need for a job, pretty much have to rank them in our top 5. About the only way a white male can come out on top is either if they are a veteran (vets get very preferential treatment) or if there are no qualified minority or female candidates.

Diversity is important. It has done a lot of good and given a lot of great people a chance at advancement. But it has been dictated in such a heavy-handed fashion that it has left a lot of resentment in white employees. It also has led to frustration as many of our white emplyees are extremely hesitant to correct or discipline minority employees in fear that a greivence will be filed accusing them of discrimination. It’s a sad state and I pray it gets better. I don’t think we should be responsible for all the other failings of govt and society that have left minorities at a distict disadvantage in many cases. But there’s got to be a better way. I fear we will never be a truly colorblind society as long as we are forced to acknowledge our differences.

My supervisor (district ranger) is a black male (who loves Bill O’Reilly!) and my supervisor’s supervisor (forest supervisor) is a black female. It’s something I am sure the Civil Rights generation never thought it would see. It’s something I never thought I would see growing up in a small town in the rural South. They are certainly doing their respective jobs very well considering the biases they had to overcome. My ranger has gone to the mat for me and my resource area several times. I certainly have no problems with him be he black, blue, green or gray.

However, his generation seems to have a keen sense of where they came from. I fear that the younger minority employees we are hiring haven’t got that. Many of them don’t seem to care how they got there and don’t seem to grasp the accomodation that has been made. It’s depressing, but perhaps it’s a sign of sucessful integration into society as a whole that they don’t feel the need to prove themselves. But every time they do falter, it only provides more resentment of the process that got them there. Sadly, yes, discrimination does exist still, but I fear the current method of A A needs some work.

Peace be with you!

See, now there are some types of jobs for which AA is just a bad idea (and I think that many Forestry Service jobs would fall under this category too). I am going to be a police officer (I’ll be applying in the next year as soon as I get out of college), and I want ONLY the best watching my back, be they white, black, hispanic, Asian, Arab, Martian, whatever. There is absolutely no room in this kind of job to give away positions just so that you can meet a certain quota. Same goes for firefighters, doctors, surgeons, EMTs, ect. You cannot afford to have a less capable person in this type of job because someone’s life is depending on you being the best and able to save them. If the best happens to be a black person, then hire them. If the best happens to be a white person, hire them. If the best happens to be an Asian person, hire them.

It’s funny how people will call me racist because I DON’T think people should be discriminated against because of their race.

In Christ,
Rand

 

[Kirane]

Rand Al'Thor:

Give me a break about how much Asian students are discriminated against at universities.

You continue to mislead and show your ignorance concerning discrimination against Asian American students at American universities. Here is the proof:
" At the University of California at Los Angeles, an internal memo from the Director of Admissions said the campus "will endeavor to curb the decline of Caucasian studentsi’.'The memo went on to predict that Asian-Americans would begin to express concern as their numbers declined. At Harvard University, 12 percent of Asian-American applicants are admitted contrasted with an overall admissions rate of 15.2 percent, despite the fact that Asian-Americans average higher grades and SAT scores than other students - 112 points higher in 1982. Admitting Discrimination. Amid complaints from Asian-Americans, the University of California at Berkeley initiated an internal study to determine whether bias against Asian applicants existed. Chancellor Heyman later admitted the school’s policies caused a decline in Asian-American undergraduate enrollment stating, “It is clear that decisions made in the admissions process indisputably had a disproportionate impact on Asians.” Ttat is academic gobbledygook for: “We discriminated.” "
see:
new.heritage.org/Research/PoliticalPhilosophy/HL216.cfm
Asians have been discriminated against all along in the USA. For another example, were Irish Americans ever placed in concentration camps in the USA, as Japanese Americans were during WWII?