After Easter Mass this morning being confronted by liberals.

[bostonboy23]

Malkin:

It’s not OK to reinvent the words and change the words, and Canada has problems of its own, partly because the Canadian National Council of Bishops was simply disobedient for several years. They even went so far as to refuse to publish and teach Humanae Vitae when it Pope Paul VI Promulgated it in 1967.

I’m sure that Council is still getting over that problem and needs all the help and encouragement for obedience and submission we can give them. that’s one reason several of us joined in the Letter Writing Campaign on behalf of Bishop Henry of Alberta a couple of years ago when he was being harrased by the “Human Rights Commission”…

No one should be told to “Get over it” on either side, and that includes the “Progressives” when they’re wrong and trying to distort the Teaching of the Church. At the same time, we need to work on our timing and our approach so that those we approach will listen to us and will be in more of a mood to accept what we have to say. As St. Paul said, We’re to “Speak the truth in love”. That doesn’t mean collaring some poor soul as he’s hurrying from one place to another - It might mean volunteering to give him a ride or buying him lunch or asking if we can make an appointment to talk later…

Ask yourself if those who are “attacking you” are attacking you for “Being reverent” or if there is something else such as Sinful Pharisaical Pride - Please make sure you do a good examination of conscience to make sure the problem isn’t “On your side of the street”. If that’s not the case, PRAY and ask QUIETLY if there isn’t something that’s bothering them when you do what you do. PRAY FIRST!

Remember, It’s not our job to “make a stand”. If your pastor refuses to do the Liturgy in conformity with the Norms as set forth within the GIRM and in a manner consistent with the guidelines set by the Congregation for Divine Worship and Discipline of the Sacraments, and your Bishop Ordinary refuses to enforce those, go to your Latin Masses (where you’ve said you feel at home) and/or find a parish where they are worshiping the Lord in a more reverent manner.

Unless you have reason to believe your Pastor will back you on this, leave - It’s just not worth the hassle and heartache.

Your Brother and Servant in Christ, Michael

this reminds of 5th grade. “He did it” “No She did it”. malkin do you believe you were put on the earth to “fix” the church?

 

[Traditional_Ang]

BostonBoy:

Could you please reread your post? And, as you do so, pretend that it’s directed AT YOU??..

I believe Jesus had a word for you HYPOCRITE. You can’t say you are more “holier” then others at this mass because you still use some of the old traditions from days gone by. no one not one of us i don’t care if he was visited last night by Jesus himself is holy. We are all flawed Humans. You are bragging God doesn’t care how many times your at the fatima shrine. Clearly you are one of those snobs who thinks there holier then thou because there butts are so far shoved up their faces they don’t know right from left.

… I’m sure that Malkin is NOT perfect, but he’s said and done nothing that’s merited the hostility you’ve just directed at him.

Meanwhile, this post of yours seems yo have clearly violated the CAF Discussion Form Rules, which I think you should be familiar with since you’ve been posting here for a year.

I’m sure you wouldn’t appreciate being talked to as you’ve talked to Malkin, so what caused you to post this unnecessarily venomous post?

If it’s because you hate his adherence to Tradition, or because you believe that “he’s being reactionary”, you’ve proven his point…

In Christ, Michael

 

[jmcrae]

How would you go about reporting an abuse formally?

Write a very short, excruciatingly polite letter to your Bishop. He will take it from there.

 

[Malkin71]

I believe Jesus had a word for you HYPOCRITE. You can’t say you are more “holier” then others at this mass because you still use some of the old traditions from days gone by. no one not one of us i don’t care if he was visited last night by Jesus himself is holy. We are all flawed Humans. You are bragging God doesn’t care how many times your at the fatima shrine. Clearly you are one of those snobs who thinks there holier then thou because there butts are so far shoved up their faces they don’t know right from left.

Hello,

You do not know me. How can you label me a hypocrite of because of what I wrote? I never said that I am “holier” than others. Was the Blessed Virgin Mary flawed? Saints on earth were more “holy” than others. They could make the dead rise, heal the sick, and make the deaf hear. They were put and suffered more than we could. Please explain what do you mean by “how many times at Fatima shrine”? The other people on this forum are having an intelligent discussion and debate. we may not see eye to eye. You could refrain from personal attacks.

 

[Traditional_Ang]

Malkin:

DO NOT ENGAGE this poster! Repeat, DO NOT ENGAGE!..

Hello,

You do not know me. How can you label me a hypocrite of because of what I wrote? I never said that I am “holier” than others. Was the Blessed Virgin Mary flawed? Saints on earth were more “holy” than others. They could make the dead rise, heal the sick, and make the deaf hear. They were put and suffered more than we could. Please explain what do you mean by “how many times at Fatima shrine”? The other people on this forum are having an intelligent discussion and debate. we may not see eye to eye. You could refrain from personal attacks.

… Leave BostonBoy alone! I think he’s “spoiling for a fight”, so don’t not give him what he wants!

Your Brother in Christ, Michael

 

[Malkin71]

this reminds of 5th grade. “He did it” “No She did it”. malkin do you believe you were put on the earth to “fix” the church?

I do not believe I was put here on earth to “fix” the church. I am just tired of talking to my fellow Catholics current and former who complained to themselves and did nothing about it. I am just tired of seeing the progressives, modernists get thier way. The funny thing about it is I was born during the year that the O.F. Mass was put in place. I have seen how power hungry people in the Parish council take over the parish. Try to question them about the Mass and you will be labeled a troublemaker.

I do not want power in my Parish. I do not want a position in my Parish council. I just want a Mass that is said with respect like they do on E.W.T.N…

 

[Malkin71]

Malkin:

Christ is Risen!

30 years ago, when I was at a LARGE Parish, I actually overwhelmed the sound system singing the “Alleluia” - Man, did I wake people up! This NERVOUS Sri Lankan priest had asked me to do it, in order to distract people for a few minutes, and did it ever work!

This is an important question - How much of what you’ve posted here have you discussed with you NEW Pastor? and, Have you tired to teach some of your fellow Lectors how to annunciate and how to deal with the microphone?..

Another Question - Are you genuflecting, etc. in order to “flaunt your badge of Traditionalism” at Mass? or, Are you doing it “as unto the Lord” and “in order to instruct the brothren”?

I think I made it clear that the Vatican doesn’t allow the Holy Eucharist to be referred to as a “Communal Gathering” - That’s in the GIRM. The GIRM also prohibits us from referring to the Lord’s Body and Blood as a “Communion Meal”. If someone (or a committee) in you parish has elected to purchase or print books that refer to the Holy Eucharist or to the Lord’s Body and Blood in those terms, you really do need to talk to your Pastor. Consistently referring to the Holy Eucharist and to the Lord’s Body and Blood in those terms would cause the lack of reverence and have the effects you’ve reported, and there’s nothing you can do to reverse it short of concerted action by your Pastor.

The one-time substitution with the correct terms isn’t going to even begin to do the job, esp. as you don’t have the authority, and aren’t perceived as having the authority, to do what you’re doing.

I realize you will have some difficult decisions to make if your Pastor decides to do nothing about the lack of reverence towards the Lord’s Body and Blood or about these cockeyed books. But, if you go to him and he either decides not to hear you out or he decides to do nothing, at least you’ll know you that this is a losing cause.

When the seriously popular Pastor of my parish got involved in serious misconduct and was refusing to do most of the duties of a priest while involving himself in a cult, I corresponded with my Bishop and searched for allies (and found 2). As this Pastor had set Brother against Brother and Sister against Sister, I had to try to comfort several members who were really hurting, while reporting details to our Bishop no one should have to report about his Pastor (& hearing details back I can’t repeat here).

Finally, after almost 5 months, he was defrocked and left the Church, but the damage was done, and the congregation hasn’t recovered in since, and, because real reconciliation was always put off, the injuries are still there, just below the surface, and those who needed to learn that no church can allow itself to become factionalized ("see 1 Cor 1:10-15), and that those who disagree with them are still their brothers and sisters in Christ, didn’t learn the lesson.

As I’ve heard of other situations, it was, and still is, a mess.

Your Brother and Servant in Christ, Michael

The reason why I Genuflect is because to show adoration to Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Also, “Every knee shall bend” is another. Not many people Genuflect in Church. Yes. You did make it clear. I was just restating for someone else.

My Pastor has been here awhile. He and I have gotten into some discussions. He well knows of my beliefs and politics. You are right. I should politely bring up my questions for a discussion with him. The reason why I am hesitent is because it might be ignored. But you never know. I have talked to other people about my delima and they too said I should find another parish or go to The Latin Mass. The main reason why I do not go as much is because my parish is just a block away from where I live. I do get nurished there. I do feel like I am at home there as well.