After Jesus's death at the cross, was he still fully human or did he lost that when his human body died?

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Jesus is God, but only became human at his incarnation, before that he was not human. So because God is outside of time it is logical to assume that Jesus was only fully human during his time on Earth, but was not human anymore after his human body died, just like he wasn’t fully human before His body was “created”.
 
Or He forever joined our humanity to his divinity and for all eternity. :cool:
 
Your going to get the same answers as you did in your last post on this subject.
 
You don’t lose your humanness when you become dead; only life. You become a dead human being.

In any case, our LORD made His human self **everlasting **when He walked his HUMAN BODY out of death!

ICXC NIKA!
 
Timi_Celcer said:
Jesus is God, but only became human at his incarnation, before that he was not human. So because God is outside of time it is logical to assume that Jesus was only fully human during his time on Earth, but was not human anymore after his human body died, just like he wasn’t fully human before His body was “created”.
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I understand how you could be confused. After his Incarnation he never lost his humanity. Think of the three people Jesus brought back to life. Where did their humanity go? Man is a composit of body and soul. The soul is the life giving principle of man. When we die our soul lives on but will be reunited to our bodies at Resurrection, and we become whole again.

The same with Lazarus. His soul was separated from his body for four days. Through the power of Christ, his soul was brought back into his body. The same with Jesus. His soul and his Divinity left his body at his death. But three days later his soul and his Divinity were reunited with his body. The difference between the case of Lazarus, and the other people Jesus ( and others in history who have been brought back to life ) brought back to life, and Christ’s Resurrection is that Christ arose in his glorified body, which is what you receive in Communion and is the way Christ will be in Heaven. Lazarus came back to life in his original material state and became a normal human being again.

In heaven we will see Christ as he appeard on earth, except we will be seeing his glorified body, and he will see our glorified bodies. At the same time Christ, in his Divinity, was always united to the Father and the Holy Spirit. In the same way, in Heaven, his Divinity will be united to the Father and the Holy Spirit. But his Divinity will remain united to his glorified body at the same time.

It was a very good question.

Linus2nd
 
Linusthe2nd said:
I understand how you could be confused. After his Incarnation he never lost his humanity. Think of the three people Jesus brought back to life. Where did their humanity go? Man is a composit of body and soul. The soul is the life giving principle of man. When we die our soul lives on but will be reunited to our bodies at Resurrection, and we become whole again.

The same with Lazarus. His soul was separated from his body for four days. Through the power of Christ, his soul was brought back into his body. The same with Jesus. His soul and his Divinity left his body at his death. But three days later his soul and his Divinity were reunited with his body. The difference between the case of Lazarus, and the other people Jesus ( and others in history who have been brought back to life ) brought back to life, and Christ’s Resurrection is that Christ arose in his glorified body, which is what you receive in Communion and is the way Christ will be in Heaven. Lazarus came back to life in his original material state and became a normal human being again.

In heaven we will see Christ as he appeard on earth, except we will be seeing his glorified body, and he will see our glorified bodies. At the same time Christ, in his Divinity, was always united to the Father and the Holy Spirit. In the same way, in Heaven, his Divinity will be united to the Father and the Holy Spirit. But his Divinity will remain united to his glorified body at the same time.

It was a very good question.

Linus2nd
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I just don’t understand how God could still be fully human. God cannot be human. I understand that God was fully human during His time on Earth but i don’t understand how He can be fully human still.
 
Timi_Celcer said:
I just don’t understand how God could still be fully human. God cannot be human. I understand that God was fully human during His time on Earth but i don’t understand how He can be fully human still.
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Because when He regained His human soma, He was once again as human as before the death. One cannot be a human body and not be human. And the resurrectional body lives for ever!

ALLELUIA, ICXC NIKA!
 
1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.
 
Timi_Celcer said:
I just don’t understand how God could still be fully human. God cannot be human. I understand that God was fully human during His time on Earth but i don’t understand how He can be fully human still.
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What is the difficulty of your understanding? If you believe God could be human once, why do you think he cannot be human still? :confused:

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Timi_Celcer said:
I just don’t understand how God could still be fully human. God cannot be human. I understand that God was fully human during His time on Earth but i don’t understand how He can be fully human still.
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Hello timi,
I think your confusion results from not distinguishing the two natures, divine and human, united in the one person of the Son of God who is the second person of the Trinity. The two natures united in the one person of Jesus Christ do not form a third kind of nature as if the human and divine natures of Christ are mixed and thus he would not be truly God and truly man at one and the same time. From all eternity Jesus Christ is God according to his divine nature. At the incarnation, the Son of God assumed a created human nature without losing his divinity. After the crucifiction of Christ, Christ rose from the dead which we celebrate today with the same body in which he died and eventually ascended into heaven. Since his incarnation, the Son of God, the second person of the Trinity, will for all eternity be both truly God and truly man. By assumming a created human nature, Christ did not lose his divine nature he has had from all eternity.
 
Timi_Celcer said:
I just don’t understand how God could still be fully human. God cannot be human. I understand that God was fully human during His time on Earth but i don’t understand how He can be fully human still.
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He is God afterall. I’m just telling you what the Church teaches. You are not expected to " see " it. It is a part of the mystery of the Incarnation. Jesus Christ had a full human nature and a full Divine Nature, united in the Second Person of the Trinity. Why should this change just because his human body experienced death? His human soul and his Divinity were reunited with his body at his Resurrection. This defined Dogma of the Church. But his body at the Resurrection was a Glorified body. And in heaven he will be fully human and fully Divine, just as he was walking the earth. Except now his body will be Glorified, as will ours. You will be able to talk with him directly just as the Disciples did during his life on earth and after his Resurrection.

Again, what do we know about the Eucharist. Christ is present, under the Species, in his Glorified body, his human soul and his Divinity. And as he is in the Eucharist, he is now in heaven. It is all a miracle or miracle after miracle, after miracle.

Linus2nd
 
Timi_Celcer said:
I just don’t understand how God could still be fully human. God cannot be human. I understand that God was fully human during His time on Earth but i don’t understand how He can be fully human still.
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Do you think you will still be fully human after the final resurrection?
We have to wait till the end of the world for our bodies to be resurrected and again united to our soul thus making us once again “fully” human. Jesus body has already been resurrected, so He is already “fully” human. But not human only; He also continues to be truly and fully God also (just as He was during His 33 years on earth).

There are a lot of truths we cannot understand - not just in the realm of the spiritual, but even in our natural world. We know they truly exist, but cannot understand them.
 
GOD, GOD’s WORD (JESUS), GOD’s SPIRIT (Holy Spirit), are all “SPIRITS”, they can take whatever shape and look they want to be. Who are we to restrict them!!!

That also applies to humans in heavens, do you think the person who died at age 90 wants that old body in heaven !!!
 
Sam_777 said:
GOD, GOD’s WORD (JESUS), GOD’s SPIRIT (Holy Spirit), are all “SPIRITS”, they can take whatever shape and look they want to be. Who are we to restrict them!!!

That also applies to humans in heavens, do you think the person who died at age 90 wants that old body in heaven !!!
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You will not have the same body, however, you will have a solid human body; this is intrinsic to humanhood.

We are not pure spirits and never were; we are breathing minds, thinking bodies.

ICXC NIKA.
 
Sam_777 said:
GOD, GOD’s WORD (JESUS), GOD’s SPIRIT (Holy Spirit), are all “SPIRITS”, they can take whatever shape and look they want to be. Who are we to restrict them!!!

That also applies to humans in heavens, do you think the person who died at age 90 wants that old body in heaven !!!
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*“The risen body will be “spiritual,” that is, entirely subject to the needs and wishes of the glorified soul.” *( rosary-center.org/ll43n1.htm )

And, of course the souls of those in heaven will desire only what is in conformity with God’s will. So those 90 year olds can desire a much younger body, and as long as it doesn’t conflict with God’s will, that’s what they’ll have. 🙂

I think that is why those on the road to Emmaus did not recognize Jesus – Jesus desired His body to look different so they wouldn’t recognize Him.
Also, it explains why Mary looks different in various apparitions (black hair sometimes, other times blond; dark eyes sometimes, blue eyes other; …)
 
Timi_Celcer said:
Jesus is God, but only became human at his incarnation, before that he was not human. So because God is outside of time it is logical to assume that Jesus was only fully human during his time on Earth, but was not human anymore after his human body died, just like he wasn’t fully human before His body was “created”.
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Scripture considers Him to be still human because it says there is only one mediator between God and man, the man Jesus.
 
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