After receiving Holy Communion

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46 Q: How long does Jesus Christ abide within us after Holy Communion?

A: After Holy Communion Jesus Christ abides within us by His grace as long as we commit no mortal sin; and He abides within us by His Real Presence until the sacramental species are consumed.

This is in response to a question asked earlier on how long the Real Presence is with us after receiving Holy Communion. Clearly, we do not only have Him for 15 minutes as was stated in the answer. If that we to be true then shouldn’t we be receiving every 15 minutes?

Another quote: Martin Luther admitted the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist. However, he rejected the doctrine of transubstantiation and taught that the glorified Body of Christ is present in the Eucharist along with the bread and wine (consubstantiation); and he restricted the real presence to the moment of receiving Communion.

To say we only have Christ with in us until our stomach is done digesting sounds very Martin Luther to me.
 
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catholicbook.com/AgredaCD/PiusX/psacr-e.htm

46 Q: How long does Jesus Christ abide within us after Holy Communion?

A: After Holy Communion Jesus Christ abides within us by His grace as long as we commit no mortal sin; and He abides within us by His Real Presence until the sacramental species are consumed.

This is in response to a question asked earlier on how long the Real Presence is with us after receiving Holy Communion. Clearly, we do not only have Him for 15 minutes as was stated in the answer. If that we to be true then shouldn’t we be receiving every 15 minutes?

Another quote: Martin Luther admitted the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist. However, he rejected the doctrine of transubstantiation and taught that the glorified Body of Christ is present in the Eucharist along with the bread and wine (consubstantiation); and he restricted the real presence to the moment of receiving Communion.

To say we only have Christ with in us until our stomach is done digesting sounds very Martin Luther to me.
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I think you misunderstand. We DO have Christ in us (we believers) all the time. We have His spiritual presence. What we do not have is the transubstantiated body and blood (the host and consecrated wine, as once the appearance of bread and wine is gone (by the process of digestion in this case) Christ is no longer present in those elements. For example, if a consecrated host is dissolved in water and loses the appearance of bread, it it is no longer Christ’s body, according to the Church. If a particle of a host is too small to be identified as such, it is no longer Christ’s body.

If you eat a piece of meat, for example, once it is digested it is no longer a piece of meat BUT it continues on to provide nourishment for your body, so it is still with you, just not in the form of a piece of meat, but continues to sustain your life.

Christ, when we feed upon Him, continues to provide us life, even after the host and blood are digested. I believe what Martin Luther meant was that the elements do not remain consecrated once the Communion is over, and the leftover bread and wine no longer is the Body and Blood, while Catholics believe it still is, thus we repose the consecrated hosts in the tabernacle, and believe it is still Christ’s Body and Blood. But I don’t think ML meant that Christ left people spiritually after Communion. He was talking about the physical elements. He did not believe the actual substance of the elements changed into the body and Blood of Christ. That is my understanding of it.
 
That is also my understanding. This is the response to The original question: The Church doesn’t mandate a post-Communion fast. You’re free to eat or drink whenever you like after Communion. However, since the time the Real Presence is thought to remain after reception of Communion is about 15 minutes, you might choose to wait that long as a personal devotion.

To me, this is an incomplete answer. I feel the apologist should have been far more clear when answering.
 
Here is the original question: I’ve tried to research this, and even in the Catechism I don’t believe it says exactly for how long Jesus dwells within a soul after taking Communion. This is something I’ve been wondering about lately, and I don’t know if I can’t find anything on this specifically because it might not be known. I know Jesus is inside of us, from the moment we take the Bread, but I don’t know for how long until His presence, in this literal sense, leaves us.
Thank you for any enlightenment.
 
Unless you were to peek into the stomach to see at what point you could no longer identify the appearance as that belonging to bread and wine, this is something we will never know for sure. That’s why they say about fifteen minutes - most people’s stomach acid, and the enzymes in the saliva, will make that small amount of food unrecognizable in a short time. But it depends on each person’s stomach.

(I personally have eaten meals when I was sick, and, shall we say, viewed them again several hours later and they appeared virtually untouched… Which is why my stomach rejected them in the first place.)

Because we are physcial, because we live lives dictated by physical matter, we need something to see and touch and taste, even though it takes an act of the will to believe it’s something other than what we literally see.

We can make the leap from bread to flesh, and wine to blood, but if the priest handed us air, and told us it was Jesus… How do we know we ‘got it?’ We don’t. Even a blessing, spoken with words, placed over us with the sign of the cross, doesn’t transfer anything physcial. Why can’t we get the same degree of Jesus’ presence from a mere blessing? I see the forms of the sacrament as fulfilling our instinctual need for proof. A way to know we did it right - we completed the form, the words, the actions necessary, therefore, we can give rational assent to belief.

If you follow the rules for a reaction, you get the intended reaction. This is true either when mixing chemicals or when receiving/consecrating a sacrament. I think of God acting on the process sort of like a law of physics. He, as master of all universal laws, says that when a validly ordained priest validly consecrates bread and wine (and we know it’s valid if the rules are followed) then the substance changes. He enacted this law, and it always applies. Just like it’s ALWAYS a bad idea to mix ammonia and bleach.

Sorry if I rambled, I just love these sorts of topics. 😃
 
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I think you misunderstand. We DO have Christ in us (we believers) all the time. We have His spiritual presence. What we do not have is the transubstantiated body and blood (the host and consecrated wine, as once the appearance of bread and wine is gone (by the process of digestion in this case) Christ is no longer present in those elements. For example, if a consecrated host is dissolved in water and loses the appearance of bread, it it is no longer Christ’s body, according to the Church. If a particle of a host is too small to be identified as such, it is no longer Christ’s body.

If you eat a piece of meat, for example, once it is digested it is no longer a piece of meat BUT it continues on to provide nourishment for your body, so it is still with you, just not in the form of a piece of meat, but continues to sustain your life.

Christ, when we feed upon Him, continues to provide us life, even after the host and blood are digested. I believe what Martin Luther meant was that the elements do not remain consecrated once the Communion is over, and the leftover bread and wine no longer is the Body and Blood, while Catholics believe it still is, thus we repose the consecrated hosts in the tabernacle, and believe it is still Christ’s Body and Blood. But I don’t think ML meant that Christ left people spiritually after Communion. He was talking about the physical elements. He did not believe the actual substance of the elements changed into the body and Blood of Christ. That is my understanding of it.
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Christ is in atheists as well. God made everybody in his image.
 
shelly5254 said:
That is also my understanding. This is the response to The original question: The Church doesn’t mandate a post-Communion fast. You’re free to eat or drink whenever you like after Communion. However, since the time the Real Presence is thought to remain after reception of Communion is about 15 minutes, you might choose to wait that long as a personal devotion.

To me, this is an incomplete answer. I feel the apologist should have been far more clear when answering.
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I would say it was a complete answer. For it was about Holy Communion - the “Real Presence” of the Eucharist. Not about the Presence of Jesus via the Holy Spirit when one is in the State of Grace.
shelly5254 said:
Here is the original question: I’ve tried to research this, and even in the Catechism I don’t believe it says exactly for how long Jesus dwells within a soul after taking Communion. This is something I’ve been wondering about lately, and I don’t know if I can’t find anything on this specifically because it might not be known. I know Jesus is inside of us, from the moment we take the Bread, but I don’t know for how long until His presence, in this literal sense, leaves us.
Thank you for any enlightenment.
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Yes when we receive Jesus under the appearance of bread - that Sacramental Presence remains for a short time…

Keep in mind the “modes” of presence differ…you were asking about his presence in the Eucharist - body, blood, soul and divinity - that Sacramental Presence is not that same at that of the presence in the baptized person in the State of Grace. But it is indeed a true presence! We remain in Christ and he in us…we are a temple of the Holy Spirit …indeed the Holy Trinity…
 
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