At the beginning of the invitation to prayer. “Pray, Brethren, that our sacrifice may be acceptable…”Hello:
In the Mass, after the Creed the people can sit down, but in which moment they should stand up, when begins the prayer over the gifth or a little later?
Grace be with you.
No, at the end of the priest’s invitation.At the beginning of the invitation to prayer. “Pray, Brethren, that our sacrifice may be acceptable…”
Actually we used to stand after the priest finished his part of the prayer. We now stand as the priest begins the prayer. The celebrant will motion with his hands for everyone to stand as he begins the prayer. Everyone is then standing as he finishes his portion.No, at the end of the priest’s invitation.
The priest says: “Pray, brethren, that our sacrifice may be acceptable to God, the almighty Father.”
The people stand and respond: “May the Lord accept the sacrifice at your hands …”.
The 2002 General Instruction of the Roman Missal (GIRM) is a little unclear:
“43. The faithful should stand … from the invitation, Orate, fratres (Pray, brethren), before the prayer over the offerings …”.
The Order of Mass, in the 2002 Roman Missal is more specific. It has the priest’s words, then the rubric:
“Populus surgit et respondet”.
This means the people stand and respond.
Then it has the words the people say. (From Missale Romanum, Libreria Editrice Vaticana, 2002, ISBN: 8820972719, page 515).
People need some warning before they stand together. At the beginning of the priest’s invitation they have no warning, so it would not work.
What if incense is used? Should the people stand when they are incensed? Should they remain standing after it, while the priest says the invitation, “Pray, brethren”.
Generally the liturgical books give no direction for them to stand at different times if incense is used. The exception is in the Ceremonial of Bishops (Caeremoniale Episcoporum), in describing the Stational Mass of the Diocesan Bishop, n. 149: “… The bishop receives the censer from the deacon and, in the same way as at the beginning of Mass and accompanied by a deacon, incenses the gifts, as well as the altar and the cross. After this, all rise, and a deacon, standing at the side of the altar, incenses the bishop, who stands without the miter, then the concelebrants, then the people.” There are no directions for the people to sit. So a unique feature of the Stational Mass is that all stand when the thurible is passed from the bishop to the deacon.
From the 2002 General Instruction of the Roman Missal (GIRM) approved for the USA, which can be accessed from romanrite.com/girm.html :
“112. … At a Mass celebrated by the Bishop or at which he presides without celebrating the Eucharist, the norms found in the Caeremoniale Episcoporum should be observed.”
Reference: Ceremonial of Bishops, Liturgical Press, 1989, ISBN 0-8146-1818-9, page 56.
Then It should be the reason why I have seen that some people just stand up in this moment.I’ve been in other dioceses (at my grandmother’s funeral mass no less) where everybody but me waited until “We lift them up to the Lord” to stand…
Also in other places, for example:43.The faithful should stand from the beginning of the Entrance chant, or while the priest approaches the altar, until the end of the Collect; for the Alleluia chant before the Gospel; while the Gospel itself is proclaimed; during the Profession of Faith and the Prayer of the Faithful; from the invitation, Orate, fratres (Pray, brethren), before the prayer over the offerings until the end of Mass, except at the places indicated below.
GIRM 1975
- Upon returning to the middle of the altar, the priest, facing the people and extending and then joining his hands, invites the people to pray, saying, Orate, fratres (Pray, brethren). The people rise and make their response: Suscipiat Dominus (May the Lord accept). Then the priest, with hands extended, says the prayer over the offerings. At the end the people make the acclamation, Amen.
- For the sake of uniformity in movement and posture, the people should follow the directions given during the celebration by the deacon, the priest, or another minister. Unless other provision is made, at every Mass the people should stand from the beginning of the entrance song or when the priest enters until the end of the opening prayer or collect; for the singing of the Alleluia before the gospel; while the gospel is proclaimed; during the profession of faith and the general intercessions;** from the prayer over the gifts to the end of the Mass,** except at the places indicated later in this paragraph.
Your priest could make an announcement at the end of Mass one weekend to inform the parishioners. And then your priest could make a simple hand gesture for a week or two (or three) when he says “Pray, brethren…” as a cue for you all to stand.sorry to bump an old thread but at our parish we stand AFTER our response (may the Lord…) that’s how we’ve always done it, however, in our missal it clearly has the prompt to ‘stand’ right between the priest (Pray Brethren) and our response. I’ve always wondered about this which is why I was searching it out. apparently standing in the middle is correct.
So how does one go about getting an entire church conditioned to do it one way, to start doing it differently?