Against the Ropes with Darwin: The Imminent End of Evolution Theory

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Do You Believe in Accidentalism?

by William Rusher
Posted Aug 31, 2005

Some commentators have compared the current argument over whether “intelligent design” merits mention in high school classes on evolution to the famous Scopes “monkey trial” in Tennessee in 1925. They seem to feel that it’s the same old dispute, dolled up in new clothes. They miss the delicious irony that it is, instead, the exact reverse of the Scopes trial.

In Scopes, the central issue was whether the theory of evolution could be put forward in the public schools of Tennessee (the school system subscribed to the belief that human beings were created directly by God). Today, the central issue is whether “intelligent design” may be mentioned in science courses in the public schools of Kansas, Pennsylvania and other states as a modification of the theory of evolution, which today reigns there as the exclusive explanation of the development of species, including our own. The supporters of evolution are as determined to ban all references of intelligent design as Tennessee’s schools were determined to ban all references to the theory of evolution.

Webster’s New World Dictionary defines evolution as “the theory, now generally accepted, that all species of plants and animals developed from earlier forms by hereditary transmission of slight variations in successive generations.” Evolutionists would agree that, for strict accuracy, the word “accidental” should be inserted before the word “variations.” I see this as so important that I suggest we substitute the term “accidentalism” for the word “evolution.” For that is what is at issue in the current debate: whether those slight variations are in fact totally accidental (in which case there is no need to posit the existence of a God, or anything else, to bring them about) or whether they are the product of intelligent design on the part of a pre-existing designer. The whole controversy thus becomes, as I see it, a subset of the larger dispute between those who believe in a God and those who prefer a strictly materialistic, and atheistic, explanation of the universe.

Thanks to the Supreme Court’s wildly imaginative interpretation of the First Amendment, atheism has become the default conviction of American society. Because of the supposed “wall” between church and state, no serious reference to a God may intrude upon the public square. In public schools, children may – indeed, must – be taught the accidentalist theory of humanity’s origins; any notion that God played a part in the process is strictly prohibited.

But the concept of intelligent design presents a new problem, because it doesn’t depend upon the existence of a God, in the ordinary sense of that word, but only suggests that certain steps in the development of species are too complex to have been accidental, but require the pre-existence of some sort of intelligent designer. This modest argument has won the support of some thoroughly respectable scientists.

It has also won the undying enmity of many others, because they recognize the threat it poses to their own unstated but passionate atheism. They have flatly denied that there are any steps in the development of species too complex to be explained as sheer accidents – though there are numerous instances of steps they cannot (“yet”) explain. They have pointed to the failure of intelligent-design proponents to publish their arguments in “respectable peer-reviewed scientific publications” – while fighting doggedly to keep them from being published there.

And, of course, they are battling furiously to keep any mention of intelligent design out of the hearing of the millions of students whom they are systematically drilling in the supposedly unchallengeable theory of accidentalism.

Why, I ask, should reasonable people be so afraid of an intuitively appealing suggestion that a scientific theory may need modifying? They reply that the suggestion itself is not “scientific,” and thus has no place in a class on science. Let it be studied, if at all, in courses on religion.

And let their response be included in courses on logic, as a stellar example of intellectual dishonesty.
 
dts quoting Wm Rusher said:
…… Evolutionists would agree that, for strict accuracy, the word “accidental” should be inserted before the word “variations.”

oh come on, I’ve never heard anyone say that. He’s making that up for semantic/propaganda purposes.
Variation as used in that definition doesn’t need any qualifiers. it is what it is…variation. It is the product of well understood natural processes not accidents.
dts quoting Wm Rusher:
……Thanks to the Supreme Court’s wildly imaginative interpretation of the First Amendment, atheism has become the default conviction of American society.
so we know where this guy is coming from. this is a political editorial and not a scientific opinion
dts quoting Wm Rusher:
……But the concept of intelligent design presents a new problem, because it doesn’t depend upon the existence of a God, in the ordinary sense of that word, but only suggests that certain steps in the development of species are too complex to have been accidental, but require the pre-existence of some sort of intelligent designer.
:confused:
well…if the “designer” isn’t God then what is it?
You can’t have it both ways. either it is a natural phenomenom that can be measured and understood or it is supernatural.

dts quoting Wm Rusher said:
….It has also won the undying enmity of many others, because they recognize the threat it poses to their own unstated but passionate atheism.

I find that offensive. I am no atheist. I oppose ID being taught in science class it because it is an erosion of both the Bill of Rights and the scientific method.
dts quoting Wm Rusher:
They have flatly denied that there are any steps in the development of species too complex to be explained as sheer accidents – though there are numerous instances of steps they cannot (“yet”) explain.
Common old false dilemma “if there is one part of A that can’t be fully explained then B must be true. Same old stuff over and over again. Arguments from incredulity are very weak to start with. Perhaps we object to the statement that some steps are too complex because no one has provided an example of such a step.
dts quoting Wm Rusher:
… They have pointed to the failure of intelligent-design proponents to publish their arguments in “respectable peer-reviewed scientific publications” – while fighting doggedly to keep them from being published there.
Oh now there is a clever argument. Those evil scientists must have all conspired to keep his stuff out of the literature. It couldn’t possibly have anything to do with the fact that it was bad science.
dts quoting Wm Rusher:
….Why, I ask, should reasonable people be so afraid of an intuitively appealing suggestion that a scientific theory may need modifying?
Afraid? Theories get modified all the time. No one is afraid of modifying a theory. But choosing a modification simply because it is intuitively appealing is wrong. You modify a theory when the alternative is consistent with the preponderance of the evidence not because you happen to like the answer.
After all, much of science isn’t intuitively appealing and defies common sense. Our senses tell us that the earth is flat and that the sun moves over head while we sit still. Appealing…but wrong.
If the answers in science were obvious and easy then we wouldn’t need people spending their lives doing research
dts quoting Wm Rusher:
…….And let their response be included in courses on logic, as a stellar example of intellectual dishonesty.
tough talk from a guy who’s article included several logical fallacies
once agian an article from a guy with a vague list of complaints but no specific arguements or facts
It seems George Will was right;)
 
It is possible to say that the evolutionary process is not random. It is also possible to say that the evolutionary process is apparently random (ie. as far as current empirical methods can determine it is random).

However, if the evolutionary process is described as being the product of random mutations, it would seem that is the same as saying it is accidental.

By definition, randomness excludes design. Exclusion of design is exclusion of God.

Am I missing something?
 
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dts:
It is possible to say that the evolutionary process is not random. It is also possible to say that the evolutionary process is apparently random (ie. as far as current empirical methods can determine it is random).

However, if the evolutionary process is described as being the product of random mutations, it would seem that is the same as saying it is accidental.

By definition, randomness excludes design. Exclusion of design is exclusion of God.

Am I missing something?
no, i don’t think you are.
 
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dts:
It is possible to say that the evolutionary process is not random. It is also possible to say that the evolutionary process is apparently random (ie. as far as current empirical methods can determine it is random).

However, if the evolutionary process is described as being the product of random mutations, it would seem that is the same as saying it is accidental.

By definition, randomness excludes design. Exclusion of design is exclusion of God.

Am I missing something?
Yes you are missing something. Random Mutations are indeed random with respect to their effect on the organism which carries them. Natural Selection is very definitely non-random.

Think of an eagle with a mutation that makes it blind. This eagle is not going to survive very long and is not going to produce many (if any) offspring to carry that mutation forward. That is certainly not a random result; a blind eagle in the wild has a very short life expectancy once it leaves the nest.

Natural Selection is not a random process; it acts as a filter to weed out or reduce deleterious mutations and to increase beneficial mutations. This mindless process repeated over many generations can produce results that appear to have been designed. The problem I have with ID is that it has so far been unable to show with any scientific rigour that this appearance of design is indicative of actual design.

There are enough of examples of real-world design using Random Mutation and Natural Selection on a computer to show that these two processes working together are capable of solving many different types of problem. See here for some examples.

If ID is going to replace Darwinism then it is going to have to come up with something better than “It sure looks designed to me,” which is all that it seems to have so far.

rossum
 
Might be of interest to this following this thread:

Cardinal Ratzinger’s Thoughts on Evolution

An Excerpt From "Truth and Tolerance"


ROME, SEPT. 1, 2005 (Zenit.org).- Cardinal Christoph Schönborn’s July 7 editorial in the New York Times entitled “Finding Design in Nature” provoked a flurry of reactions, both supportive and critical.

Requests have begun to arrive in Rome for Benedict XVI to make some sort of clarification on the Church’s stand regarding evolution.

The following text, delivered in 1999 as part of a lecture at the Sorbonne in Paris by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger (the future Benedict XVI) and subsequently published in the 2004 book “Truth and Tolerance” (Ignatius), can give some clue as to the Holy Father’s thoughts on the question. The length of the paragraphs was adapted here slightly for easier reading.

(Follow the Zenit link above for more)
 
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rossum:
Yes you are missing something. Random Mutations are indeed random with respect to their effect on the organism which carries them. Natural Selection is very definitely non-random.
sure, but neo-darwinian evolution proposes both natural selection and random mutation as the sine qua non of common descent with variation…

the point dts is making is that some posters here maintain that it is possible to teach the theory of evolution in the science classroom in a manner that is not inimical to catholic christian theology; but if the theory requires that the source of all genetic variation is ultimately random - read: arbitrary or accidental (i.e. non-purposive) - mutations, then what room does that leave for god?

if you believe in so-called “theistic” evolution, where god is the ultimate cause and guide of genetic variation, then that’s all well and good, but to the extent that this is so, the mutations are precisely non-random

so what do you tell your students?
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rossum:
If ID is going to replace Darwinism then it is going to have to come up with something better than “It sure looks designed to me,” which is all that it seems to have so far.

rossum
why? at its heart, that’s all ID is: the observation that intelligent design is at least one plausible implication of the available empirical evidence.
 
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rossum:
Y

If ID is going to replace Darwinism then it is going to have to come up with something better than “It sure looks designed to me,” which is all that it seems to have so far.

rossum
I believe that is exactly what they are working on.
 
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Forest-Pine:
Might be of interest to this following this thread:

Cardinal Ratzinger’s Thoughts on Evolution

An Excerpt From "Truth and Tolerance"


ROME, SEPT. 1, 2005 (Zenit.org).-

(Follow the Zenit link above for more)
Thank you very much. It is appropriate to pull at least part of the quote:

ROME, SEPT. 1, 2005 (Zenit.org).- Cardinal Christoph Schönborn’s July 7 editorial in the New York Times entitled “Finding Design in Nature” provoked a flurry of reactions, both supportive and critical.

Requests have begun to arrive in Rome for Benedict XVI to make some sort of clarification on the Church’s stand regarding evolution.

The following text, delivered in 1999 as part of a lecture at the Sorbonne in Paris by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger (the future Benedict XVI) and subsequently published in the 2004 book “Truth and Tolerance” (Ignatius), can give some clue as to the Holy Father’s thoughts on the question. The length of the paragraphs was adapted here slightly for easier reading.

The separation of physics from metaphysics achieved by Christian thinking is being steadily canceled. Everything is to become “physics” again. The theory of evolution has increasingly emerged as the way to make metaphysics disappear, to make “the hypothesis of God” (Laplace) superfluous, and to formulate a strictly “scientific” explanation of the world. A comprehensive theory of evolution, intended to explain the whole of reality, has become a kind of “first philosophy,” which represents, as it were, the true foundation for an enlightened understanding of the world. Any attempt to involve any basic elements other than those worked out within the terms of such a “positive” theory, any attempt at “metaphysics,” necessarily appears as a relapse from the standards of enlightenment, as abandoning the universal claims of science.

Thus the Christian idea of God is necessarily regarded as unscientific. There is no longer any “theologia physica” that corresponds to it: in this view, the doctrine of evolution is the only “theologia naturalis,” and that knows of no God, either a creator in the Christian (or Jewish or Islamic) sense or a world-soul or moving spirit in the Stoic sense. One could, at any rate, regard this whole world as mere appearance and nothingness as the true reality and, thus, justify some forms of mystical religion, which are at least not in direct competition with enlightenment.

Has the last word been spoken? Have Christianity and reason permanently parted company? [continued. . . . ]
 
john doran:
but if the theory requires that the source of all genetic variation is ultimately random - read: arbitrary or accidental (i.e. non-purposive) - mutations, then what room does that leave for god?
Note that I said " Random Mutations are indeed random with respect to their effect on the organism which carries them." The “with respect to their effect” is important. Mutations themselves are not always random. For example certain places in some genes are more likely to mutate than others due to the way DNA folds itself up. Some base replcements are chemically more likely than others. If we had an infinitely accurate telescope we could in principle trace a cosmic ray down and predict the mutation it would make in the piece of DNA it hits. This is not “ultimately random”.

What is random is the effect these changes have on the organism. The cosmic ray does not “know” that it has to zig in order to give the organism black spots or zag in order to give it shorter tentacles. It certainly does not “know” whether shorter tentacles will be an advantage or a disadvantage since that depends on the environment.

For a theistic evolutionist God can make the cosmic ray zig rather than zag should He wish to do so. For a scientist the actions of God are outside the universe of discourse - this is part of the definition of science.
john doran:
so what do you tell your students?
When I was a teacher I taught Maths and Physics, not Biology. This was in England so there was a separate Religious Studies lesson to deal with questions about God. Science lessons did not deal with God but with science. Since I was then and still am a Buddhist any explanation I would have given of God would probably not have conformed to Catholic doctrine anyway.
john doran:
why? at its heart, that’s all ID is: the observation that intelligent design is at least one plausible implication of the available empirical evidence.
Science is not about plausible explanations. Science is about the best available explanation for the currently available data. Two hundred years ago Creationism was the best explanation of the then available data. After Darwin evolution became a better explanation. With the “Modern Synthesis” - the merging of Darwinian Evolution and Mendelian Genetics - evolution became an even better explanation of the greatly expanded amount of data available.
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buffalo:
I believe that is exactly what they are working on.
Good. When they are finished we can see if ID does indeed provide a better explanation. However, at the moment the best that ID can do is “coming real soon now”, which does not hack it in science and would be extremely difficult to teach in a classroom.

rossum
 
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