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You are being difficult for some reason, Patrick.

What do you think of the argument for a late crucifixion date?

I value your opinion.
 
You are being difficult for some reason, Patrick.

What do you think of the argument for a late crucifixion date?

I value your opinion.
If that is being ‘difficult’, I don’t know what is. 😉
But seriously, you should have some reason. Care to give it?
 
Which begs the question: why do people assume that Luke had to mention the two events? Isn’t this some kind of argument from silence?

What if, they were omitted simply because the author thought they’re not really relevant to the main plot of the work?
Well the Book of Acts mentions the martyrdom of the Apostle James, and the martyrdom of Stephen. It seems extremely unlikely that it would exclude the martyrdom of the two most prominent Apostles and Christians.

Yes, it is somewhat an argument from silence, but when the events are monumental, and hold directly to the two biggest “characters” in the book, it makes sense to question why it wasn’t mentioned.
 
Well the Book of Acts mentions the martyrdom of the Apostle James, and the martyrdom of Stephen. It seems extremely unlikely that it would exclude the martyrdom of the two most prominent Apostles and Christians.

Yes, it is somewhat an argument from silence, but when the events are monumental, and hold directly to the two biggest “characters” in the book, it makes sense to question why it wasn’t mentioned.
But if you consider Luke and Acts as Parts One and Two of a single book, which is one way of looking at it, then the “biggest character in the book” is neither Peter nor Paul but Jesus.
 
I don’t think the point needs to be argued.

Unless…

What if there is a THIRD book that Luke wrote that has been lost?

The Gospel and Acts were broken up because of considerations of size in the standard scrolls of the day.

And wasn’t the fashion to have plays written in three acts?
 
But if you consider Luke and Acts as Parts One and Two of a single book, which is one way of looking at it, then the “biggest character in the book” is neither Peter nor Paul but Jesus.
Yeah, but if you consider them as one big book, you still must acknowledge that Peter and Paul are the primary characters in the second half of the book.
 
I don’t think the point needs to be argued.

Unless…

What if there is a THIRD book that Luke wrote that has been lost?

The Gospel and Acts were broken up because of considerations of size in the standard scrolls of the day.

And wasn’t the fashion to have plays written in three acts?
That’s possible, but losing a book such as THAT?!?! One that details the martyrdom of Peter and Paul, the destruction of Jerusalem, the next Popes, and other great events in Church history?

All for the Church to just lose it? Seems quite far-fetched compared to how diligent the Church is in preserving the other writings of the New Testament and other writings from that time.
 
It would have been lost during the persecutions of Nero and the mayhem that followed.

Or something as benign as the third volume was misplaced while someone was cleaning and tossed out with the trash.

I think it deserves a History Channel show- how about you?
 
Crown of Stars

There are scholars who will challenge just about any date that other scholars put forward for the events in the life of Jesus, from his birth to his Crucifixion, including his baptism and the duration of his ministry. There are really only two things that can be said with virtual certainty:
  1. Herod the Great died in April, 4 BC. Jesus was born shortly before that date, though “shortly” may mean anything from a few months to a few years.
  2. The date of the Crucifixion was either April 7, AD 30, or April 3, AD 33.
It is highly probable that Herod died in 1BC or 1AD see johnpratt.com/items/docs/herod/herod.html
Because Peter refers to the sun being darkened and the moon turned to blood as an event that they all witnessed Acts 2:20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come: this limits it to Friday April 3 AD 33 Julian when the moon rose eclipsed on the horizon where the atmosphere greatly reddens the eclipsed moon. The moon did not eclipse at passover in AD 30.
Grace and peace,
Bruce
 
Well the Book of Acts mentions the martyrdom of the Apostle James, and the martyrdom of Stephen. It seems extremely unlikely that it would exclude the martyrdom of the two most prominent Apostles and Christians.

Yes, it is somewhat an argument from silence, but when the events are monumental, and hold directly to the two biggest “characters” in the book, it makes sense to question why it wasn’t mentioned.
I’m quoting from Sean A. Adams’ The Genre of Acts and Collected Biography (chapter 6 ‘Peter, Paul and the ending of Acts’, pp. 242-3, most footnotes omitted):

In the discussions regarding the closing of Acts mentioned above, commentators question the ending because it leaves unfinished much of the Pauline narrative. This is exemplified by [Ben] Witherington’s assertion, '‘If Acts is biography, it would seem clearly to be an unfinished work, for the audience is left suspended in midair, waiting to hear about the fate of the hero of the last half of the book.’ (159: Witherington, Acts, 808.) This statement is interesting in that it presupposes that the conclusion of Paul’s life is foundationally important in biographical traditions. Though it is true that in individual biographies the death of the main character is one of the most important features, this is not the case for collected biographies.

Acts is not an individual biography in which all of the formal features of a life are required. Rather, the portrayal of Paul is embedded within a larger narrative and literary work in which the gospel of Jesus is the most important feature, not the individual disciples. Though the focus on Paul is an important component of the Acts narrative - particularly in light of the amount of storyline it entails - an emphasis on a single disciple is not the focus of collected succession biographies. On the contrary, the disciples are only important due to their fidelity to the message of the founder, for it is the message that is paramount.

The death of a disciple was not a requisite feature of collected biographies, and so Paul’s death could be unproblematically omitted. The omission of Paul’s death parallels that of Peter, the other main character in Acts, and further supports the idea that Luke intentionally left out this detail. The symmetry in the handling of these two characters, concluding their narrative as they are continuing their ministry, parallels the treatment of disciples in collected biographies and focuses the narrative on the teacher and his teaching.

It is possible, moreover, that Paul was becoming too large a character, and so a fully detailed trial and death would have detracted from the reader’s focus on the gospel message and would have shifted it to the person of Paul. Furthermore, Acts is not a martyrology of Paul and does not require his death: ‘[Luke] did not see it as his task to enhance devotion to the martyrs’. (162: Haenchen, Acts of the Apostles, 732.) Paul, in being a faithful minister and preacher, had already done his important work by bringing the gospel to the gentiles. True, Paul’s appearance before Caesar (if it happened at all) would have been interesting, even inspiring, but it would have possible risked creating too many parallels between Paul and Jesus. In fact there is a strong possibility that Paul’s trial in Rome before Caesar might have overshadowed that of Jesus, who was only judged by a minor administrator in a troubled province. Further, as there would not have been the miraculous resurrection for Paul than there was for Jesus, the conclusion of Acts would have presented a vastly different feeling and perspective of the early church and thus a different message to its readers.
 
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Consequently, it was important for Luke to turn the focus of the narrative away from Paul and his upcoming peril and towards the message Paul was preaching. As a result, Acts 28.30-1 presents Paul in relative safety ‘preaching the kingdom of God and teaching the things concerning the Lord Jesus Christ with all boldness, unhindered’ (κηρύσσων τὴν βασιλείαν τοῦ θεοῦ καὶ διδάσκων τὰ περὶ τοῦ κυρίου Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ μετὰ πάσης παρρησίας ἀκωλύτως). The abrupt ending and the mention of the message and ‘the things concerning the Lord Jesus Christ’ (τὰ περὶ τοῦ κυρίου Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ) refer the reader back to the beginning of the narrative (1.1). By not providing a neatly tied ending, the reader is forced back into the narrative to find the details he or she desires. (164: Brosend, in describing the looping effect which connects the ending of Acts with the beginning of Luke, supplies the image of a snake eating its own tail, or the complementary image of having the reader snaking back through the text to the beginning. Brosend, ‘The Means of Absent Ends’, 362. Making use of the literary and rhetorical technique of silent endings, Luke was able to subtly disclose to his readers pertinent ideas about Paul’s trial without compromising the integrity of the collected biography narrative.) In addition to this, the author may have assumed that he and his readers had a shared knowledge pool and knew Paul’s fate, and so could count on them to know how Paul’s story ends.

Similarly, there are many linguistic parallels with the beginning of Acts. For example, there is effectively an inclusio of ‘teach’ (διδάσκειν) in Acts 1.1 (of Jesus) and 28.31 (of Paul). Likewise, the references to the kingdom of God in Luke 1.2, Acts 1.3, 28.23, and 31 serve to highlight this theme in Luke and Acts and to reiterate its fundamental place of importance. Ultimately, the ending of Acts refocuses the reader on the preaching of the kingdom of God, emphasising the fact that it is the message not the messenger that is of the utmost importance.

That the work has this open ending is also an important characteristic of succession biographies in that it facilitates the understanding the message is not limited to the confines of the narrative. In the case of Acts, the message continues in the lives of the readers and other Christian disciples. Also, that pertinent details of Paul’s death and other events of the early church (such as the death of Peter) were omitted from Acts shifts the responsibility of narrative from Luke to his informed readers, who are now engaged to share the message with others.
 
Thanks for sharing but these theories are pretty “out there.”

Luke of Macedon was a Greek and an educated man. He saw his share of Greek plays and should have been familiar with all of the Philosophy of the times.

For him to intentionally leave a “dangle” such as is the case for ACTS is not reasonable.

He would have crafted something along the lines of the Gospel of John or the original unappended Mark.

Common things occur commonly. Sometimes the obvious is correct. We watch too many crime shows where Zebras are all over the place- in real life the culprit is usually obvious.

Acts was either altered, or Luke lost control of the document, or he was unable to finish it for some reason.
 
It never dawned on me to wonder. Odd how things just come into my mind, when I should have thought of them long ago… But I don’t remember Scripture ever stating clearly Jesus’s age. Is His age of 33 only speculated or estimated, just like His true birthdate (and possibly death date) are?
I know that Private revelations says Jesus was Born exactly at midnight 25 December.
themostholyrosary.com/mystical-city.htm
 
…But our Lord’s mission ended when he was 33, IMHO.
Yes, our Lord was 33 when He died. 👍

(Not to go off topic but St. Faustina, a Polish nun, whom Jesus appeared to and dictated the Divine Mercy Chaplet and Novena to, died when she was 33, the same age as our Lord was. I just wanted to add this.)
 
Jesus died nearing the end of His 33 year from His conception, but He was only 32 years old when He died.The sun was darkened and the moon to blood at Jesus birth and at His death. His birth was on the winter solstice at Midnight on Sunday December 25, 1 BC. The sun was darkened because it was the solstice and it was midnight. four days later (the closest that am eclipse can approach the solstice without being visible at midnight on the solstice. The moon was eclipsed on the horizon (so extinction would make it more red). And on the day He died as a previously noted the sun was darkened and the moon blood both as Joel 2:31 prophesied before His presence. Jesus was conceived 8.5 months earlier (human gestation period) On Passover April 6, 1BC Julian as Mary kept the watch of passover. So His death on the Jewish calendar on the eve of Passover April 3, AD 33 was just 9 hours before His 33 birthday counting from His conception (and incarnation).
Grace and peace,
Bruce
 
The last year that the crucifixion could have occurred is 36 AD because that is the last year that Pilate was in Palestine for Passover.

Jesus could have been born as early as 6 AD occurring to Matthew. The Gospel of John hints that Jesus was over 40.

Luke picked 6 AD [as suggested by the mention of the census]. He implies Jesus was about 30 which places the crucifixion in 35 or 36 AD
 
Age 33 is considered the “full moon” of life, the time when a human is at his peak, physically and mentally. After this peak age is the slide into old age. Jesus was at his peak of existence when he died for our sins.
 
Age 33 is considered the “full moon” of life, the time when a human is at his peak, physically and mentally. After this peak age is the slide into old age. Jesus was at his peak of existence when he died for our sins.
Out of all mysteries about Jesus, his age would have been the easiest figure out by the early church.🙂
 
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